Scientists Find Water Vapor, Key Nutrients in Mars Soil...

pandabear

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Alkaline Soil Sample From Mars Reveals Presence of Nutrients for Plants to Grow
By KENNETH CHANG
Published: June 27, 2008
Stick an asparagus plant in a pot full of Martian soil, and the asparagus might grow happily, scientists announced Thursday.
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The Phoenix lander’s scoop gathers samples of the Martian soil for analysis. The image was enhanced to brighten the scene.

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An experiment on the Phoenix Mars lander showed the dirt on the planet’s northern arctic plains to be alkaline, though not strongly alkaline, and full of the mineral nutrients that a plant would need.
“We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life whether past, present or future,” said Samuel P. Kounaves of Tufts University, who is leading the chemical analysis, during a telephone news conference on Thursday. “The sort of soil you have there is the type of soil you’d probably have in your backyard.”
Mars today is cold and dry, and the surface is bombarded by ultraviolet radiation, making life unlikely, but conditions could have made the planet more habitable in the past. Plants that like alkaline soil — like asparagus — might readily grow in the Martian soil, provided that other components of an Earth-like environment including air and water were also present.
The preliminary findings from Phoenix do not answer whether life ever existed on Mars (or might still exist somewhere underground), only that conditions, at least at this location, are not the harshest imaginable. The soil, taken close to the surface, was similar to what is found in parts of Antarctica, Dr. Kounaves said. The soil elsewhere on the planet could well be very different; even the soil farther down in the ground could turn out to be acidic or otherwise vary in composition.
The Phoenix is capable of performing the same chemical analysis on three more samples.
In a different experiment, a tiny oven heated another sample of the Martian soil to 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit, which released water vapor. “This soil clearly has interacted with water in the past,” said William V. Boynton of the University of Arizona, the lead scientist in this experiment.
Dr. Boynton said he could not say when the liquid water was present or even where it was. The moisture might have come from dust particles that had blown there from other parts of Mars. “At this point, it is difficult to quantify what was given off,” he said.
The oven experiment also found carbon dioxide vapors, not surprising because the planet’s thin atmosphere is primarily carbon dioxide. The data have not revealed any carbon-based compounds.
The Phoenix mission is not directly looking for life on Mars, but rather whether conditions for habitability ever existed. In the wet chemistry experiment, water was mixed into the soil to produce Martian mud. Then the apparatus performed the same sorts of tests that gardeners use to test the condition of their soil.
The pH level was between 8 and 9, Dr. Kounaves said. The pH, or potential of hydrogen, reflects the concentration of hydrogen ions, or acidity, of a substance and usually varies between 0 and 14, with 7 considered neutral. (The water of Earth’s oceans, for comparison, has a pH of 8.2.) The experiment also found the presence of magnesium, sodium, potassium and chloride ions in the soil.
“There’s nothing about it that would preclude life,” Dr. Kounaves said. “In fact, it seems very friendly.”
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Mars Phoenix lander finds soil similar to that in backyards on Earth

By Alicia Chang
Associated Press
Article Launched: 06/26/2008 02:43:31 PM PDT




The Phoenix lander's first taste test of soil near Mars' north pole reveals a briny environment similar to what can be found in backyards on Earth, scientists said today in Los Angeles.
The finding raises hope that the Martian arctic plains could have conditions favorable for primitive life. Phoenix landed a month ago to study the habitability of Mars' northern latitudes.
"There's nothing about it that would preclude life. In fact, it seems very friendly," mission scientist Samuel Kounaves of Tufts University said of the soil. "There's nothing about it that's toxic."
Phoenix so far has not detected organic carbon considered an essential building block of life. Last week, the lander found evidence of ice below the soil. Scientists generally agree that liquid water, a stable energy source and organic, or carbon-containing, compounds are required for a habitable zone.
The latest experiment was designed to test for minerals that do not have carbon in them. Earlier this week, Phoenix's 8-foot-long robotic arm delivered a pinch of dirt to its onboard lab.
Like a chemist, the spacecraft mixed the soil with water brought from Earth into a beaker the size of a teacup and stirred it. Sensors inside the beaker detect the soil's pH and probe for traces of the nutrients. Preliminary results showed the soil had a pH between 8 and 9, researchers said. A pH less than 7 means the solution is acidic, while a pH over 7 means it is salty. Phoenix also detected
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the presence of magnesium, sodium, potassium and chloride in the mixture.
"It's typical of the soil here on Earth minus the organics," Kounaves said during a teleconference from Tucson, Ariz.
On Earth, asparagus, green beans and turnips could be planted in such an environment and chemical-loving bacteria would thrive there, he said.
Scientists said another experiment that heated the soil to high temperatures and sniffed the gas found traces of water vapor.
"This soil clearly has interacted with water in the past," said William Boynton of the University of Arizona, Tucson.
The heating experiment, which was designed to look for organics, did not yield conclusive evidence of carbon. Scientists planned to study another soil sample taken from further below the surface. ---
 

DWR

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does look like soil doesnt it, those balls.... just a typical sign of earth, mud whatever it is... looks the same as soil
 

Robert520

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noones going to live on mars why the fuck are we wasting money trying to find some mud on it , by the time we get people on mars global warming will have already killed us all.
 

pandabear

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they wanna find a primitive form of life on mars or fossil eveidence on mars so they can finally prove that Alians exist

once they prove that it will be the biggest discovery since they figured out the earth was round:blsmoke:
 

DWR

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Dude when i was 8 years old i said aliens fuck'd the apes..

and then 8 years later this dude opens a park up and has the same beliefs ! Hey and i got kick'd out of religion cuz i asked * Where did god come from ? * She couldnt answer me... Cuz i said where did the creator of god come from ?

so fuck off !

I want my alien homies at my side.. im sure the use of lsd help'd me transmit some signal to them... help ^^ hahaha... peace aliens


;)
 

hyphyjoose

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people don't believe shit that nasa does because they're all conspiracy theorist fucktards.

space exploration is so fucking awesome. it is totally instinctive and mesmerizing. ever lay on your back and star gaze on a clear night? tell me that you don't feel like you're staring back at home.

as crazy as i sound, we are one with the stars and vice versa. shit that's scientific fact too, the chemicals that make up stars also comprise our physiological structure..the hydrogen that's been around since the big bang is in our bodies, as well as other compounds...

space exploration ftw.
 

NYCJB

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NASA will say whatever they want the world to think, and people will eat it up because they don't know any better. It's all lies.
 

pandabear

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im sorry guys but NASA cant hide space i mean are actuallty saying they can hide the universe? from us millions of researches with huge telescopes are housed all over the world, government funded as well as privately funded.

If a major discovery was made there is no way to keep a lid on it and even if they did, and no one else in the world saw it, the people who have the secrets at NASA are the most enthusiastic space interested guys on earth no way they would keep anything secret unless it would harm us if told. that shit would leak out
 

hyphyjoose

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NASA will say whatever they want the world to think, and people will eat it up because they don't know any better. It's all lies.
You're an idiot. Why don't you try looking through a telescope? O wait I suppose space is really just a hyper-technologically designed veil of 3d goodness blanketed around the globe. And the earth is flat.

Ever looked through a spectrometer? Actually taken an advanced astronomy course? Or actually done any sort of astronomical/space exploration related research on the internet?

You'd be amazed.

Don't turn this into another bullshit lunar landing thread please. Thx.
 

SocataSmoker

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No shit eh? I knew there would be signs of life just from the canyon picture I posted a few weeks ago in another thread where over the years water has worn at the rock much like the Grand Canyon. Except the canyon on mars is MUCH bigger than our own canyon. Water means life in just about every circumstance.
 

pandabear

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ok heres a thought surely its off topic

but would anyone here do Barak Obama in the ass for the cuase if he said he would legalize weed if you put it in there?:mrgreen:

how dedicated are you guys anyways:blsmoke:

 

goatamineHcL

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noones going to live on mars why the fuck are we wasting money trying to find some mud on it , by the time we get people on mars global warming will have already killed us all.

because if they fibnd microbiallife or anything that is huge it is undeniable proof of life outside our planet how can you not see that

thats the kind of find that could shake every religion to its knees its amazing i hope they find some this is awsome news though thanks for posting i was wondering if they found anything yet
 
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