Scientific improvement on yield and potency

fdd2blk said:

people, it's all genetics. you can't make a short man tall. but he can marry a tall chick and have tall babies.

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genetics are only the instructions. we're here to give figure out what are the best tools for the job.

wafflehouselover said:

what makes trichomes production? How can we induce the plant to produce more tri?

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while fdd is right you can do some things that will make more trichomes. your not going to take a plant with 2% THC into a monster 50% superuberdooper skunk, but you can make some better by useing more UV rays. there was a study done way back on the effects of plants of the same strain grow in different places around the world. the plants closer to the equator or at high altitude had a higher THC content. because those 2 places have more UV rays than most.
the resin (THC) is the plants way of fighting of the UV rays. it keeps the seeds (or lack of there of) from getting cooked by the sun.
other than that 1 study i havent been able to find much on the subject, so it may all be a load of poo. but it does make since to me that it "could" work. how much better it could be or how much extra UV rays you could add without toasting your plants i dont know.

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if any1 has any more info on this i would love to see it. P.M. me please

i do feel like a copycat now and it's kinda depressing.

th3bigbad said:

while fdd is right you can do some things that will make more trichomes. your not going to take a plant with 2% THC into a monster 50% superuberdooper skunk, but you can make some better by useing more UV rays. there was a study done way back on the effects of plants of the same strain grow in different places around the world. the plants closer to the equator or at high altitude had a higher THC content. because those 2 places have more UV rays than most.
the resin (THC) is the plants way of fighting of the UV rays. it keeps the seeds (or lack of there of) from getting cooked by the sun.
other than that 1 study i havent been able to find much on the subject, so it may all be a load of poo. but it does make since to me that it "could" work. how much better it could be or how much extra UV rays you could add without toasting your plants i dont know.

P.S.
if any1 has any more info on this i would love to see it. P.M. me please

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awsome dude, that makes more sense then the crap people say about lowering the humidity will trick the plant into producing more tric.

fdd2blk said:

people, it's all genetics. you can't make a short man tall. but he can marry a tall chick and have tall babies.

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You can make a skinny guy/girl stronger, just weird side effects like a bigger head and smaller....ummm....manhood. All you gotta do is just stick a needle in his/her butt. We have HGH, they just need to make MGH.

please don't let this thread get off topic; It is common sense you can not wave your magic wand and turn schwag into high quality 30% thc bud.... however you can maximize the potential of a given strain using the proper lighting, nutrients and care simulating the optimal environment for that strain.

Yes, genetics plays a major role however there are a shit ton of other influences and if you tell me there aren't you are a hypocrite with your 400w-1000w hps lights,hydroponic systems, mylar sheeting/flat white painted walls, nutrient mixtures, tds calibrations, ph meters, and whatever else the fuck you have. You are trying to optimize the growing environment for the plant. Even if you have optimized to a 99% efficiency(I would guarantee anyone here is probably not over 80-85% because of what is currently still unknown) then you still have that 1% chance of improving the plant's environment. That is the reason for this post and my OFFER to help both for my own benefit and everyone else's here.

If you don't care to improve your baby's don't worry about this thread and ignore it. For those of you that do I will not conduct most experiments for you as I do not have the time/resources, however what I will do is interpret your results and help you run the experiment with proper procedure so we can determine as much as we can about this beautiful plant.


-pot

ps: on a sidenote to bigbad I purchased some reptile lights and will eventually experiments with and without them but my space is limited at this moment to do it all at once. I will post my results and run regressions as well as hypothesis testing with various questions relating to the claim that they can improve resin production in plants. I really found one or two studies I read fascinating so I wish to test the validity myself with a 5% level of significance to know if it really does work.

pss: wafflehouse the theory that has been going around goes something like this:
The sun emits a few classes of Ultraviolet rays
UVA: the bulk of what we get from the sun
UVB: highly toxic to humans and somewhat to plants
UVC: absorbed by ozone layer

UVB rays seem to be more apparent in different parts of the world- it just so happens in these parts of the world is where some of the best marijuana is grown outdoors.

Supposedly marijuana produces more thc as a defense mechanism to deal with the stress of the uvb radiation

that is a basic rundown as my understanding on it is limited
you can google uvb marijuana
or watch this

the reason i asked this is because i got 2 plants that i took clones from and one plant produced alot of resin and the other one didn't. I know its different phenotype but i was wondaring if theres something i can do about it.

yours was a very valid question wafflehouse and I would be glad to work with you on an experiment and translate the data in real delta(change) percentages and optimal exposure of uvb if there is any at all. If you are interested contact me and we'll setup an experiment with everything else the same other than one sample of plants being exposed to uvb and another set not or we could do multiple levels of exposure if you have the room. As well as proper procedure for experiment and for your safety as well you may want to shut off the uvb lamps when you are in the room


-pot

dont the reptile lights have a huge amount of IR heat? seems like a tanning bed bulb would work better. just food for thought

i guess this is the indoor only club. sorry for the sidetrack.

nah that's cool fdd it's not indoor only, however it is alot harder to control the environment outside so it is harder to get accurate results. If we can do anything to help the end product of marijuana then that is what we are after.


bigbad: I have actually considered tanning bulbs as well, but I wonder how much uvb they give off compared to reptile lights- it is something I will look into. The other issue would be cost. It seems that reptile lights give off a better percentage of uvb and if you added cooling you would still be WAY better off costwise compared to tanning bed lamps.

-pot

the reason i said something about a tanning bed bulb is i have a tanning bed that i bought for my X. shes gone and its just in the way. it has 26 bulbs that are 100 watt. i havent been able to find any specs on them as far as color temp or UV rating. i wont use all of them, but im sure some of them will make it into a grow before long.
i also just got a order of gibberellic acid that im going to try in different stages of plant life as soon as i have my clone count up.

I just glad Im not the only dork getting stoned and doing math.

i'm glad i'm stoned. this is all to much for me.

this is awsome, sorry pot i can't do a side by side comparison experiment with you but i sure can try out these uv light theory. Go ahead and do your study and let me know what bulb i need to get and stuff.

bump... I wanna see some questions and ideas here please

oh and plasma I do studies and schoolwork MUCH better when I am stoned then when I am not... go figure



-pot

allright heres a question...ive never grown a pure sativa before but i want to do it indoors ive got some columbian gold seeds and i want to use those spiral energy saveing flouros how many should i use and how tall should i let it get before i put it under flowering if i want atleast two-three ounces.i understand that flouros produce small fluffy buds but can you change that by just using alot off them on the sides and above the plant? i have great ventilation but still havent found a hid bulb i can keep cool.

Soil grow? Hydroponic- if so which kind? Space involved? How many trees are you wanting to plant... you can get 2-3 ounces out of one plant EASY. These are all prerequisites needed to answer your question.


-pot

soil its just easier to me,got some bat guano in the mix with perlite its real airy fluffy and rich.i gotta place thats ten foot ceilings but the lights will probly take up atleast a foot so the maximum height i can get is like nine feet but i like being able to reach my shit so ill probly start flowering when they get three feet tall.i only want to grow enough for me to survive on because i am not a dealer.i believe everyone should fucking grow there own.i want to use cfls cause the heat and they are easily available to me but i know they are weak.i smoke two ounces a weak so how many should a plant to get what i need.once i determine what seeds are what i will grow what i like breed them the way i like and adapt.should i use bonemeal i hear there is controversy over the stuff but i have a batch...?

potlike, i found this light for birds that gives off UVB. i'm not sure how much but i figure some is better than none and it's relatively cheap.

Bird Lighting: Zoo Med AvianSun 5.0 Compact Fluorescent Bulb at Drs. Foster and Smith