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Cascadian

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Yeah, I would just use maybe a 1/2 dose of the veg and maybe a very small amount of the bloom like 1/8 dose. The reason I suggest that is because your Phosphorus value on your bloom nute is so high I am wondering if it could be toxicity.

Here is some info on what it could cause:
Phosphorus toxicity
Toxic amounts of phosphorus have no direct effect of the cannabis plant but this illness shows itself in the form of Iron, potassium, zinc, magnesium, copper deficiencies. Too much Phosphorus will directly influence uptake and stability of all these elements. Phosphorus overdose will manifest some signs not faster than in a couple of weeks so probably by the time your plant shows these deficiencies your yield and overall look of the plant will be bad.

I use a supersoil that has most of what I need for veg and flower but I like to supplement with a complete bloom fert. What I chose was Flora Nova Bloom from General Hydroponics even though it isn't all organic. Go to their website and look at the link to the label and you will see that it has everything needed by the plant. It also has an NPK of 4-8-7 which is just about perfect based on what I have researched and based on the results I have gotten with it so far. I am sure there are better all in one nutes out there but this one works for me.

I also add some epsom salt from time to time and molasses about 3 times during flower (1tbs/gallon). The molasses feeds the microbes in the soil.
 

Dr. Who

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Cascadian has the point here......A P value of 52 is way to high for your stage in the game....even the K of 10 is up there this early.

N-P-K value's at differing stage's ,, a GENERAL zone

Veg - approx N-P-K of 2.8 - 2.2 - 3.1

Early Bloom - approx N-P-K of 3.4 - 2.6 - 3.4

Late bloom (start at 4 weeks) - approx N-P-K of 3.4 - 9.8 - 8.4

These are approximate N-P-K values that work. There is room for adjustment, that's up to the grower.

A complete synthetic for veg and Flower? Dyna Grow is good stuff! Their grow is 7-9-5 (vigorous vegging) and bloom is 3-12-6 (room for added K to enhance tric's).

Good luck
 

1itsme

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I would agree that 52p is rediculous and is likely to cause problems. the cns17 grow should be fine, i haven't used it but looking at the guaranteed analysis it should do fine. what soil mix are you using?
 

Bugeye

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To really know what is going on with your feedings, we need to know what your PPM readings are on every feeding and what products were used. Time released salt-based fertilizers are easy to overfeed with because of the compounding effect and dangers of toxic salt build up in your root zone. Miracle Grow was mentioned and this is a time release salt based product. Some potting soils are mixed with slow release fertilizer. It all adds up.

They have the look of being a little over-watered which should purge the salts out of your soil, so I'm thinking toxic salt build up isn't your problem. But to my eye your plants look to have a nutrient lock out. Assuming you started with decent soil, it is NOT common to have a nutrient deficiency of your scale from under feeding. I've grown some plants in dirt and never given them a single feeding of anything but water and they did surprisingly well. Some strains are incredibly sensitive to nutrients and like very low levels.

So I understand that you don't think you are over-feeding them, and maybe you aren't, but stay open to the idea a little longer. Over feeding DOES often look like a nutrient deficiency. That 52P sounds crazy to me. You will soon learn that putting something on your plant simply because it is what you have around, is a very bad idea. Everything you put on your plant needs to be evaluated on a stand alone basis and within the context of everything else you have put in there. Get a good nutrient feeding schedule from an experienced grower with proven success at every stage of the game and copy what they do next time, including their dirt recipe. Tossing more and more product down to try and fix something is often a death spiral. With good dirt, less is more.

You have a picture of a burned leaf and you can see little white globules on it. Check these out with your microscope to confirm that they are not larva. I'm guessing they are minerals but you need to confirm this to rule out pests. Large fan leaves should start to look bad at this stage of the grow so don't take that as a sign that you necessarily need more nitrogen.
 

SovietBuds

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Sweet thanks for everyones help i will stop the MG and let them get healthy. Im sure they arnt pests ive been looking for pests high and low. My leaves have had like moisture/drops on them sometimes in the morning.(Like there crying!!!) Again thanks to everyone that has helped me figure out how to treat my ladys. They look about the same today. Not sure if i should flush them or just no more p. I think i will let them dryout then no more MG.(unless they get bad tomorrow, then i will have to flush them all. THX again
 

Dr. Who

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Just for the information fact.

In soil you will not see a nutrient "correction" for 5-7 days!
In hydro it's much sooner like 1-3.
Certain factors like pH problems or nutrient lock outs can vary that amount of time.....I agree with Cascadian,,your problem is a lock out situation.

Drop down to more acceptable N-P-K values for your plants stage and be patient!!!! It will improve in the new growth coming up!!!

Another quick look at the pic's and I do agree on the use of a CalMag......start that use earlier on your next run.....Like maybe when you start nute use,,,at say 50% or 2.5ml per gallon (Botanicare or GH) or 1/2 tsp per gallon of feed solution for epsom salts - start at half because it's much easier to add more then have to cut back if it's to much!
 

SovietBuds

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Nothing new so far. They all look about the same. Going to water tomorrow with 6.2 pH. It seames like they reacted a few days after my last nutes then stopped killing leaves. Major changes the day or two after nutes. Then no more new dieing leaves. Buds are still getting bigger. Might have to harvest LST early but she might be alright. The rest will make it for sure. Just going to use water twice. Then a low dose of veg nutes. And water the rest of the time. Will try to figure out the nutes im going to use next time.

So about the soil mix?
Is it necessary to mix my soil?
Im using just straight sunshine mix #4 Aggregate Plus. A lot of people i know use just the #4 and are having great results. Not good enough alone?
 

Merlin34

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Alright... I have a few ideas... I'm a sunshine grower and have been for 15 years. Gonna throw some questions at you.

You said you had one in veg for 2 months?

What's the Ph of runoff right after you water?

I assume you're not using Calmag?

Did you add lime to the sunshine?
 
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