Satori from Mandala seeds,Final Verdict

satica said:

Satori,Final verdict

I am in a way happy that I did not write this review a couple of weeks earlier.I was disappointed mainly by the buds look not being Bag appeal at all.Satori delivers one of the least bag appeal buds full of stem and more leaf than calyx. For this single reason its not a strain for business growers unless they just have some known customers that love quality smoke and are ready to sacrifice its lack of bag appeal.
I started with 9 Regular seeds with %100 germination rate and ended up with 4 female and 5 males, but if any body has had some serious issues with germination of this special plant I understand it fully . I had the some problems when I tried to germinate Mandala seeds through wet tissue.You have to follow religiously what has been said in Mandala seeds company website germination guide .

None of them showed their sex before the second week of flowering and all showed their sex by the end of the 4th week.One of the males was the STRONGEST and thickest plant I have ever had and removing it was a painful job.i wish I had space to take some pollen out of him but such as life.

I chopped 5 males and one female that was not growing properly.
I ended up with 3 females and harvested 10 ounces dry out of them under around 800 watts mix of metal Halide and HPS bulbs.
They were not the healthiest plant during the veg time but no major issue with them.vegged them for 28 days and switched to 12/12 when they were about 7th internodes (30 cm).Inflowering they bagan to turn some serious healthy plants.

I used Advanced nutrients Grow,Micro ,Bloom for vegging(no additive used) .starting from EC=0.3 and reaching to EC=0.8 max toward the end of week 4.

Need to mention that in seedling period they all showed some red/ blue hue on the back side of the leaves that disappeared by the end of week 2 of vegg and did not resurface until late flowering as a nice purple hue that covered 1/3 of lower part of2 out of 3 plants especially the one that was under more MH than HPS.

When I switched to 12/12 they stretched from one feet to more than 3 feet at the end of flowering (%350) but if you want to use HPS alone expect more than %400 stretching.(possibly %600 or even more).


Using pure reverse osmosis water(RO water) ,I noticed they don’t perform good when EC is more than 1(PPM 500) even when they are in fool bloom period.!!!
When I switched the light to 12/12 I switched nuts to Advanced Nutrient connoisseur (Plus Bud blood for a week and Big bud for 3 more weeks).
Surprisingly ,I had some nutrient burn in one of my plants even with EC=0.9 during the flowering.I did not believe it so persisted that no nut burn can happen by this very low EC in hydroponics but I was wrong.Later Lowering the EC level solved most of the issue.


I believe If anyone uses connoisseur should be aware that it is extremely powerful and following Advanced nutrient Recommendation can lead to some degrees of Nut burns.
I had the best White widow of all time using Connoisseur with EC=0.9 max with no sign of nut deficiency and a vigorous robust grow.

In my 20+ cannabis plant strain experience I found satori the most Nut sensitive strain and for this single reason I generally don’t recommend it for beginners until they are fully aware of nut burn signs and symptoms.

If you manage to keep the EC low then this is the plant for sativa hybrid lovers.I had no issue with any of my plants except for before mentioned Nut burn.
Phenotype was diverse from Spear shape sativa cola with no significant side branching in one phenotype and a bat shape less compact cola with plenty of side branches colas competing with the main cola in the other side of the phenotypes.


Satori does not reject any amount of light you throw on her and is a light eater.If you don’t trim her then you need light mover or some other tricks to give the lower branches a good light otherwise you will end up with very leafy crop on lower branches.

For being a more sativa than an indica hybrid satori is too bushy and Impairs the light to reach the lower parts.I recommend trimming some of the fan leaves if it is too bushy in some parts of plant but not vigorous trimming necessary.

Yield was not impressive until the end of week 7 or even 8 then it began to pack on and stopped not sooner than end of week 10 .
Bat phenotype gave me 5 ounces of dry bud that 4 Oz of it was the side branches’ colas.

The spear sativa pheno grew a little lanky and Ended up 2 Oz Of buds.Quality wise it was the best or lets say the strongest.

The third one was in the middle if range both for yield and quality ( 3 ounces)




The Bat Pheno has a very strong sturdy structure more like a strong Indica plant and needs no support at all but the spear pheno may need some kind of support.

Odor and scent:For some reason satori has a subtle but complex scent in flowering and drying and curing period.

First, is should say, it is not a stealth strain to grow, you need some sort of carbon filter beginning about week 3rd to 4th week of bloom.

The closer you get to the plant you smell fruitier but when you are far from it the hash scent is more dominant.

Around week 4 all the plants began to release a sweet/sour scent that was very familiar for me but it took me a week to match that scent in my mind with my Scent natural library!!! And it was CANTELOUPE for sure and it ended about week 9 and there was no cantaloupe aroma in final cured Buds whatsoever.



The cured bud has a subtle hash and dried mix fruit aroma, reminds me when I used to open my grandmother spice storeroom. Mixture of hundred spice but not knowing what.


Smoke:The high of satori grows on you.Its a hybrid high. Both mental and physical but more mental than body of coarse .
I feel it in my temples more and not in my body , but if you have a body discomfort or spasm Satori is reaxing enough for mild to medium pain and discomfort.

I call it a dry high. You take a toke and then prefer to dig into your thoughts. First I could not connect to its high so I began to think that although it’s a strong high it does not have character, I was wrong again.

It took me about a week to feel and then understand satori’s type of high.Its a mental cleaner. It works for me like a White Board Eraser or for new generation’s sake like the computer’s Refresh Button.

You take two toke or three and after a few seconds to couple of minutes You are ready for a mental mission ,as deep as it goes with no prejudice (you erased your prejudice before by Satori)

or you may find yourself brave enough attacking the old Unanswered questions you tried to answer and failed.I personally solved one of Very OLD COLD CASES of mine.

It is a creeper first but a relatively fast creeper. It comes in waves and not like a tsunami.

Don’t let this wave like approach fools you, Sooner or later You have to stop smoking more satori since she has no sealing effect and If you smoke more You are on a higher and higher waves until its too much and you need to lie down.

Your mind can take more but your body normally quits first.

In high doses I had some Heart Race experience but in therapeutic dose it was a very safe smoke with no significant side effects.

It is not a soft smoke to inhale or keep inhaled but If you manage to keep a thick smoke in for a few seconds then you will find yourself in a tunnel of vision and suddenly you are HIGHLY High.

If you are a medium to heavy smoker then it is difficult for your friends to track you down when you are high on satori .You look almost normal to them with no red eye or stoned face.


In the Mandala Seeds company website they gave Satori Bubble hash a comparable quality with Famous Nepalese” Temple Balls”. I DID Doubt it but Boy OH Boy I was wrong. Its bubble hash blew my mind when 0.3 gram of it was enough to keep 4 medium smokers Satisfied for a full day with one casualty who had serious issue understanding the concept of time.

What satori Lacks for me is the lack of happiness in her high and for this single reason Satori will not be in my next couple of grow but I will definitely miss its empty container If I finish my satori stash in future.

In my final Verdict I consider satori a safe bet for a Sativa dominant Hybrid for average grower with some knowledge about Nutrient management.

Price wise it performs better than you paid for thanks to Jasmin and Mike of Mandala seeds.


Yours


Satica

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Great write up, thank you!

Anyone else have any reviews/opinions?

It lifts my depression and makes me happy so I can't agree with the original poster's high description. But the grow report is spot on. If you like sativas, satori is real hard to beat for the price!!!

Blackhit, really great and thorough review of Satori. I have been very interested in Satori for some time now. One thing you mentioned in your review was that;

"What satori Lacks for me is the lack of happiness in her high and for this single reason Satori will not be in my next couple of grow but I will definitely miss its empty container If I finish my satori stash in future."

I was wondering, what would you consider to be a strain that exhibits this type of high. I would love to hear your top 3-5 strains that are your favorite and that have that "happiness" in her high. Thanks

OH hey ODB thanks for the compliement but that wasn't my review that was from the first post of this thread by satica! He did do a really good job on that though which is why I replied in the first place. I'm going to be running some satori real soon so I wanted to see what people think of it and it appears to be a real winner. As far as other strains satori resembles, I've read people saying it reminds them of a lighter Kali Mist and that strain gets almost universal praise so it has to be a winner to me. Hopefully I will be able to find out real soon

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Anyone else have any reviews/opinions?

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I am looking around for info too, so.

This thread was very helpful.

Does have that spice smell even in veg. Love it! I could rub or pinch a leaf and tell without a label. Makes for a good mother somewhere in the pack. It is nute sensitive yes but refer to Mandala's site. Meant to be organic. Does show Awesome vigor. Even found a stud for some other stock in the stable. Did her both in and out on the patio. OMG out is insane! But this is how I found my males for my gorilla site at least the ladies where close to home So decided to breed seed ... Handles LST wonderful! So compensates for the most obvious sativa influence. I haven't done scrog but getting solid nugs of kosher organic goodness doing LST, you can't fail. I do bonsai style. But I agree learn on beginner strains first. But even a beginner should yield well. Just watch the nitrogen before you do the flip. Get a lil over a zip in one gal soil pails under 400 hps and that's me being lazy. But my moms I love and cherish. Outdoor i could imagine insane. Just waiting for the season to fire up my cloner. Tip let it cure for as long as you can possibly wait... :/ Trust me just got into organic air pot Hempy style wish me luck.

Does have that spice smell even in veg. Love it! I could rub or pinch a leaf and tell without a label. Makes for a good mother somewhere in the pack. It is nute sensitive yes but refer to Mandala's site. Meant to be organic. Does show Awesome vigor. Even found a stud for some other stock in the stable. Did her both in and out on the patio. OMG out is insane! But this is how I found my males for my gorilla site at least the ladies where close to home So decided to breed seed ... Handles LST wonderful! So compensates for the most obvious sativa influence. I haven't done scrog but getting solid nugs of kosher organic goodness doing LST, you can't fail. I do bonsai style. But I agree learn on beginner strains first. But even a beginner should yield well. Just watch the nitrogen before you do the flip. Get a lil over a zip in one gal soil pails under 400 hps and that's me being lazy. But my moms I love and cherish. Outdoor i could imagine insane. Just waiting for the season to fire up my cloner. Tip let it cure for as long as you can possibly wait... :/ Trust me just got into organic air pot Hempy style wish me luck.

I've heard Western Winds and Kali Mist are the same strain, anyone know if this is true? If so, it could be an economical alternative.

i had to skim way down to find the part that matters... the smoke report... sounds like a clear headed creative mid. that's an interesting high. i know it's in one member's top 2 highs along with golden tiger. if it's low in euphoria... that would make it a good work weed where you can't go around laughing your butt off.

if you want euphoria, try 8 miles high when it comes back next year. that one has really nice euphoria in a similar clear headed neutral energy way, but with a more playful fun seeking buzz and a cool precise body control effect. that's one of my top 4 favorite highs. kali mist is super euphoric, but 17 weeks plus with a racy can't sit still buzz.

HQS haze x skunk has nice euphoria with only a hint of stone that doesn't build up in a long lasting potent motivational high with a fair amount of trippiness. it's a cheap strain too. not a fan of the cigar wrapper taste, but it has great pain ignoring med use. i started dieting and eventually working out on it. it's every bit as good as columbian gold to me. less trippy, but more potent and LESS stony. even after a month... nothing but the same lead eye.

jillybean's supposed to be one of the most euphoric strains, but a lot of strains have that.

thanks for such a detail picture of the strain. i think i'll pass as i like eophoria and especially psychoactivity, and can appreciate a moderate stone. jack's cleaner 2 has great euphoria, trippiness, with a warm but functional body stone that really amps up touch effects. it's the kind of high that makes you play footsie with yourself or massage yourself. it's a nice complex buzz, and just 9 weeks

I grew out most of a pack of satori recently and was rather pleased with it. I got five females from eight seeds, and while four of them were variations on a similar phenotype that was kind of similar to cindy in size/structure, one was a much more indica plant, this being the one I kept. The sativa phenos were very powerful, very energizing, one was a little paranoia inducing, and one with very very mild visuals, similar to the tail end of a mild mushroom trip. However, the pheno I kept has a very definite sativa influence in the high, which is very electric and eye opening at first, but the transforms into a active yet daydreamy and trance-friendly state that lasts a couple hours. Very strong Nepalese influence and feeling, with a taste and smell that has distinct notes of hash, incense, and berries.

rock on clankie! can't give ya rep for growing the kind of shit i'd happily smoke! i like C99, but jack's cleaner 2, sweet haze, haze x skunk, malawi gold (duh!), 8 miles high and even sativa trans-love are all better. STL is a freakin' budding monster as far as generic hazes go. nice job reporting on the phenos too. keep up the good work and sharing your experience with gear that gets you high. gotta get that word out to push back against the bag appeal LIES.

Satori about six weeks in. I love them Tiva ladies but the wait omg.

Looks nice and frosty Chronic. I'm a Sativa lover myself

Eh trophy1 it is about 6 weeks now. in that last pic it is 5 weeks and two days. Think I can cut at week 8 or should I wait til like week 10. The color is bugging me out it looks close the ready. Second round with her but in cooler weather. Think she could go that far?

I'm guessing it could go longer than 8 possibly 9. But your leaves are pretty yellow for 5 weeks. maybe a bit nitrogen starved?

I had a strain called space from world of seeds that was sativa leaning that would finish in 7 weeks. I miss her, she had the greatest buzz, not super strong, but always put you in great mood, probably be a good anti-depressant smoke.

Best way id keep checking trichs, I'd probably take her down soon as they were mostly cloudy if I was after a sativa buzz (Which I would be)

Sweet that's me a sativa buzz Shift+R improves the quality of this image. Shift+A improves the quality of all images on this page. Last time I do her with reused soil. I should have amended more nitro at the trigger. But when I learn her omg. Her buds look grey or silver when cured. Covered with sooo much frost.

Yep, needing some nitrogen badly.

I wasn't to sure I had caught fungus gnats while moving to a new place. So I didn't give any nutes to be sure. Those buggers made my babes seem like they had nute problems. I let the top of the soil dry out and used cinnamon good organic alternative then made custom white paper covers for the soil. Then bottom fed when they where gone. Using bio bizz. Can I mix the grow formula with the bloom to round out nute deficiency? I strive to keep the pH between 6.0-7.0. I have hard water. 18 more days will be at 8 weeks. Wonder how long she will take?...This satori seems quick though I think cause I have it indoor? Still a whole bunch of white pistols. Besides the ones I bred with DNA Hash plant "Annunaki" male. Bred him go critical sensi star from delicious seeds and of course this satori. I stressed the male on purpose should make good seed. I read Mandala breeds with plants in low quality soil and pick out the best to bred. Last run I bred a satori male outdoor with a female pure kush GH gear Indoor also bred him to him to a super critical indoor also from GH. Putting these to use later.

Yes mix in grow with your bloom nutes, go 3/4 grow to 1/4 bloom the first couple weeks of flower, then 50/50 till week4, then go light on the grow heavy on the bloom.