Sannie's SugarPunch

rory420420 · Jun 8, 2014

sugarpunch update..this strain vegs way to slow..i have plants that were sprouted a week or two after the s.p. and theyve caught up!..healthy,but not vigorous..took 4 clones off the 2 plants,and 8 clones each of the huckleberry kush #2 and #3..#1 was a male..moved cloner in front of a.c.,spitshined it(even the emitters)..hoping for some good clones this time..heres some shots of the 2 s.p.(notice size and compare smartpots..not worth it imo),and a comparison of the s.p. vs the h.k..i hope the clones jump off! im kinda dissapointed so far

greasemonkeymann · Jun 9, 2014

gabechihua said:
I definitely wouldn't write it off so soon. You just harvested and it hasn't had a chance to cure. I would let it cure for a couple months before you make you final judgement. I have no experience with Jilly Bean, but some strains really do need a good amount of time in the jar before the high develops.

you think so?
I'm not arguing, but in my experience, usually the high doesn't get stronger after curing, just the taste and smoothness, if it's dry you'll have a good idea on it's potency.
my opinion anyways...

greasemonkeymann · Jun 9, 2014

rory420420 said:
View attachment 3174601 View attachment 3174602 View attachment 3174604 sugarpunch update..this strain vegs way to slow..i have plants that were sprouted a week or two after the s.p. and theyve caught up!..healthy,but not vigorous..took 4 clones off the 2 plants,and 8 clones each of the huckleberry kush #2 and #3..#1 was a male..moved cloner in front of a.c.,spitshined it(even the emitters)..hoping for some good clones this time..heres some shots of the 2 s.p.(notice size and compare smartpots..not worth it imo),and a comparison of the s.p. vs the h.k..i hope the clones jump off! im kinda dissapointed so far

that's weird, I've seen many, many, strains that flower at different rates, but really haven't seen a lot of discrepency on vegging rates. Mine are about 10 cm high. just started third set of leaves, gonna pinch those off.
Maybe they need something extra....they don't look like they have any deficiency though.
Thanks for the update, Rory
I'd save your disappointment until after the flowering times though, I've seen some "runty" plants produce phenomenal herb!

OGEvilgenius · Jun 9, 2014

rory420420 said:
View attachment 3174601 View attachment 3174602 View attachment 3174604 sugarpunch update..this strain vegs way to slow..i have plants that were sprouted a week or two after the s.p. and theyve caught up!..healthy,but not vigorous..took 4 clones off the 2 plants,and 8 clones each of the huckleberry kush #2 and #3..#1 was a male..moved cloner in front of a.c.,spitshined it(even the emitters)..hoping for some good clones this time..heres some shots of the 2 s.p.(notice size and compare smartpots..not worth it imo),and a comparison of the s.p. vs the h.k..i hope the clones jump off! im kinda dissapointed so far

You're overfeeding the SP. I can assume you're using GH/DynaGrow or something similar? They do not like a lot of nitrogen.

It will only get worse as you go into flower. Overfeeding will slow growth a lot. I highly recommend organic mix for this strain as it is fairly finicky.

OGEvilgenius · Jun 9, 2014

rory420420 said:
my buddy had some jilly bean oil,iwasnt impressed when i compared it with reviews..
going to clone in a bit,will post pics later..

I haven't had Jilly, but I have had some truly awful Agent Orange. I think they are related.

gabechihua · Jun 9, 2014

greasemonkeymann said:
you think so?
I'm not arguing, but in my experience, usually the high doesn't get stronger after curing, just the taste and smoothness, if it's dry you'll have a good idea on it's potency.
my opinion anyways...

I've noticed pronounced differences in highs after longer curing with certain strains. It's especially true for land race sativas, the psychoactive sativa properties become much louder with time. A quote taken from Bodhi's Nepali Watermelon Hashplant breeder description, "remember landrace sativas need a good long cure to bring out their magic." If you're growing mostly indica dominant hybrids you might not notice as much of a pronounced difference in the high after a long cure.

greasemonkeymann · Jun 9, 2014

gabechihua said:
I've noticed pronounced differences in highs after longer curing with certain strains. It's especially true for land race sativas, the psychoactive sativa properties become much louder with time. A quote taken from Bodhi's Nepali Watermelon Hashplant breeder description, "remember landrace sativas need a good long cure to bring out their magic." If you're growing mostly indica dominant hybrids you might not notice as much of a pronounced difference in the high after a long cure.

Well alright then, I stand corrected.
I've never grown a landrace sativa though, well, not on purpose anyways. Good information though.

st0wandgrow · Jun 9, 2014

greasemonkeymann said:
you think so?
I'm not arguing, but in my experience, usually the high doesn't get stronger after curing, just the taste and smoothness, if it's dry you'll have a good idea on it's potency.
my opinion anyways...

I would have stood beside you on this one about a month ago, but gabe is correct. I grew a strain called "Zazen". Nevilles Haze cross, mostly Sativa. I puffed on it shortly after it was dry, and it was good, but not great. Jarred it up and kinda forgot about it. About a month later a member here asked me about it, which prompted me to pull some out and give it another try. Holy shit! It went from pretty good potency to setting my hair on fire. I couldn't believe it.

OGEvilgenius · Jun 9, 2014

I have similar experience with sativa dominants. Although I really like some of them fresh off the vine, SP being one of them - as it's a little more racy.

greasemonkeymann · Jun 9, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
I would have stood beside you on this one about a month ago, but gabe is correct. I grew a strain called "Zazen". Nevilles Haze cross, mostly Sativa. I puffed on it shortly after it was dry, and it was good, but not great. Jarred it up and kinda forgot about it. About a month later a member here asked me about it, which prompted me to pull some out and give it another try. Holy shit! It went from pretty good potency to setting my hair on fire. I couldn't believe it.

ahh, see? this is great information, I don't want to sound like a "know-it-all" but it has been a while since I learned something new regarding growing herb.
Very nice!
I haven't done a lot of really sativa heavy strains, I prefer a good hybrid, but I have been REALLY curious about the dr. grinspoon, amnesia haze (hybrid) and Neville's haze.

greasemonkeymann · Jun 9, 2014

I wonder if it's something to do about the relatively high amounts of thcv, in sativas?
maybe it isn't completely psychoactive immediately....?
hmmmm I love new information!
anybody have any theories?

gabechihua · Jun 9, 2014

greasemonkeymann said:
I wonder if it's something to do about the relatively high amounts of thcv, in sativas?
maybe it isn't completely psychoactive immediately....?
hmmmm I love new information!
anybody have any theories?

I read something on the subject a while back, can't remember where, but I guess there is some kind of chemical transformation that occurs while curing.

rory420420 · Jun 9, 2014

OGEvilgenius said:
You're overfeeding the SP. I can assume you're using GH/DynaGrow or something similar? They do not like a lot of nitrogen.

It will only get worse as you go into flower. Overfeeding will slow growth a lot. I highly recommend organic mix for this strain as it is fairly finicky.

nope,not overfeeding..i use botanicare..everything else is responding like normal,the mad scientist was slow at first but started putting out..i really think its just the 2 seeds i got,no biggie..theyll produce or not,i clones coming..if its all around a no go,i still have lots of stock and even more seeds..hoping the m.s. jumps up like it has been doing,and the sugar punch follows...

CannaCole · Jun 9, 2014

SP, who knows how many weeks in. Main-lined for 8 yummy sticks. Will transplant into 3 gal equivalent airpots in a week or so.

rory420420 · Jun 9, 2014

hmm..looks nothing close to mine..

CannaCole · Jun 9, 2014

rory420420 said:
hmm..looks nothing close to mine..

These might be a better representation of my SP. These are clones I cut.

*Droopy because I let them dry out

rory420420 · Jun 9, 2014

the leafs look similar,structure wise the whole plant looks different than the two i have..looks nice tho!

OGEvilgenius · Jun 9, 2014

rory420420 said:
nope,not overfeeding..i use botanicare..everything else is responding like normal,the mad scientist was slow at first but started putting out..i really think its just the 2 seeds i got,no biggie..theyll produce or not,i clones coming..if its all around a no go,i still have lots of stock and even more seeds..hoping the m.s. jumps up like it has been doing,and the sugar punch follows...

I can see the burnt tips on your leaf.

There is a lot of variation in these seeds. All will be strong smoke, some better than others.

rory420420 · Jun 9, 2014

thats from an issue early on..ph was off..old leaves from that..still not much growth..if its smoke for a closet grower,thats cool..im ok with that,but so far thats all ive got in favor..if overfeeding was the problem,by now the plants would be burnt yellow stubs..they are not doing much for the length of time theyve been veggin even if i were pouring bottles of nutes on em..like i say,gonna ride it out..hopefully the clones will jump off and give me something to cheer about,at leasf theyll pay for the seeds and time spent...

greasemonkeymann · Jun 10, 2014

well, we'll see, I started them the same way I always do, and i'll be growing mine in the same mix I've been using for years, 100% organic, and proven time and time again, with over 15 strains, so if it gives me issues there, then i'll know its a weird strain.
which I hope its not.
I have faith in sannie...

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