Sanders is the strongest candidate against Trump in 2020

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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hanimmal said:
Maybe future donations...
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..that's exactly why politicians who accept legal bribes from wealthy donors do like they're told when it comes to the vote. They want those bribes to continue flowing
hanimmal said:
It makes sense, also makes sense that if someone is running a business an industry they will have good ideas about what could be done to help them, businesses are not our enemies.
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We've already established businesses, like individuals, do what is in their own best interest. Their "good ideas" tend to revolve around eliminating regulations that protect the environment, improve working conditions, increase wages, etc., in order to increase profit

Your responses to these points are incredibly naive. You seem to be under the impression corporations have workers best interests in mind when implementing policy when in reality the complete opposite is true; if they could get away with lower wages, no overtime, no benefits, no sick days, etc., the overwhelming majority of them would do it without a moment of consideration as to how it would affect workers, the only reason they don't is because it's against the law. Even the law doesn't stop them from stealing 2/3 more from workers than burglars steal annually.
hanimmal said:
The Republicans have strangled any bill that is not aimed to help the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male agenda for decades. Progress is made, but the Russians pushed Trump up on the shoulders of the evangelicals and hate mongers to win the Republicans nomination and suppressed enough Democratic voters to push him over Clinton in 2016. Any of the Democrats brings instant improvement in all those important areas you listed day one.
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I'm not sure why you quoted my post, this response is irrelevant to the point of corporate influence in politics

Republican and Democratic politicians alike accept legal bribes from corporate interests, this gives them more influence over our democracy than what the average voter has, and far more influence over policy and elections than any foreign government could ever dream of having. It comes off as extremely disingenuous to be critical about foreign influence affecting democracy while at the same time essentially ignoring the overwhelming corporate influence that actively subverts it on a routine basis. Any politician that accepts legal bribes from corporate interests is already tainted because they can't be trusted to represent the American people.


Why are you avoiding answering the questions I've asked you twice in previous posts?

-do you believe someone who works full time should earn a living wage?
-do you believe it's reasonable for business owners/executives to earn hundreds to thousands of times more than their average worker?
-in your opinion, during his career, what votes has Bernie Sanders been wrong on?
-if Sanders has not been wrong when casting votes in congress, why then would it be a valid criticism to say that "he hasn't gotten anything done"?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
Why are you avoiding answering the questions I've asked you twice in previous posts?
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I have tried to answer everything, but it is much easier if you point out your questions like below.

Padawanbater2 said:
-do you believe someone who works full time should earn a living wage?
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I believe that anyone willing and able to work full time should be able to get a job that pays a living wage. However I do not believe that every job should be expected to pay enough for a family to live on through a government law.
Padawanbater2 said:
-do you believe it's reasonable for business owners/executives to earn hundreds to thousands of times more than their average worker?
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I think if people are paying their taxes, we shouldn't be able to tell them how much they can earn. I think also your understanding on this subject is pretty simple and you ignored what I had said about looking at the entire business wages and growth vs the owners. If someone busts their ass and builds up a business from the ground up investing their entire life doing it, they should be able to determine their wages. Someone coming in and doing a job with no skin in the game should not have expectations of being paid more than the job is worth.
Padawanbater2 said:
-in your opinion, during his career, what votes has Bernie Sanders been wrong on?
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You get that I don't have a issue with Sanders right? But fine, let's see...
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He voted against getting the inmates out so Obama could start shutting down Guantanamo.

Finding things you dislike is very easy to do.
Padawanbater2 said:
-if Sanders has not been wrong when casting votes in congress, why then would it be a valid criticism to say that "he hasn't gotten anything done"?
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Because he has not worked to pass legislation to make our country better. He lets others do the heavy lifting and gets to sit back and play Monday morning Quarterback.

Padawanbater2 said:
..that's exactly why politicians who accept legal bribes from wealthy donors do like they're told when it comes to the vote. They want those bribes to continue flowing
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Or the business owners realize that they have someone who is reasonable and knowledgable of how important employment is to our country and that not everyone is out to screw people.

Padawanbater2 said:
We've already established businesses, like individuals, do what is in their own best interest. Their "good ideas" tend to revolve around eliminating regulations that protect the environment, improve working conditions, increase wages, etc., in order to increase profit

Your responses to these points are incredibly naive. You seem to be under the impression corporations have workers best interests in mind when implementing policy when in reality the complete opposite is true; if they could get away with lower wages, no overtime, no benefits, no sick days, etc., the overwhelming majority of them would do it without a moment of consideration as to how it would affect workers, the only reason they don't is because it's against the law. Even the law doesn't stop them from stealing 2/3 more from workers than burglars steal annually.
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It is hard to not say stupid shit like calling me 'incredibly naive'.

I have no idea what you mean by stealing 2/3 thing, but the rest is populist garbage. Some owners/managers are horrible, but as a whole, businesses have learned that they only work with a strong, smart, healthy, and happy workforce. We are still working through the scaring of the industrial age, but every year things get better, because that how progress works.

Padawanbater2 said:
I'm not sure why you quoted my post, this response is irrelevant to the point of corporate influence in politics

Republican and Democratic politicians alike accept legal bribes from corporate interests, this gives them more influence over our democracy than what the average voter has, and far more influence over policy and elections than any foreign government could ever dream of having. It comes off as extremely disingenuous to be critical about foreign influence affecting democracy while at the same time essentially ignoring the overwhelming corporate influence that actively subverts it on a routine basis. Any politician that accepts legal bribes from corporate interests is already tainted because they can't be trusted to represent the American people.
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You see donations as bribes, building a entire narrative off of that. I see that as wrong, donations unfortunately are a reality of running for political office. If things ran the way you want them to run, only rich people like Trump would be able to run for office.

You seemingly believe that businesses are bad, I do not, there are many reasons other than nefarious ones to discuss your industry with politicians.
 
Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Republican and Democratic politicians alike accept legal bribes from corporate interests,
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Accepting a legal campaign donation is not a bribery.

If you don't like the current campaign funding laws (I don't) then elect representatives that will change them.

Did you know that every Democratic Senator voted for reforming capaign financing and every Republican Senator voted agaist it the last time there was a vote on the matter?

If this matters to you, then support Democrats.
 
kgp

kgp

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UncleBuck said:
Wow! 2 polls that don’t match any of the others!
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And its probably the most accurate.

Funny how you believe all poles that match your thoughts but anyones that dont you call bullshit.

Just because you RIU trolls think you are the majority because you have the loudest pie holes you will again be disappointed when reality hits. Everyday people are getting more and more tired of the left slipping farther and farther away. Watch and learn buckaroo.
 
UncleBuck

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kgp said:
Everyday people are getting more and more tired of the left slipping farther and farther away. Watch and learn buckaroo.
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Is that why we got 3 million more votes in 2016 and 9 million more votes in 2018

Dumb neo nazi
 
kgp

kgp

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UncleBuck said:
A neo nazi praising pedophile
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Yeah, who the career politician lost too. Its pretty sad when you think about it. She lost to fucking donald trump. Thats like losing a foot race to a one legged man. Polls didn't predict that, did they?

You say that about every person who you disagree with. You ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?
 
UncleBuck

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kgp said:
Yeah, who the career politician lost too. Its pretty sad when you think about it. She lost to fucking donald trump. Thats like losing a foot race to a one legged man. Polls didn't predict that, did they?

You say that about every person who you disagree with. You ever heard the story of the boy who cried wolf?
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Trump praised neo nazis after they murdered heather heyer and he bragged about walking in on unsuspecting naked underage children

That makes him a neo nazi praiser and a pedophile no matter how much you cry

And you support that pedophile so I have no choice but to conclude that you are a pedophile too. Otherwise you wouldn’t support him

I’ll probably call cps on Monday to make sure you are not abusing your own kids, you fucking pedophile
 
kgp

kgp

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UncleBuck said:
Trump praised neo nazis after they murdered heather heyer and he bragged about walking in on unsuspecting naked underage children

That makes him a neo nazi praiser and a pedophile no matter how much you cry

And you support that pedophile so I have no choice but to conclude that you are a pedophile too. Otherwise you wouldn’t support him

I’ll probably call cps on Monday to make sure you are not abusing your own kids, you fucking pedophile
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If anyone wants a good laugh, type "pedophile" in the search bar at the top of the page. Its buck saying it hundreds and hundreds of times. I see quite an obsession. Hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husbands too.
 
UncleBuck

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kgp said:
If anyone wants a good laugh, type "pedophile" in the search bar at the top of the page. Its buck saying it hundreds and hundreds of times. I see quite an obsession. Hide your kids, hide your wife, and hide your husbands too.
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Why do you support a pedophile?
 
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