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Ryan's Plan for Medicare

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
Here's the truth. Watch this video and informed.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/25/the_path_to_prosperity_part_2_saving_medicare_visualized.html
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
The Ryan Plan will hurt Seniors NOW, not on some future date

Isn't it great to see Dems take the fight directly to the GOP and to point out the falsehoods of the Ryan Plan too? Dems To GOP: Stop Lying To Seniors That Republican Budget Won’t Impact Current Medicare Beneficiaries
Republicans have been using the 10-year buffer to protect themselves from attacks from current seniors ever since they unveiled the plan earlier this year. Democrats have been slow to point out that the argument is false. "What the Republicans are saying -- that this won't affect seniors now, that the cuts are all off in future years -- is flat out false," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI). "In the reform bill that we passed, we solved, over time, the problem of the Donut Hole -- the dreaded coverage gap that seniors fall into when their prescriptions can't be paid for any longer. That solution to the donut hole problem gets repealed by the Ryan budget. And that will hit home right away to seniors in Rhode Island and seniors across this country."
Remember the Affordable Care Act, that Democrats passed last year?
Well that Dem Plan fixes the 'Donut Hole' gap in prescription coverage that Seniors now often have to pay "out of pocket" -- often with money they don't have.
Well, if the GOP got their way, the Paul Ryan Medicare-ending Plan, would also put that 'Donut Hole' squarely back into Seniors personal Budget decisions.
Pain NOW -- Not later. Not 10 years from now, like Ryan likes to say.

Taken from here

 

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
^^^ Quoting the Daily Kos is like quoting the Communist Manifesto. Go here to get the same info, in the same way as you'll get it from Daily Kos and/or Harry Reid and other major players in today's "modern" Democrat Party: http://www.cpusa.org/
 

BendBrewer

Well-Known Member
Sorry. Under 55 and have been paying into Medicare and I expect to get Medicare when I can in the future. Hence why the Republicans are going to lose their seats by attempting to destroy medicare and raise HC costs on everyone.

Read today that Ryan's seat is a target and he just might get thrown out by the voters because he wants to kill Medicare. Bad move dude and your Party has already started to pay.

See you in November!!!
 

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
Sorry. Under 55 and have been paying into Medicare and I expect to get Medicare when I can in the future. Hence why the Republicans are going to lose their seats by attempting to destroy medicare and raise HC costs on everyone.

Read today that Ryan's seat is a target and he just might get thrown out by the voters because he wants to kill Medicare. Bad move dude and your Party has already started to pay.

See you in November!!!
This may surprise you, but Ryan is not a member of my party, nor am I a member of his.

So answer this: would you rather continue to pay into a system that is going broke, or would you rather pay into a system that is like the system the members of Congress and other federal employees have?
 

mame

Well-Known Member
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<B>Isn't it great to see Dems take the fight directly to the GOP and to point out the falsehoods of the Ryan Plan too? Dems To GOP: Stop Lying To Seniors That Republican Budget Won’t Impact Current Medicare Beneficiaries
Republicans have been using the 10-year buffer to protect themselves from attacks from current seniors ever since they unveiled the plan earlier this year. Democrats have been slow to point out that the argument is false. "What the Republicans are saying -- that this won't affect seniors now, that the cuts are all off in future years -- is flat out false," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI). "In the reform bill that we passed, we solved, over time, the problem of the Donut Hole -- the dreaded coverage gap that seniors fall into when their prescriptions can't be paid for any longer. That solution to the donut hole problem gets repealed by the Ryan budget. And that will hit home right away to seniors in Rhode Island and seniors across this country."
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Remember the Affordable Care Act, that Democrats passed last year?
Well that Dem Plan fixes the 'Donut Hole' gap in prescription coverage that Seniors now often have to pay "out of pocket" -- often with money they don't have.
Well, if the GOP got their way, the Paul Ryan Medicare-ending Plan, would also put that 'Donut Hole' squarely back into Seniors personal Budget decisions.
Pain NOW -- Not later. Not 10 years from now, like Ryan likes to say.

Taken from here
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Wow. I wasn't aware of this.

Ryan's plan doesn't even save any money if that expansionary boom doesn't happen with all those tax cuts he wants... Which considering the laffer curve, history, and examples around the globe (as well as the recent test case of the Bush tax cuts) that boom likely wont happen... In which case, all the plan is is a wealth redistribution bill - not a deficit reduction bill.
 

BendBrewer

Well-Known Member
I think minor tweaks to the system such as what was done in the HC bill regarding cost cutting is good. But anyone falling for the claim that we need to eliminate the system in order to save it is smoking crack. Ryan's bill does nothing to address costs ans simply funnels Tax Payer funds to private insurance firms. I have no idea why so many people hold insurance sales guys in such high regard.

You can think whatever you want. The Republicans botched this one Big Time. As we role into election season we aren't talking about terror, birth certificates, HC reform, ACORN, Black Panthers or Rev. Wright. No, as we role into election season the topic of the day is Republicans killing Medicare.

Priceless.
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
^^^ Quoting the Daily Kos is like quoting the Communist Manifesto. Go here to get the same info, in the same way as you'll get it from Daily Kos and/or Harry Reid and other major players in today's "modern" Democrat Party: http://www.cpusa.org/
Typical GOP talking points. You are so predictable.
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
This may surprise you, but Ryan is not a member of my party, nor am I a member of his.

So answer this: would you rather continue to pay into a system that is going broke, or would you rather pay into a system that is like the system the members of Congress and other federal employees have?
Going broke? Medicare is solvent until 2036 and will still be 70 percent solvent until 2085. The problem isn't medicare it's the high cost of healthcare which needs to be addressed and fixed. The only reason the GOP is blowing this completely out of proportion is to dissolve SS and Medicare so they can pay for the tax cuts for the rich and keep subsidies for the oil companies. This whole medicare scare is complete bullshit.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Going broke? Medicare is solvent until 2036 and will still be 70 percent solvent until 2085. The problem isn't medicare it's the high cost of healthcare which needs to be addressed and fixed. The only reason the GOP is blowing this completely out of proportion is to dissolve SS and Medicare so they can pay for the tax cuts for the rich and keep subsidies for the oil companies. This whole medicare scare is complete bullshit.
you know what would keep it solvent even longer? means testing.

you know how to keep SS going even longer? raise the cap.

simple solutions, but republicans want the 'my lai' approach, as johnnyo might say. we must destroy it to fix it.

their schtick is growing old. they break government to convince us it is broken. well fucking duh!
 

deprave

New Member
We gotta do something, stop the quazi legal wars or whatever you wanna call them, stop spending 20 million dollars an hour in Afghanistan? that's a good start.... I am glad he is doing something to save us but this is on the bottom of the list of things that need to be cut.
 

Charlie Ventura

Active Member
Originally Posted by Charlie Ventura
^^^ Quoting the Daily Kos is like quoting the Communist Manifesto. Go here to get the same info, in the same way as you'll get it from Daily Kos and/or Harry Reid and other major players in today's "modern" Democrat Party: http://www.cpusa.org/

Typical GOP talking points. You are so predictable.

Um, hm ... and another predictable response by a typical leftist. Did you go to the Communist site and compare their platform with the platform of the Progressives in our federal government? Or ... are you just trying to marginalize, ridicule and demean someone you don't agree with as Saul Alinski instructs in his Progressive Bible? Come on man, at least do the research, then come back and reply. Geeze Louise!
 

mame

Well-Known Member
Um, hm ... and another predictable response by a typical leftist. Did you go to the Communist site and compare their platform with the platform of the Progressives in our federal government? Or ... are you just trying to marginalize, ridicule and demean someone you don't agree with as Saul Alinski instructs in his Progressive Bible? Come on man, at least do the research, then come back and reply. Geeze Louise!
You're wrong. American progressives believe very much in capitalism... We just know it isn't perfect. We are not communists. Maybe you should do some research...
 

ink the world

Well-Known Member
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]First I'll address the plan itself. Its horrible at best. The plan would essentially privatize and hand all that income over to insurance companies. LOL after all the bullshit about "death panels" 18 months ago this plan is actually gonna create those very death panels. The panels will be at offices of private insurance companies. You feel comfortable letting someone that will PROFIT from denying you care make your life and death decisions? If so, this plan is for you.
The real kicker is that it doesnt take away from the deficit for a long time, retains tax breaks for the rich and corporations while taking benefits away from the poor and whats left of the middle class.

On a purely strategic level, this was and is the dumbest political moves in a long time. Can you say massive over reach?
The Repubs gained back some power by focusing on jobs, unemployment, and a poor economy. The had an absolute golden opportunity to really make some political hay over the last few months by addressing those things and really making a difference. .........................................Instead, they have offered up anti abortion bills all over the country, targeting Planned parenthood, PBS and the Ryan plan. The party has done nothing to address real economic issues and has pandered yet again to the far right social conservatives in the party...........I said it when the election cycle ended and I'll say it again: They sold out to the Christian/Social conservatives and over reached just like the Newt era and will end up suffering the same fate.

If history really does repeat itself (as it seems to be now) then Obama will have a hell of a second term like Clinton and he'll have Republicans to thank for it.
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mame

Well-Known Member
This is the kind of policy Progressives support(this is a provision of the Affordable care act):
For the first time in its history, Medicare will soon track spending on millions of individual beneficiaries, reward hospitals that hold down costs and penalize those whose patients prove most expensive.

The administration plans to establish &#8220;Medicare spending per beneficiary&#8221; as a new measure of hospital performance, just like the mortality rate for heart attack patients and the infection rate for surgery patients.

Hospitals could be held accountable not only for the cost of the care they provide, but also for the cost of services performed by doctors and other health care providers in the 90 days after a Medicare patient leaves the hospital.

This plan has drawn fire from hospitals, which say they have little control over services provided after a patient&#8217;s discharge &#8212; and, in many cases, do not even know about them. More generally, they are apprehensive about Medicare&#8217;s plans to reward and penalize hospitals based on untested measures of efficiency that include spending per beneficiary.

A major goal of the new health care law, often overlooked, is to improve &#8220;the quality and efficiency of health care&#8221; by linking payments to the performance of health care providers. The new Medicare initiative, known as value-based purchasing, will redistribute money among more than 3,100 hospitals. (source)
THIS IS WHAT COST CONTROLS LOOK LIKE(not the shitty Ryan plan that only shifts costs)!!!

This reform actively tries to make the healthcare industry competitive - as traditional markets are(and what the HC industry has always lacked) - as a method for cost control. There is no socialism here. There is no thought control. Only market based cost controls.
 
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