Roseman and purpdaddys guide for my Bubbleponics setup from Stealth Hydroponics

Trunk5

Trunk5

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ok so, ive hit a trial and error that hasnt been covered here. the system is great and is working wonderfully, but seems that this isnt stressed enough. once the plants roots do go into the water make sure the feeding tubs arent saturateing your grow cube or rooter plug or what ever. this starts to water log the stem and cause rot. looking at my plants today, tomorrow they will be 3 weeks old i find that the stem is saturated about a half inch up the plug and it is getting a dark almost bruse color ring around the stem. i had to get rid of one of my plants cuz this rot just about choked thru the stem. so today i pulled the feeder tubes from the remaining 3 and unpluged the water pump the air is still going. yes the roots are in the water below and im sure i will be fine not running my pump anymore. i just hope they bounce back and the 3 i have were no where neer as bad as the one i had to kill. just letting everyone know to watch out for this, and if you have any sugestions to help recover these plants me let me know thank you.
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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Trunk5 said:
ok so, ive hit a trial and error that hasnt been covered here. the system is great and is working wonderfully, but seems that this isnt stressed enough. once the plants roots do go into the water make sure the feeding tubs arent saturateing your grow cube or rooter plug or what ever. this starts to water log the stem and cause rot. looking at my plants today, tomorrow they will be 3 weeks old i find that the stem is saturated about a half inch up the plug and it is getting a dark almost bruse color ring around the stem. i had to get rid of one of my plants cuz this rot just about choked thru the stem. so today i pulled the feeder tubes from the remaining 3 and unpluged the water pump the air is still going. yes the roots are in the water below and im sure i will be fine not running my pump anymore. i just hope they bounce back and the 3 i have were no where neer as bad as the one i had to kill. just letting everyone know to watch out for this, and if you have any sugestions to help recover these plants me let me know thank you.
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place the feedertube right on the side of the cube..more towards the bottom..when the roots find thier watersource,there is no need for the tubes anymore..take em out as well as the pump.That will solve al your problems>
 
Trunk5

Trunk5

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purpdaddy said:
place the feedertube right on the side of the cube..more towards the bottom..when the roots find thier watersource,there is no need for the tubes anymore..take em out as well as the pump.That will solve al your problems>
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thats exactly what i did, i took it all out. hopeing they will recover. i just wanted to state this so more people know about it. one of the most common question i see is "do you leave the water pump on 24/7?" but not much is said after the fact like well once the plants get big enough and the roots are in water remove the pump and run dwc. but thank you purp, ill keep you guys posted. here are a few pics so people know what im talking about and what to look for. its the little black bruse looking rings around the stem.
 

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purpdaddy

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Trunk5 said:
thats exactly what i did, i took it all out. hopeing they will recover. i just wanted to state this so more people know about it. one of the most common question i see is "do you leave the water pump on 24/7?" but not much is said after the fact like well once the plants get big enough and the roots are in water remove the pump and run dwc. but thank you purp, ill keep you guys posted. here are a few pics so people know what im talking about and what to look for. its the little black bruse looking rings around the stem.
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if u would have read more of this thread before you posted you would have seen that this issue has BEEN stated.you gotta do alotta research man to learn this and make it work.
 
Trunk5

Trunk5

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this has been the only problem i ran into so far and ive built everything from scratch. its not the research im lacking but the exp in water, i did nothing but read up on bp the whole time i was doing my soil grow. i found this site 2 months befor i evan tryed that. last night i spent the best of 4 hours searching for an answer to this problem and truely only found that you had the same issue and had to clone them. i was just putting up pics so people know what to look for and posibly if any one would say umm thoes plants are to far gone yada yada. all this is just a learning exp and trial and error so i dont mess up the batch of good seeds i got. i dont need to shell out another 100 bucks for 5 seeds. so please dont take offence i was just trying to give out a little info because all of you have givin me so much and i thank you.
 
Katatawnic

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purpdaddy said:
place the feedertube right on the side of the cube..more towards the bottom..when the roots find thier watersource,there is no need for the tubes anymore..take em out as well as the pump.That will solve al your problems>
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I recall Roseman saying that he leaves the tubes in the entire grow, and the amazing effect it has on his roots. I could be wrong, but I'm sure I recall this. :confused:
(I believe it was in his "DIY Bubbleponics" thread.)
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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Katatawnic said:
I recall Roseman saying that he leaves the tubes in the entire grow, and the amazing effect it has on his roots. I could be wrong, but I'm sure I recall this. :confused:
(I believe it was in his "DIY Bubbleponics" thread.)
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nope...just the opposite..the roots start growing into the feedertubes and clogs them up
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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Trunk5 said:
this has been the only problem i ran into so far and ive built everything from scratch. its not the research im lacking but the exp in water, i did nothing but read up on bp the whole time i was doing my soil grow. i found this site 2 months befor i evan tryed that. last night i spent the best of 4 hours searching for an answer to this problem and truely only found that you had the same issue and had to clone them. i was just putting up pics so people know what to look for and posibly if any one would say umm thoes plants are to far gone yada yada. all this is just a learning exp and trial and error so i dont mess up the batch of good seeds i got. i dont need to shell out another 100 bucks for 5 seeds. so please dont take offence i was just trying to give out a little info because all of you have givin me so much and i thank you.
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that was alos when i was growing in an aerogarden and you cant stop the flow of water unless you take the pump out..i was really new then,No dissrespect taken ,but anytime anyone has EVER asked me that question.ive told em just what i told you and know its been posted in this thread.Its all good bro.:peace:
 
tSunami13

tSunami13

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Here's a Roseman post from Stealth Hydro post #11565 :Welcome to our thread.

You should at least wait until the roots are IN the water before disconnecting the hub and water pump.

I leave mine in.
It is difficult to remove and not damage some roots.
It cools and oxegenates the water by moving it.
I use it to pump the water out when I need to drain it.
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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tSunami13 said:
Here's a Roseman post from Stealth Hydro post #11565 :Welcome to our thread.

You should at least wait until the roots are IN the water before disconnecting the hub and water pump.

I leave mine in.
It is difficult to remove and not damage some roots.
It cools and oxegenates the water by moving it.
I use it to pump the water out when I need to drain it.
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man i talk to roseman everyday..tHE BUBBLEDISK OR WHATEVER YOU USE KEEPS THE ROOTS WELL OXYGENATED.listen to what im telling you that is an older post.You can do both..but you gotta keep those tubes unclogged..and to do that you have to take em out..After the roots hit water,the feeder tubes have done their job and can be removed.I do it and got PLENTY of pics to prove myself.
 
tSunami13

tSunami13

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purp, no doubt they can be removed. I have read it both ways. That post was from August 4th though. I myself will remove them once they become clogged. I will leave the pump in to circulating the water. I know once the roots hit the water the tubes have served there purpose. It's all personal choice. It works either way. There is just the slight chance the pump might burn up with clogged tubes, or impeller.
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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I remove mine..everytime cause i dont like fucking with clogged up tubes...and they will get clogged up...so take a lil word of advice and take em out cause when they get clogged they are useless.But u can do it both ways..there..its been said!:eyesmoke::peace:bongsmilie
 
MostlyCrazy

MostlyCrazy

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Well I've had a quintuple bypass a couple of years ago and had clogged feeder tubes to my heart so they removed them! LOL! I remove feeder tubes at flower and leave the pump in to cool the res. I use the big light for flower and the res temp doesn't change. Check the pump every res change to make sure the roots aren't growing into them also.
 
tSunami13

tSunami13

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Hey Purp,

I was just reading this thread and saw that Kata, thought there was a post out there. I have been following the stealth thread for sometime and this topic just came up last week. So I was just throwing it out there. I am not going against what you are saying at all. All the questions seem to be in a cycle. Heck there are almost 12,000 post in the one thread! You Know this man. lol I just saw this thread pop up in the last day or two. Don't know how I could miss it? It's not new. lol :peace:
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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tSunami13 said:
Hey Purp,

I was just reading this thread and saw that Kata, thought there was a post out there. I have been following the stealth thread for sometime and this topic just came up last week. So I was just throwing it out there. I am not going against what you are saying at all. All the questions seem to be in a cycle. Heck there are almost 12,000 post in the one thread! You Know this man. lol I just saw this thread pop up in the last day or two. Don't know how I could miss it? It's not new. lol :peace:
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yea i know what ya sayin man...just trust me.Roseman and i put this together and we talk everyday..U can do it both ways..but taking them out with the pump is better for me..want more water circulation?add more bubblestones.Its all good!bongsmilie
 
Roseman

Roseman

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I think this is a question I've answered 1000 times..the same way.

and to start with, no one has to do it the same way as I or Purp does it.
Some growers on this thread have a DIY, and not even a true SH Bubbleponics with different size hubs and water pumps..
And just because two growers does it different, doesn't make one right and one wrong.
My nephew PurpDaddy, whom I am very proud of, gets great results, WONDERFUL RESULTS, he grows beautiful buds, and he definitely uses different Nutes, different supplements, different catalysts, different Lights, different strains, different Veg times, different water source, than I use. And he perfers Michalob Beer, and I drink Miller Lite, and we both get high.

You don't have to do it the exact same way as Purp or I do it.
That being said first,
what I do and think is best for ME, is when my roots are well into the deep water at the soonest, or when I start flowering 12/12 at the latest, I unplug my water pump. Within the first 3 to 5 weeks, I always find a clogged tube, ALWAYS, clogged with a root in it. AND that root will die too, messing up pH, and everything.
I will remove that clogged tube, you can not unclog it while it is IN the tank. Sometimes, if I can, when I remove males, I will remove the hub, and sometimes I can't remove it without doing a lot of damage to the roots. Sometimes I remove a few tubes and leave a few until i am removing males. No matter what, I have never Removed the pump. I always use that pump to drain my tank, and I let it run some, shooting water staright up against the lid. It cools the water, it moves the water and moving water is much cooler than standing water.

If you have ALL the roots in the deep water, then those feeder tubes are like big breasts on a nun. They might look good, but there is not much purpose to them. IF I get a clogged tube after the 3rd week, I just unplug the pump, and see if I think I can deal with it, fix it or not.
I do keep the feeder tubes running to the root base and the water pump pumping as long as I can, but I've never been able to do that more than 4 or 5 weeks at the very most. Normally it is at about 3 weeks. And I have kept them running all the way up to the first day of 12/12. Most times, although I unplug the water pump, I wait until I am removing males, to remove the hub and tubes then, since I am going to be wacking roots off anyway. And I have left some tubes to save some big roots from being torn in the process.

I think I might try some WATER PUMP FILTER BAGS.
I am even trying to get Martin to make them, or pay me to make some. Use Window Screen, to make a small draw-string filter bag, that I put my water pump in. That way, I could leave my feeder tubes working longer. I only remove them because they get clogged with a root, and let roots die. i think it would be better, but not necesary, but might be better to keep them feeding the root base and circulating the water around.


You can not go wrong, doing like PurpDaddy does, for sure. He has taught me a lot about growing, for sure.
 
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AkPapaGanja

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I think people get WAY too hung up on the little exact details. No matter how many questions you ask you will not be able to exactly duplicate someones setup. Good gardening skills and common sense goes a long way to working these issues out. Common sense tells me that after roots hit water the problem above 'ground' if you will becomes structural support. Constant wetting of the main trunk base will not be good. The water may be well oxygenated when it leaves the tube, but the oxygen soom dissapates, and you are left with stale water. This becomes a breeding ground for many fungal ills, such as the apparent case of stem rot seen earlier. If people understand the concept that all this system does is supply a different and vastly superior environment for the root system of the plant, it will be easier to adapt your gardening skills to the rest of the plant. The top areas of the stem root interface should not be kept wet all the time. This is a vital exchange zone in any environment Letting this area dry and breathe can only be a good thing.
This is just the opinion of an old dirt farmer, who went to rockwool hydroponics, and did kind of good for a while. It looks like I'm going to upgrade to the DWC as of yesterday when I found this site. I guess that makes me a total newb, but that's OK If there is one thing I have learned in the 25 years I have been growing this glorious gift from God, it is that good gardening skills are absolutely vital. All you are supposed to do is recreate God's outdoors in your closet, or wherever, indoors. In nature, plants that lose their leaves don't thrive. Ergo, don't pluck them. You don't pluck houseplants like that. Provide the plant with what it need, and unless its buggy or fungal, keep your pea-pickers off the darn thing. Sit back, relax, and let it grow.
 
MostlyCrazy

MostlyCrazy

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APG!

Very good! I like you was a dirt farmer for over 25 years and you have it exactly right! Until you can see what the plant is telling you or at least gain some experience a new grower will need help and find it here. We teach basic gardening skills with a certain plant in mind is all.

You don't sound like a newbie! Welcome!
 
purpdaddy

purpdaddy

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AkPapaGanja said:
I think people get WAY too hung up on the little exact details. No matter how many questions you ask you will not be able to exactly duplicate someones setup. Good gardening skills and common sense goes a long way to working these issues out. Common sense tells me that after roots hit water the problem above 'ground' if you will becomes structural support. Constant wetting of the main trunk base will not be good. The water may be well oxygenated when it leaves the tube, but the oxygen soom dissapates, and you are left with stale water. This becomes a breeding ground for many fungal ills, such as the apparent case of stem rot seen earlier. If people understand the concept that all this system does is supply a different and vastly superior environment for the root system of the plant, it will be easier to adapt your gardening skills to the rest of the plant. The top areas of the stem root interface should not be kept wet all the time. This is a vital exchange zone in any environment Letting this area dry and breathe can only be a good thing.
This is just the opinion of an old dirt farmer, who went to rockwool hydroponics, and did kind of good for a while. It looks like I'm going to upgrade to the DWC as of yesterday when I found this site. I guess that makes me a total newb, but that's OK If there is one thing I have learned in the 25 years I have been growing this glorious gift from God, it is that good gardening skills are absolutely vital. All you are supposed to do is recreate God's outdoors in your closet, or wherever, indoors. In nature, plants that lose their leaves don't thrive. Ergo, don't pluck them. You don't pluck houseplants like that. Provide the plant with what it need, and unless its buggy or fungal, keep your pea-pickers off the darn thing. Sit back, relax, and let it grow.
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Welcome to the world of DWC.If ya get a bubbleponics unit from stealth hydro ..you will have a system exactly like Roseman and I.:leaf:
Any questions you got on it can be posted here and i promise you that we will do the best we can for you!Best of Luck...PUrP:weed:
 
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AkPapaGanja

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Thanks, guys. I just want to share what little knowledge I picked up over the year. RM, I won't take it personal, I'm just trying to find where to fit in.
I liked the first bubbler I made so much, I stole another tub from my wife, and made a second. I drilled a mess of holes in the bottom of my 6" pots and transferred my little girls into them from the grodan cubes they were in. To avoid ripping roots, left them pretty much as they were and flopped them into their new homes. Topped off with my clay pellets, I think it will work. This site has been a wealth of info for me. It is nice to not be the first one down the trail, as it were. Thanks for the info, guys
Happy Trails...
 
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