Drio
Well-Known Member
Ive bin an active reader of the site for about a half year now and ill say there is no site or book like this place.
It has provided me with endless amount of information and i have developed addiction to growing that far exceeds my previous obsession with opium or cannabis.
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Ive bin wondering for a long time how size of containers affect the roots and if there was a general relation between size of the plant and the surface the roots cover.
Generally speaking Outdoor plants will produce significantly more buds than an indoor plant and to achieve even comparable results one would be forced to Veg for months and it would still not compare. I always thought this was the cause of multiple factors such as constant exposure to UVB and perhaps ranges of light unreachable by a mere lamp. The sun is of course the ideal grow light for a plant as its bin the source for billions of years - But many varieties of MH/HPS/UVB bulbs could produce much better results at all frequencies than the sun.
Other than the sun it could be the air but then again , - an indoor room could easily mimic if not enhance the atmosphere ( CO2 Systems ).
Im left with no other explanation but the size of the plants root complex. - It is something that can never be done indoor as a 1500g yielding strain is likely to have roots extending dozens of meters in all direction under ground.
Its true that hydroponic implications are capable of providing the plant with more than enough nutrients and water but i have concluded this irrelevant cause given enough nutrient strength the roots would grow till it becomes so compact it would break the container with pressure. - You might be thinking : "Well obviously" but is it really that obvious?
If you look at plants grown by the top quality cultivators of the world their sheer size is an indication of difference. - The cannabis cup entries are most often grown in 85 liter containers and they yield 500-600g while taking equal if not less time than the average 140g hydroponic grower.
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The larger and more complex a root system becomes the more capable the plant will be at water and nutrient uptake but we have already covered that - Nutrients and Water uptake can be easily enhanced with Hydroponics so this is clearly not a bottleneck the plants are struggling with -
The only explanation im left with is the size and density of a root complex is directly linked to the cytokinin ( Hormone that increases cell division ) release of the plant. - It is the only logical explanation for such significant size and production difference.
Size matters and a hydroponic system will never give the plant sufficient space to grow a root complex comparable to.... well yes - the earth.
Obvious... Maybe to some but i have more things to ponder :S
Coco peat is a relatively new medium to a relatively new method of growing ( Hydro ) and so far it is performing exceptionally well with a number of "Coco" fan clubs appearing everywhere -__- ( WTF <.< )
This is interesting because the Coconut tree produces insane amounts of cytokinin in the actual fruit or simply the "Coconut" and that is what the coco medium is made from.
Is it possible to feed your plant directly with Cytokinin? I searched around and found no hint of such hormones being added to you average nutrient mixes and i wondered if this was simply just to "common" for them to even mention it.
I would not be surprised if performance of Coco mediums is only due to the high amount of raw cytokinin present in the soil but if that is true then Cytokinin CAN be directly fed to you plant , at least to some amount.
A grower who enhances everything and removes all bottlenecks with CO2 , Hydro , Insane lights and complex nutrient mixes should be able to increase the cell division of the plant speeding up growth progress to the point where the plants hits another bottleneck by simply feeding his plant Cytokinin.
Cytokinin is released depending on how much the plants root system is capable of. - A plant whos root system extends dozens of meters in all direction will be capable of much more nutrient and water absorption and thus will release much more cytokinin which will cause the plants cell division to increase resulting in MUCH faster growth.
Plant growth speed is directly if not solely based on its roots capabilities. - Hydroponics limit the root growth of a plant to the size of the container and the plant can only work with the amount of space it is given. You could argue that the plants makes up for root length with density but it is still limited to the space its given. - The plants evolved to spread its roots and their "programming" simply does not allow it to grow roots of "Endless lengths :0" within compact containers, - Its got to stop or slow down when it is faced with lack of space.
It would be VERY interesting to see if feeding plants with nutrients from coco such as the milk or adding coco meat to the medium.
Has anyone tried this ? - It would be an interesting research >.<
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It has provided me with endless amount of information and i have developed addiction to growing that far exceeds my previous obsession with opium or cannabis.
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To the topic ,-
Ive bin wondering for a long time how size of containers affect the roots and if there was a general relation between size of the plant and the surface the roots cover.
Generally speaking Outdoor plants will produce significantly more buds than an indoor plant and to achieve even comparable results one would be forced to Veg for months and it would still not compare. I always thought this was the cause of multiple factors such as constant exposure to UVB and perhaps ranges of light unreachable by a mere lamp. The sun is of course the ideal grow light for a plant as its bin the source for billions of years - But many varieties of MH/HPS/UVB bulbs could produce much better results at all frequencies than the sun.
Other than the sun it could be the air but then again , - an indoor room could easily mimic if not enhance the atmosphere ( CO2 Systems ).
Im left with no other explanation but the size of the plants root complex. - It is something that can never be done indoor as a 1500g yielding strain is likely to have roots extending dozens of meters in all direction under ground.
Its true that hydroponic implications are capable of providing the plant with more than enough nutrients and water but i have concluded this irrelevant cause given enough nutrient strength the roots would grow till it becomes so compact it would break the container with pressure. - You might be thinking : "Well obviously" but is it really that obvious?
If you look at plants grown by the top quality cultivators of the world their sheer size is an indication of difference. - The cannabis cup entries are most often grown in 85 liter containers and they yield 500-600g while taking equal if not less time than the average 140g hydroponic grower.
-
The larger and more complex a root system becomes the more capable the plant will be at water and nutrient uptake but we have already covered that - Nutrients and Water uptake can be easily enhanced with Hydroponics so this is clearly not a bottleneck the plants are struggling with -
The only explanation im left with is the size and density of a root complex is directly linked to the cytokinin ( Hormone that increases cell division ) release of the plant. - It is the only logical explanation for such significant size and production difference.
Size matters and a hydroponic system will never give the plant sufficient space to grow a root complex comparable to.... well yes - the earth.
Obvious... Maybe to some but i have more things to ponder :S
Coco peat is a relatively new medium to a relatively new method of growing ( Hydro ) and so far it is performing exceptionally well with a number of "Coco" fan clubs appearing everywhere -__- ( WTF <.< )
This is interesting because the Coconut tree produces insane amounts of cytokinin in the actual fruit or simply the "Coconut" and that is what the coco medium is made from.
Is it possible to feed your plant directly with Cytokinin? I searched around and found no hint of such hormones being added to you average nutrient mixes and i wondered if this was simply just to "common" for them to even mention it.
I would not be surprised if performance of Coco mediums is only due to the high amount of raw cytokinin present in the soil but if that is true then Cytokinin CAN be directly fed to you plant , at least to some amount.
A grower who enhances everything and removes all bottlenecks with CO2 , Hydro , Insane lights and complex nutrient mixes should be able to increase the cell division of the plant speeding up growth progress to the point where the plants hits another bottleneck by simply feeding his plant Cytokinin.
Cytokinin is released depending on how much the plants root system is capable of. - A plant whos root system extends dozens of meters in all direction will be capable of much more nutrient and water absorption and thus will release much more cytokinin which will cause the plants cell division to increase resulting in MUCH faster growth.
Plant growth speed is directly if not solely based on its roots capabilities. - Hydroponics limit the root growth of a plant to the size of the container and the plant can only work with the amount of space it is given. You could argue that the plants makes up for root length with density but it is still limited to the space its given. - The plants evolved to spread its roots and their "programming" simply does not allow it to grow roots of "Endless lengths :0" within compact containers, - Its got to stop or slow down when it is faced with lack of space.
It would be VERY interesting to see if feeding plants with nutrients from coco such as the milk or adding coco meat to the medium.
Has anyone tried this ? - It would be an interesting research >.<
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