Rootbound : More likely when fed poorly ... or fed well ?

smokinrav said:

That's not how it works. You made the claim, you prove it. Thanks for playing.

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Here learn something

smokinrav said:

Really? I posted two links backing up what I said. Your just an Internet asshole with tech you paid money for embarrassed that you wasted it. Fuck off. Unwatched. Sorry op, what I said is accurate. Good luck trying to use Blumat outdoors.

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actually both links said nothing about what i brought up but nice try?
first link yes roots search for water wow what an eye opener that was not sure i would have figured it out myself.
second link says nothing about needing wet and dry periods, so once again nice try.
do some research on a blumat you might actually learn something

hey

smokinrav said:

Really? I posted two links backing up what I said. Your just an Internet asshole with tech you paid money for embarrassed that you wasted it. Fuck off. Unwatched. Sorry op, what I said is accurate. Good luck trying to use Blumat outdoors.

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i just asked if what you claim is true how does a blumat work so good?
and you got super butt hurt cause you were clearly wrong
sorry for offending you wasn't my intention
just trying to get the right info out to the masses
cannabis down NOT need a dry period.
but it can't be too wet or to dry.

M'kay then ...
... let's settle down a bit with the bun fight shall we ?

So I just read up briefly on Blumat

Frankly, I'm not the one to buy commercial products.

( I'm a beg, borrower, or a do it myselfer )

But here's 30 seconds worth of google search cut & paste research:

• Let soil dry in between waterings. When soil is saturated, it can’t breathe effectively; as it dries up, the roots pull oxygen in. Dry periods between waterings are essential for oxygen absorption.

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To the surprise of many rookie growers, plants actually take up oxygen by respiring through their roots. This process is essential for the creation of ATP (Adenosine triphosphate), a molecule that helps transport chemical energy throughout a plant. Without enough oxygen, plants can’t move energy throughout their organism and essentially starve.

If you’re growing in soil, a big part of providing a plant’s roots with enough oxygen is proper watering. Overwatering essentially drowns your plant’s roots, which not only starves it of energy but also creates a breeding ground for pathogens. Hence, we always recommend letting your plant’s soil dry out between waterings

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This - below - is what I came to learn to add to my knowledge ... not a Sears Catalogue ...

smokinrav said:

Roots grow in search of moisture, not nutrients. That's why a dry cycle is necessary in soil growing. As the soil dries, roots grow, plant growth slows. Water when the soil is dry and roots slow because they're not looking for water, and plant growth explodes. This is the circle of container life.

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@smokinrav for the win !!!

TaoRich said:

M'kay then ...
... let's settle down a bit with the bun fight shall we ?

So I just read up briefly on Blumat

Frankly, I'm not the one to buy commercial products.

( I'm a beg, borrower, or a do it myselfer )

But here's 30 seconds worth of google search cut & paste research:

Identifying bud rot, mold, and root rot on marijuana plants

Bud rot, root rot, and mold can wreak havoc on your marijuana plants. Learn how to identify these issues and what you can do to avoid them when growing marijuana.

www.leafly.com

Healthy Roots – The Key To Healthy Cannabis Plants - RQS Blog

Roots are the heart of your cannabis plant. If you want a great harvestm you'll want to do everything you can to keep them healthy.

www.royalqueenseeds.com

This - below - is what I came to learn to add to my knowledge ... not a Sears Catalogue ...



@smokinrav for the win !!!

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that's why you put perlite in your mix or some other aeration product
I'm not saying roots don't need oxygen im saying they don't need wet and dry periods.
blumsts keep plants at your desired moisture level that you set. No dry periods period, yet the plants grow better and are much happier than when hand watered.
so yes its a myth that cannabis needs a dry period as long as you have some type of aeration in your mix. If you looked at the link i provided you would see a 500+ page thread over the last ten years of people using these with tremendous success. Do you think everyone on there is lying?
just fyi blumats save countless hours of hand watering ask anyone who has used them

Yea the dry out phase is another one of the many bro science that’s been passed around the forums for decades and posted as fact by many people. Consistent watering that keeps the soil at the proper moisture is ideal. This is why watering systems like blumats are so effective and have been shown to improve quality in yield when applied to cannabis horticulture situations. I say this in regards to growing in soil

Growitpondifarm said:

Yea the dry out phase is another one of the many bro science that’s been passed around the forums for decades and posted as fact by many people. Consistent watering that keeps the soil at the proper moisture is ideal. This is why watering systems like blumats are so effective and have been shown to improve quality in yield when applied to cannabis horticulture situations. I say this in regards to growing in soil

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hey i used to believe the myth as well. Until i saw what these things do, not only am i not tethered to a watering can every couple days the plants are much happier and grow better. These things sense the moisture in each individual plant and let each plant dictate how much water it gets....much better than a regular drip system that feeds every plant the same amount of water on timed intervals so the biggest and smallest plants get the same feeding? How's that make sense?
but ya like taorich posted above to prove me wrong if leafly says it it must be true....lol
taorich should either try a blumat himself or talk to anyone who has and I'm sure he would change his view just like everyone else who has used them.

TaoRich said:

M'kay then ...
... let's settle down a bit with the bun fight shall we ?

So I just read up briefly on Blumat

Frankly, I'm not the one to buy commercial products.

( I'm a beg, borrower, or a do it myselfer )

But here's 30 seconds worth of google search cut & paste research:

Identifying bud rot, mold, and root rot on marijuana plants

Bud rot, root rot, and mold can wreak havoc on your marijuana plants. Learn how to identify these issues and what you can do to avoid them when growing marijuana.

www.leafly.com

Healthy Roots – The Key To Healthy Cannabis Plants - RQS Blog

Roots are the heart of your cannabis plant. If you want a great harvestm you'll want to do everything you can to keep them healthy.

www.royalqueenseeds.com

This - below - is what I came to learn to add to my knowledge ... not a Sears Catalogue ...



@smokinrav for the win !!!

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i just read this informed post on another forum and it made me think of this thread
i couldn't have put it better

A GOLDIELOCKS OF A MOISTURE ZONE
Hand-watered gardens or those on timers go through fluctuations of moisture levels.
If you water in the morning for example, it is likely your plants are over-watered for the beginning hours of the day.
They are not in optimal growth/metabolism, and likely won’t be for several hours.
Then as moisture levels get optimal toward the middle of the day, your plants begin to grow rapidly.
As the soil dries toward the end of the day, plants slow growth as they work to conserve water supply.
Instead of going through a daily cycle where optimal growth is achieved for only a few hours a day,
Blumat systems keep your soil in the “Goldi-Locks” Zone all the time.
That interprets into bigger plants in shorter periods of time, and increased yields.
When you are moving in/out of the Goldi-Locks zone, you are wasting precious time and opportunity.
Blumats minimize moisture swings, and you will see that this translate into constantly-vigorous growth and flowering.

Thanks for the input.

Can I repeat myself once again.

I'm not in the market to buy Blumat or any commercial product.

In doing a green grow. Organic food, and out of the pushy salesman commercial loop.

When you are moving in/out of the Goldi-Locks zone, you are wasting precious time and opportunity.

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Pretty condescending and borderline judgmental.

I'm never going to be anyone's customer.

Just stay out of my wallet.

TaoRich said:

Thanks for the input.

Can I repeat myself once again.

I'm not in the market to buy Blumat or any commercial product.

In doing a green grow. Organic food, and out of the pushy salesman commercial loop.



Pretty condescending and borderline judgmental.

I'm never going to be anyone's customer.

Just stay out of my wallet.

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lol
yes organics all the way nothing beats feeding just plain water and ending up with exceptional buds.
hand watered for long time nothing wrong with it, just gets time consuming after awhile
not trying to get you to buy anything, post was just pointing out that keeping moisture in the sweet spot gives you optimal growth throutout your grow cycle. Guess that's why hydro consistently gets better yields than soil and soil less

What happens if you watered by hand say every day in a 5 gallon pot. Say vegged for 6 weeks. So 10 colas about 2 ‘ high. How much water approx? In living soil thanks.

Yall bickering is silly. There are plenty of methods and watering techniques that work just fine.

I used blumats outdoor successfully for years. They are specifically designed to be used outdoor. Now I use a drip system on a timer and I like it alot more. Both can work well if you know what you are doing. BOTH work way better than hand watering, without question.

Drybacks are useful in certain mediums...certainly not helpful in living organic soil, but in rockwool doing precision irrigation dry backs can be used to the farmers benefit. Different mediums require different watering practices...there is no one size fits all.

Yeah... so this is why forums, especially this one, are garbage. People stating ill-informed opinion and projecting it as fact. Based on opinion websites and leafly!?

Plants dont need a dry period. They need oxygen at the root level. If your only way to get air into the soil is to let it dry completely, you aren't helping your plants...

P10p said:

Plants dont need a dry period. They need oxygen at the root level. If your only way to get air into the soil is to let it dry completely, you aren't helping your plants...

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If you look into Crop Steering, you can understand why dry backs can be useful for certain mediums like rockwool, but this is definitely not a technique suited for the organic section lol.

JustBlazin said:

i just read this informed post on another forum and it made me think of this thread
i couldn't have put it better

A GOLDIELOCKS OF A MOISTURE ZONE
Hand-watered gardens or those on timers go through fluctuations of moisture levels.
If you water in the morning for example, it is likely your plants are over-watered for the beginning hours of the day.
They are not in optimal growth/metabolism, and likely won’t be for several hours.
Then as moisture levels get optimal toward the middle of the day, your plants begin to grow rapidly.
As the soil dries toward the end of the day, plants slow growth as they work to conserve water supply.
Instead of going through a daily cycle where optimal growth is achieved for only a few hours a day,
Blumat systems keep your soil in the “Goldi-Locks” Zone all the time.
That interprets into bigger plants in shorter periods of time, and increased yields.
When you are moving in/out of the Goldi-Locks zone, you are wasting precious time and opportunity.
Blumats minimize moisture swings, and you will see that this translate into constantly-vigorous growth and flowering.

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The goldilocks zone would be a "3" according to this article: https://www.greenhousecanada.com/a-plant-centered-approach-to-watering/

thanks northwood, great find, thats an amazing article with actual research from a university, its about time this wet/dry myth gets put to bed.

"We know that moisture stress and dry/wet cycling produces less root mass and branching, not more. This is confirmed by close-to-home research at the University of Guelph."
my plants sure seem alot happier since they haven't left the goldilocks zone