Romney Flip Flops again

Dr Kynes

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umm... that wasn't the "church". It was individual members acting on their own. The church never officially sanctioned nor did it provide funding for Prop. H8te.

Now, can we get back on topic?
even through the rage truth shines like a beacon in your eyes.

shit i think your turning me gay homey.

budge over, theres a Meredith Baxter Birney movie on Lifetime. I'm inB4 somebody steals her baby.
 

kelly4

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even through the rage truth shines like a beacon in your eyes.

shit i think your turning me gay homey.

budge over, theres a Meredith Baxter Birney movie on Lifetime. I'm inB4 somebody steals her baby.
OUCH! LOL! Beer just shot out my nose.







I better go smoke up....again.
 

Carne Seca

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even through the rage truth shines like a beacon in your eyes.

shit i think your turning me gay homey.

budge over, theres a Meredith Baxter Birney movie on Lifetime. I'm inB4 somebody steals her baby.
LOL One way or the other I will convert you.
 

ChesusRice

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Everyone's got an opinion about Proposition 8, the proposed amendment to the state Constitution to outlaw same-sex marriage. Plenty of people and organizations are voting with their pocketbooks, both from within and from outside California.
Now comes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which grabbed some TV time in Utah to urge the 770,000 Mormon church members in California to weigh in on the matter. Here's the story from the Associated Press:
Two members of the church's second-highest governing body, the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, quoted from Mormon scripture on the sanctity of marriage as they laid out a week-by-week strategy for boosting Mormon involvement before the Nov. 4 election in voter registration efforts, phone banks and distributing campaign materials.
“What we're about is the work of the Lord, and He will bless you for your involvement,” apostle M. Russell Ballard said during the hour-long meeting, which was broadcast to church buildings in California, Utah, Hawaii and Idaho.
So far, Proposition 8 supporters have poured $19,778,208 to outlaw same-sex marriage, about $1.6 million more than opponents of the measure. Add the two sides together and that's about $38 million. Imagine the good it could be doing elsewhere.
The rest of the Associated Press story is after the jump.
-- Veronique de Turenne

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/10/now-the-mormon.html
 

ChesusRice

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Mormons have been active participants in the campaign both as volunteers and financial contributors, giving an estimated 43 percent — some $8.4 million — to the Proposition 8 campaign, according to the Web site mormonsfor8.com. There are about 770,000 Mormon church members in California, but Mormons from outside the state have been encouraged to give money and time to help pass the measure.
During Wednesday's taped satellite broadcast, church leaders asked for 30 members from each California congregation to donate four hours a week to the campaign. They also called on young married couples and single Mormons to use the Internet, text messaging, blogging and other forms of computer technology to help pass the initiative, saying the church has created a new Web site — PreservingMarriage.org — with materials they can download and post on their own social networking sites.
Church elder L. Whitney Clayton, who has been working as a liaison between the LDS leaders and the Proposition 8 campaign, said before the event that it was meant to energize Mormons for the weeks remaining before Election Day.
“It's a political campaign, and time is short and there's a lot to do.”
Along with recruiting Mormons to work in California, church members from outside the state have been asked to call friends and family at home in California to encourage support for the measure, according to Clayton. He said many students attending church-owned universities have asked how they might help and could be enlisted to make calls.
 

Dr Kynes

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Mormons have been active participants in the campaign both as volunteers and financial contributors, giving an estimated 43 percent — some $8.4 million — to the Proposition 8 campaign, according to the Web site mormonsfor8.com. There are about 770,000 Mormon church members in California, but Mormons from outside the state have been encouraged to give money and time to help pass the measure.
During Wednesday's taped satellite broadcast, church leaders asked for 30 members from each California congregation to donate four hours a week to the campaign. They also called on young married couples and single Mormons to use the Internet, text messaging, blogging and other forms of computer technology to help pass the initiative, saying the church has created a new Web site — PreservingMarriage.org — with materials they can download and post on their own social networking sites.
Church elder L. Whitney Clayton, who has been working as a liaison between the LDS leaders and the Proposition 8 campaign, said before the event that it was meant to energize Mormons for the weeks remaining before Election Day.
“It's a political campaign, and time is short and there's a lot to do.”
Along with recruiting Mormons to work in California, church members from outside the state have been asked to call friends and family at home in California to encourage support for the measure, according to Clayton. He said many students attending church-owned universities have asked how they might help and could be enlisted to make calls.
How Dare They!!!

imagine, having views and beliefs not approved by the DNC??? and ACTING on those views as if they were somehow... Citizens!!! So Shameful!!

in the final tally, the yes on H8 side racked up about 800k more than the "Ok To Be Takei" side. but despite my personal weighty appeals to the contrary, one of my brothers and my mom (who is mormom like white bread and water) voted for the Proposition H8

while over here on the Sulu Side, i finally voted the same way as my lefty brother for the first time in a decade or more.

even in the most liberal state in the nation, prop 8 passed with a comfortable margin despite the relatively even hand applied by out of state financiers, since the money difference was like 1% in favor of H8, but all the celebrity endorsements were shitting all over the proposition to ensure homos dont get uppity again. the people spoke, and apparently even in california we prefer to keep our balls from touching, at least outside of san francisco. i dont agree with it, and i dont much like it, but i cant bitch too much we did pass the nation's first medical cannabis law, and prop H8 doesnt do shit except verify the status quo, and piss off the homosexual lobby who are right now attempting to use their mindcontrol rays and Will and Grace to turn me gay and force me to get gay married to harvey firestien. .
 

Dr Kynes

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If he forced you (or tried) wouldnt that make you the woman?
well you obviously aint very country.

shotgun weddings are usually performed under the shooting guns of the extremely knocked up bride's kinfolk, which would make the non-voluntary participant the dude.

but forced gay marriage would im sure be different. more like a game show. spin the big wheel and see who youll be getting gay married to and how the service will be performed, then a three judge panel will score you and and your "partner on various criterion like Fabulousness, Emontional Outbursts, Drama, and Abdominals. the duo with the highest scoring nuptuals goes on the the finals for a chance to win a dream honeymoon to, like mallorca or fire island or something.
 

Carne Seca

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only for you will I not display my bashing of this religion that thought of me as a curse, but it's taking a lot for me not to do so.
Mr. londonfog, sir. I'm the last one that will ask you to censor your speech. You have every right to bash our racist policies of the past. I speak out against the church's stance on marriage equality. I would expect no less from you. The only thing I have a problem with are blatant distortions of the truth or outright lies. I try and address them. I will never NEVER understand how a church can preach that we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father and how he is "no respecter of persons" and still ban people from the Priesthood. I didn't know about it until the church announced it in 1978 that "Blacks" could now have the priesthood. I was 16 at the time and attending a youth conference. I remember people crying and hugging each other. How it was fulfillment of prophecy. I thought to myself, "What the fuck???" I grew up in a multi-racial family and was taught that all men are equal. Then I find out about this. I left the church for close to 20 years.

What finally brought me back was Gladys Knight. I attended a talk she gave in church while living in SLC. It touched my heart and I came back. With an ache in my heart. The church I love(d) was responsible for creating pain and division. I'm still reconciling. It's going to take a while.
 

FreedomWorks

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Mr. londonfog, sir. I'm the last one that will ask you to censor your speech. You have every right to bash our racist policies of the past. I speak out against the church's stance on marriage equality. I would expect no less from you. The only thing I have a problem with are blatant distortions of the truth or outright lies. I try and address them. I will never NEVER understand how a church can preach that we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father and how he is "no respecter of persons" and still ban people from the Priesthood. I didn't know about it until the church announced it in 1978 that "Blacks" could now have the priesthood. I was 16 at the time and attending a youth conference. I remember people crying and hugging each other. How it was fulfillment of prophecy. I thought to myself, "What the fuck???" I grew up in a multi-racial family and was taught that all men are equal. Then I find out about this. I left the church for close to 20 years.

What finally brought me back was Gladys Knight. I attended a talk she gave in church while living in SLC. It touched my heart and I came back. With an ache in my heart. The church I love(d) was responsible for creating pain and division. I'm still reconciling. It's going to take a while.
You're gay. Now all of the sudden Romney is the nominee and now you are not a mormon anymore.
Sounds like you put party before religion. May your god have mercy on your soul.
 

Carne Seca

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I would love to know what she said. cn
It was very spiritual. Her son joined the church and then she started taking the lessons and joined herself. She's a member now. She spoke of forgiveness and healing from the past.

You're gay. Now all of the sudden Romney is the nominee and now you are not a mormon anymore.
Sounds like you put party before religion. May your god have mercy on your soul.
LOL You have so little understanding of LDS doctrine and culture. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I put the teachings of Christ ahead of Church, Party, Country and family. I will vote my conscience. O'Bama has a platform of compassion, empathy and true Christian charity. Romney has lost his way. He is a terrible representation of our faith.

No need to worry for my soul. It's in good hands.
 

FreedomWorks

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It was very spiritual. Her son joined the church and then she started taking the lessons and joined herself. She's a member now. She spoke of forgiveness and healing from the past.



LOL You have so little understanding of LDS doctrine and culture. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I put the teachings of Christ ahead of Church, Party, Country and family. I will vote my conscience. O'Bama has a platform of compassion, empathy and true Christian charity. Romney has lost his way. He is a terrible representation of our faith.

No need to worry for my soul. It's in good hands.
Are you sure Ohbama will save you're soul? I'm not so sure Obama's church is inclusive to both white and black people. You can talk about Mormons 1978 all you want, but the truth is, Obama's friend and pastor who baptized his children preaches racial hatred.


[video=youtube;ySM63ES8t4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySM63ES8t4U&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
 

Carne Seca

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Are you sure Ohbama will save you're soul? I'm not so sure Obama's church is inclusive to both white and black people. You can talk about Mormons 1978 all you want, but the truth is, Obama's friend and pastor who baptized his children preaches racial hatred.
*your

Really? O'Bama's mother is white. Seriously?
 

FreedomWorks

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*your

Really? O'Bama's mother is white. Seriously?
Not only that, Obama's father gave him just enough pigmentation of the skin to allow acceptance to Jeremiah Wright's church. Had Obama married a white women, then that would be a different story. Jeremiah Wright would not have baptized Obama's children if that were the situation.
What troubles me, is that you don't see this as hate speech:

[video=youtube;vdJB-qkfUHc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdJB-qkfUHc&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
 

FreedomWorks

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"Jeremiah Wright represents the best of what the black church has to offer" -Barack Obama

[video=youtube;Fh7xMhsLnac]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7xMhsLnac&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
 

Carne Seca

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Someone needs to tell the white members of his congregation they're not supposed to be there. You're talking to a multi-racial gay man. I have empathy for the plight of Black America.

Did you actually watch his sermon? He talks about loving your enemy and not being reduced to their level of hatred, bigotry and small mindedness. Something you could take a lesson from.
 
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