Right pot specific space

Hi guys,
As i am new in the forum, i start with an hi to everyone!
I will start soon a new project. It will be 2 separate growing rooms in a closet.
Each room is around 7sqf, with couple of viparspectra 300w.
As i just have 4ft in height, with a total maximum space of 20" for the plant to grow (excluding pot height, distance from light etc.), i was considering to go for a SOG, turning on flowering when 8" or so.
Now my question is, buying a 1,7g pot i can fit 8 pots each room having a bit of space around and in beetwin. It will work for the size i need? Or should i go for a bigger pot, reducing the ammount of them?
 
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.... Soil will be 70% coco and 30% perlite. Unfortunateli first 2 batch from seeds and then planning to clone for better results.
Thank you guys for any help!
 

coreywebster

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Yeah that will work. You never know how much stretch your going to get with an unknown strain so you will have to see how it goes.
The other option would be to scrog, but the turn around would be longer.

Remember coco is not soil and should not be treated like soil. Keep your ph 5.8-6.2. Feed every watering apart from early seedling stage.

Welcome to RIU
 
Yeah that will work. You never know how much stretch your going to get with an unknown strain so you will have to see how it goes.
The other option would be to scrog, but the turn around would be longer.

Remember coco is not soil and should not be treated like soil. Keep your ph 5.8-6.2. Feed every watering apart from early seedling stage.

Welcome to RIU
Yes i know, it's gonna be cross fingers about the eight anyway. But i'll do my best to decrese the percentage against me.. Lol (if i have just coupke of them stretching too much, i can always apply a light LST too). Thanx brother!
 

kratos015

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Hi guys,
As i am new in the forum, i start with an hi to everyone!
I will start soon a new project. It will be 2 separate growing rooms in a closet.
Each room is around 7sqf, with couple of viparspectra 300w.
As i just have 4ft in height, with a total maximum space of 20" for the plant to grow (excluding pot height, distance from light etc.), i was considering to go for a SOG, turning on flowering when 8" or so.
Now my question is, buying a 1,7g pot i can fit 8 pots each room having a bit of space around and in beetwin. It will work for the size i need? Or should i go for a bigger pot, reducing the ammount of them?
Those Viparspectra lights are junk, only ~100 true watts. It'll work, though the results will be subpar at best even if the plants are only 1-1.5ft tall. I wouldn't recommend plants taller than 1.5ft with that light, definitely not going to be enough unfortunately. Indicas need ~40-50w per sqft and sativas need 60-75w per sqft for optimal growth. Exchange the lights for something else if you can, otherwise I'll tell you what I'd do in your shoes with the equipment you've already got.

Rooms are roughly 4ft in height, not much room but definitely doable. Go with sativa hybrids for your situation, something like Blue Dream or Amnesia Lemon or anything along those lines. Sativas don't need as much veg time as indicas do because sativas will stretch more in flower, which is something you'll want to take advantage of. Start your seeds/clones in 2-3g pots max, veg them until they're 1ft tall and then switch to 12/12 lighting. Sativa/Sativa hybrids double to triple in size, depending on the strain. If you grow them to 1/2 ft tall, they'll stretch to anywhere between 1-2ft tall which is absolutely perfect for your situation seeing as your lights aren't very powerful and you only have a 4ft tall roof to use. If you want 2-3ft tall plants then new lights will certainly be mandatory.

Each 7sqft room should have 4 plants each, at least that's what I'd do in your shoes. But unless you get more light going in there you'll probably be best off sticking to 1-2 plants per room, 100w of light really isn't very much unfortunately. Get more lights if you can, literally any kind that you can afford will be better than nothing.. even floros/CFLs will help!

I'd also recommend starting a grow journal, that way you can ask questions as they pop up and it will increase your chances of success.

Good luck.
 
Those Viparspectra lights are junk, only ~100 true watts. It'll work, though the results will be subpar at best even if the plants are only 1-1.5ft tall. I wouldn't recommend plants taller than 1.5ft with that light, definitely not going to be enough unfortunately. Indicas need ~40-50w per sqft and sativas need 60-75w per sqft for optimal growth. Exchange the lights for something else if you can, otherwise I'll tell you what I'd do in your shoes with the equipment you've already got.

Rooms are roughly 4ft in height, not much room but definitely doable. Go with sativa hybrids for your situation, something like Blue Dream or Amnesia Lemon or anything along those lines. Sativas don't need as much veg time as indicas do because sativas will stretch more in flower, which is something you'll want to take advantage of. Start your seeds/clones in 2-3g pots max, veg them until they're 1ft tall and then switch to 12/12 lighting. Sativa/Sativa hybrids double to triple in size, depending on the strain. If you grow them to 1/2 ft tall, they'll stretch to anywhere between 1-2ft tall which is absolutely perfect for your situation seeing as your lights aren't very powerful and you only have a 4ft tall roof to use. If you want 2-3ft tall plants then new lights will certainly be mandatory.

Each 7sqft room should have 4 plants each, at least that's what I'd do in your shoes. But unless you get more light going in there you'll probably be best off sticking to 1-2 plants per room, 100w of light really isn't very much unfortunately. Get more lights if you can, literally any kind that you can afford will be better than nothing.. even floros/CFLs will help!

I'd also recommend starting a grow journal, that way you can ask questions as they pop up and it will increase your chances of success.

Good luck.
The real space for every grow area its actually 100cm X 50cm (or 40"x20" - 5,38sqf exactly) in that space i will put two of the light, so each light needs to cover roughly 20"x20" inches area.
I saw few review showing that they are good for this space (of course not more).
So you saying even two lights in a such small area and short plants will be not enought?

Using your numbers, and sharing the space between the 2 lamps, we get 2,7sqf por each light (which is 136 real watts) 136/2,7 is 50w por sqf as you recommend.
I'm missing something?
Thank you for the help Bró!
 
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The real space for every grow area its actually 100cm X 50cm (or 40"x20" - 5,38sqf exactly) in that space i will put two of the light, so each light needs to cover roughly 20"x20" inches area.
I saw few review showing that they are good for this space (of course not more).
So you saying even two lights in a such small area and short plants will be not enought?

Using your numbers, and sharing the space between the 2 lamps, we get 2,7sqf por each light (which is 136 real watts) 136/2,7 is 50w por sqf as you recommend.
I'm missing something?
Thank piùu for the help Bró!
Also i am assuming that you know better then me, but i am confused, because no one of the lot of articles and user reviews i saw about this light says it express only 100w out of 300.
 

bk78

Well-Known Member
Also i am assuming that you know better then me, but i am confused, because no one of the lot of articles and user reviews i saw about this light says it express only 100w out of 300.

Good for 1.5’x1.5’ area max in flower.
 

kratos015

Well-Known Member
The real space for every grow area its actually 100cm X 50cm (or 40"x20" - 5,38sqf exactly) in that space i will put two of the light, so each light needs to cover roughly 20"x20" inches area.
I saw few review showing that they are good for this space (of course not more).
So you saying even two lights in a such small area and short plants will be not enought?

Using your numbers, and sharing the space between the 2 lamps, we get 2,7sqf por each light (which is 136 real watts) 136/2,7 is 50w por sqf as you recommend.
I'm missing something?
Thank you for the help Bró!
Glad to be of service.

You are indeed correct though, if you only put two plants underneath each light then you will have the required wattage necessary for your plants to grow properly. 2 lights in one of those rooms would provide enough light for a single room for sure.

Those lights can grow plants for sure, it's just that you won't get the same growth that you would from an HPS/DE/CMH/Cree or COB lights.

The reason is because the diodes on the blurple lights are incredibly weak when compared to the aforementioned sources of light. Blurple lights cover a small light footprint, and their penetration power is incredibly weak.

When it comes to selecting lights, people always account for the square footage of the light footprint but don't take into account the actual penetration power of the light. Single ended HPS bulbs and CMH bulbs have roughly 2.5-4ft of penetration power, depending on wattage. COB/Cree LEDs will provide 3-4ft of light penetration, again depending on wattage, and DE's provide 4-6ft of penetration.

The blurples, however, will give you 1-1.5ft of light penetration at best. But with all of that said, since you're working with 4ft of height this light is actually a pretty good option for you. I'm just against blurples because the companies are deceptive (only outlining "true" wattage in the fine print) and because of how much money they cost when compared to other lights. While this light is perfect for your situation, many growers are deceived by these companies into thinking they'll get similar results to HPS/etc bulbs.

This light will actually work out quite well for your particular situation since you're working with ~4ft of height, however as the math pointed out you'll only be able to grow 2 plants per Viparspectra light due to the lower wattage it has. You can grow more than 2 per light, but the results will be sub-optimal at best as the plants will not be getting enough light.

If money isn't an issue, I'd definitely recommend getting a couple more lights. One extra light for each room. That would allow you to grow out more plants because you'd have enough light to cover your entire footprint and so long as you don't let the plants get taller than 2ft then you'll be totally fine!

Make sure to start a journal when you can. There's lots of helpful and knowledgeable folks on here that are more than happy to lend a hand!


I personally have never used one but I’ve heard they can grow weed.
They definitely can grow plants, just like CFLs can grow plants. It's just a matter of how optimal the growth will be and how big the plants will be underneath these weaker light sources. If you look at reviews/grow journals you'll notice there are plenty of photos during veg, but you see pretty much nothing in flower. A handful of reviewers show finished plants, but they're no larger than 2ft tall at best and the buds don't get very large because they try to cram too many plants underneath them. Blurples, like CFLs can produce a decent harvest if you're only growing one or two plants. The problem is people try and squeeze too many plants under them, thinking that "light is light".

For grows like the OP these lights are great because they're meant for confined spaces that an HPS light would cause issues in such as excess heat and light burn.

But these assholes advertise these lights as "meant to replace traditional HPS" which is total bullshit. They're also devious about the "true" wattage, only mentioning it in the fine print. There are plenty of people that got these lights for 7-8ft tall grow tents only to be sorely disappointed with the results. An extra $20-$30 can get you a complete 600w set up; ballast, hangers, timer, reflector, and both HPS and MH bulbs. My 1000w DE cost me ~$190 and covers a 5x7 sqft area with 6ft of light penetration. Best bang for your buck, if you have the space and capacity to deal with the heat.

The pictures you see with good results have the "600w" versions, which are only 230 "true" watts a piece. While they do work and can provide decent results, they cost way too much money for what they provide. To me, $160 is a rip off for only 230w of light. Meanwhile, you can get a 315w CMH for $120 that provides you with more light and a significantly better spectrum.
 

bk78

Well-Known Member
Glad to be of service.

You are indeed correct though, if you only put two plants underneath each light then you will have the required wattage necessary for your plants to grow properly. 2 lights in one of those rooms would provide enough light for a single room for sure.

Those lights can grow plants for sure, it's just that you won't get the same growth that you would from an HPS/DE/CMH/Cree or COB lights.

The reason is because the diodes on the blurple lights are incredibly weak when compared to the aforementioned sources of light. Blurple lights cover a small light footprint, and their penetration power is incredibly weak.

When it comes to selecting lights, people always account for the square footage of the light footprint but don't take into account the actual penetration power of the light. Single ended HPS bulbs and CMH bulbs have roughly 2.5-4ft of penetration power, depending on wattage. COB/Cree LEDs will provide 3-4ft of light penetration, again depending on wattage, and DE's provide 4-6ft of penetration.

The blurples, however, will give you 1-1.5ft of light penetration at best. But with all of that said, since you're working with 4ft of height this light is actually a pretty good option for you. I'm just against blurples because the companies are deceptive (only outlining "true" wattage in the fine print) and because of how much money they cost when compared to other lights. While this light is perfect for your situation, many growers are deceived by these companies into thinking they'll get similar results to HPS/etc bulbs.

This light will actually work out quite well for your particular situation since you're working with ~4ft of height, however as the math pointed out you'll only be able to grow 2 plants per Viparspectra light due to the lower wattage it has. You can grow more than 2 per light, but the results will be sub-optimal at best as the plants will not be getting enough light.

If money isn't an issue, I'd definitely recommend getting a couple more lights. One extra light for each room. That would allow you to grow out more plants because you'd have enough light to cover your entire footprint and so long as you don't let the plants get taller than 2ft then you'll be totally fine!

Make sure to start a journal when you can. There's lots of helpful and knowledgeable folks on here that are more than happy to lend a hand!




They definitely can grow plants, just like CFLs can grow plants. It's just a matter of how optimal the growth will be and how big the plants will be underneath these weaker light sources. If you look at reviews/grow journals you'll notice there are plenty of photos during veg, but you see pretty much nothing in flower. A handful of reviewers show finished plants, but they're no larger than 2ft tall at best and the buds don't get very large because they try to cram too many plants underneath them. Blurples, like CFLs can produce a decent harvest if you're only growing one or two plants. The problem is people try and squeeze too many plants under them, thinking that "light is light".

For grows like the OP these lights are great because they're meant for confined spaces that an HPS light would cause issues in such as excess heat and light burn.

But these assholes advertise these lights as "meant to replace traditional HPS" which is total bullshit. They're also devious about the "true" wattage, only mentioning it in the fine print. There are plenty of people that got these lights for 7-8ft tall grow tents only to be sorely disappointed with the results. An extra $20-$30 can get you a complete 600w set up; ballast, hangers, timer, reflector, and both HPS and MH bulbs. My 1000w DE cost me ~$190 and covers a 5x7 sqft area with 6ft of light penetration. Best bang for your buck, if you have the space and capacity to deal with the heat.

The pictures you see with good results have the "600w" versions, which are only 230 "true" watts a piece. While they do work and can provide decent results, they cost way too much money for what they provide. To me, $160 is a rip off for only 230w of light. Meanwhile, you can get a 315w CMH for $120 that provides you with more light and a significantly better spectrum.

I rock 950 watts of quantum’s. I completely skipped the blurple phase thank fuck.
 
Glad to be of service.

You are indeed correct though, if you only put two plants underneath each light then you will have the required wattage necessary for your plants to grow properly. 2 lights in one of those rooms would provide enough light for a single room for sure.

Those lights can grow plants for sure, it's just that you won't get the same growth that you would from an HPS/DE/CMH/Cree or COB lights.

The reason is because the diodes on the blurple lights are incredibly weak when compared to the aforementioned sources of light. Blurple lights cover a small light footprint, and their penetration power is incredibly weak.

When it comes to selecting lights, people always account for the square footage of the light footprint but don't take into account the actual penetration power of the light. Single ended HPS bulbs and CMH bulbs have roughly 2.5-4ft of penetration power, depending on wattage. COB/Cree LEDs will provide 3-4ft of light penetration, again depending on wattage, and DE's provide 4-6ft of penetration.

The blurples, however, will give you 1-1.5ft of light penetration at best. But with all of that said, since you're working with 4ft of height this light is actually a pretty good option for you. I'm just against blurples because the companies are deceptive (only outlining "true" wattage in the fine print) and because of how much money they cost when compared to other lights. While this light is perfect for your situation, many growers are deceived by these companies into thinking they'll get similar results to HPS/etc bulbs.

This light will actually work out quite well for your particular situation since you're working with ~4ft of height, however as the math pointed out you'll only be able to grow 2 plants per Viparspectra light due to the lower wattage it has. You can grow more than 2 per light, but the results will be sub-optimal at best as the plants will not be getting enough light.

If money isn't an issue, I'd definitely recommend getting a couple more lights. One extra light for each room. That would allow you to grow out more plants because you'd have enough light to cover your entire footprint and so long as you don't let the plants get taller than 2ft then you'll be totally fine!

Make sure to start a journal when you can. There's lots of helpful and knowledgeable folks on here that are more than happy to lend a hand!




They definitely can grow plants, just like CFLs can grow plants. It's just a matter of how optimal the growth will be and how big the plants will be underneath these weaker light sources. If you look at reviews/grow journals you'll notice there are plenty of photos during veg, but you see pretty much nothing in flower. A handful of reviewers show finished plants, but they're no larger than 2ft tall at best and the buds don't get very large because they try to cram too many plants underneath them. Blurples, like CFLs can produce a decent harvest if you're only growing one or two plants. The problem is people try and squeeze too many plants under them, thinking that "light is light".

For grows like the OP these lights are great because they're meant for confined spaces that an HPS light would cause issues in such as excess heat and light burn.

But these assholes advertise these lights as "meant to replace traditional HPS" which is total bullshit. They're also devious about the "true" wattage, only mentioning it in the fine print. There are plenty of people that got these lights for 7-8ft tall grow tents only to be sorely disappointed with the results. An extra $20-$30 can get you a complete 600w set up; ballast, hangers, timer, reflector, and both HPS and MH bulbs. My 1000w DE cost me ~$190 and covers a 5x7 sqft area with 6ft of light penetration. Best bang for your buck, if you have the space and capacity to deal with the heat.

The pictures you see with good results have the "600w" versions, which are only 230 "true" watts a piece. While they do work and can provide decent results, they cost way too much money for what they provide. To me, $160 is a rip off for only 230w of light. Meanwhile, you can get a 315w CMH for $120 that provides you with more light and a significantly better spectrum.
Great explanation man!
Thx a lot, this is something i really had no idea about.
I will definitely go for a 3rd light each room, as i wan't loose on yeald at this point. This lights i can get cheeper then a regular HPS kit here, beside i cant run hot lights in such a small space. Here is summer and outside 2pm i have 95°f! Lol. Inside a full AC system to balance tho... (Have to do a kind of "changing air schedule" as well, cause the AC doesn't do it)
P. S. Will start the diary when all set up.
 

kratos015

Well-Known Member
Great explanation man!
Thx a lot, this is something i really had no idea about.
I will definitely go for a 3rd light each room, as i wan't loose on yeald at this point. This lights i can get cheeper then a regular HPS kit here, beside i cant run hot lights in such a small space. Here is summer and outside 2pm i have 95°f! Lol. Inside a full AC system to balance tho... (Have to do a kind of "changing air schedule" as well, cause the AC doesn't do it)
P. S. Will start the diary when all set up.
Glad to help my man.

You're definitely right about that. In fact, growers in confined spaces like you are what these particular lights are best suited for. As I pointed out in the last post, all the other lights have more penetration power/wattage, but with that extra energy comes heat. I feel you on summer temps and know how hard they can fuck you. Next 2 months will be 100f at the lowest and 130f at the highest for me, so I know the struggle there for sure!

Not all ACs have this feature, but if you look in the vents of your air conditioner there may or may not be a "square" button in the vents that you can push. This "square" button is actually a vent that allows you to vent air in from the outside, that way you can cool the room AND bring in fresh air too.

Are you using an inline fan for ventilation for your rooms? If you run your lights at night when it's cool you can use the inline fan to bring the cool ambient air into your grow room. I'm in the desert, some nights get between 30-60f so I'm able to use the cool night air to cool my tents as opposed to air conditioning. Saves me ~$100/mo that way if I run the lights at night. Just food for thought.

From everything you've told me, you're doing everything to the best of your ability with the tools/room you've been given. But as you pointed out, more light will allow you to have more plants and will allow them to grow slightly taller which will in turn increase your yields.
 
Well here is very humid and hot even night time on summer. But energy is not a big deal in my case.
This is one of the big challenge for me being my first real grow (Followed few times other friends tho). I mean climate control.
The other challenge is to decide the most correct feeding schedule, i will use "General Organics Go Box". Maybe you have some tips for it too?
 

kratos015

Well-Known Member
Well here is very humid and hot even night time on summer. But energy is not a big deal in my case.
This is one of the big challenge for me being my first real grow (Followed few times other friends tho). I mean climate control.
The other challenge is to decide the most correct feeding schedule, i will use "General Organics Go Box". Maybe you have some tips for it too?
Unfortunately I haven't used any bottled products in almost a decade now, so I'm unable to comment on them.

The only tip that I can give concerning any kind of bottled product is to ignore the recommended amounts and use 1/4 of what they recommend. If one bottle tells you to use 1tsp, use 1/4 tsp and see how the plants react.

You can always add more at any time, but overdoing it will cause problems for sure.
 
Unfortunately I haven't used any bottled products in almost a decade now, so I'm unable to comment on them.

The only tip that I can give concerning any kind of bottled product is to ignore the recommended amounts and use 1/4 of what they recommend. If one bottle tells you to use 1tsp, use 1/4 tsp and see how the plants react.

You can always add more at any time, but overdoing it will cause problems for sure.
Hi brother,
Still 2 weeks away from the start... Lol.
I was wandering, if maybe you can help me with a lights question one's more.

Now that i will run 3 of the lights, i will have abot 50w per plant which is a good ammount we said, but this lamps they have just half of the power in the flower (red's spectrum) compared to blue.

What about hang few cfl 2700k with yoyo's lines directly over the plants, in addiction on flowering stage?
What would be a good ammount to integrate in my space? ( 40"x20" 8 plants)
Really apreciated any help.
 

kratos015

Well-Known Member
Hi brother,
Still 2 weeks away from the start... Lol.
I was wandering, if maybe you can help me with a lights question one's more.

Now that i will run 3 of the lights, i will have abot 50w per plant which is a good ammount we said, but this lamps they have just half of the power in the flower (red's spectrum) compared to blue.

What about hang few cfl 2700k with yoyo's lines directly over the plants, in addiction on flowering stage?
What would be a good ammount to integrate in my space? ( 40"x20" 8 plants)
Really apreciated any help.
Sorry, just got this. Forgive the late response.

But you should actually be able to run both the "blue" and "red" settings during flower with zero problems. In fact, the light spectrum on blurple lights is one positive benefit that they have over HID lights.

Run all 3 of your lights and run them with both the "veg" and "flower" buttons on, as the plants will be able to make use of both spectrums in flower. It's mainly in veg that you only want blue light and no red light, but in flower the plants will be able to make use of both red and blue light. With blurple lights, you want the blue setting on during veg. Then during flower you'll actually want both red and blue on. That's the tl;dr version of it.

I'll elaborate more on it below but you don't have to read it if you don't want to. It's pretty much just me explaining why I'm not talking out of my ass, but all you really need to know is that you definitely should use both red/blue settings on the blurple light when you're in flower! It will provide you with all the light you need, as well as all the spectrum you need too!





MH/CMH lights are blue spectrum light, and HPS lights are red spectrum light. You can veg with HPS and flower with MH, it will work it just won't be optimal. This is because plants use the blue spectrums of light for veg growth, and red spectrums for flower.

The red/blue thing comes from the limitations of indoor lights. Plants are definitely not restricted to just blue/red light though as the sun has a WIDE variety of light spectrum similar to that of a rainbow; red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet/ultraviolet. Plants can and will make use of every last part of the light spectrum. The problem is that most indoor lights cannot cover the entire light spectrum like the sun can, the only lights capable of doing this are Cree/COB LED lights. Blurple lights actually have a wider spectrum than HID lights, but the issue with the blurples is that they aren't very powerful lights despite having an amazing spectrum.

Plants actually operate in terms of light spectrum and not wattage, this is exactly why people are moving away from HID lights. Double ended bulbs and Ceramic bulbs definitely have better light spectrums than Single ended bulbs, however they still don't compare to LEDs. HID lights are a single light source, LEDs are multiple smaller light sources. With HID lights, you're stuck with whatever spectrum it has. However with LED lights, you can get different colored LEDs to mimic a more diverse spectrum than any HID can provide. While Cree/COBs have come down quite a bit in price, they still cost a rather pretty penny.

Allow me to compare a 1000w HPS light with that of your blurple light to give an idea of light spectrum, as before we only discussed light intensity but not light spectrum.

1000w HPS light is 1000 watts, right? However, the 1000 watts of light isn't all usable light for plants. Due to the mediocre light spectrums of an HPS/HID light, your plant is actually only able to use ~300-400w of that 1000w light. Since the plant can only absorb 300-400w of that 1000w light, the remaining 600w of light remains in the form of heat that is totally unusable to your plants since it isn't in the right spectrum.

Your blurple light though, it may only be 130w of light.. however nearly all of that 130w of light is usable because all 130w of light is in a spectrum that the plant can use.

This is why Cree/COBs destroy HID lights with less wattage. The reason a 500w COB set up will outperform a 1000w HPS light is because the plants can use all 500w of the COB, but only ~300w of the 1000w HPS because of the difference in light spectrums of the two sources of light.

Hope that was useful. If you do your own research on light spectrum and how plants react to it you'll come across much better information/explanations than I'm capable of.

All that being said, try not to overthink things too much. It's technically a weed, so it will grow in even the most adverse of conditions. It just won't grow optimally, but it will grow! Optimal growth takes time and experience, but it is something that anyone can do with proper dedication and work. Don't ever listen to someone that tries to make growing plants seem "impossible", as that's total bullshit.

I'm not the best, but feel free to ask what you need to and I'll help to the best of my ability.
 
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