reverse osmosis

MrStickyScissors

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I'll start with pH meters. Obviously, you have already worked with and have first hand experience with hobby grade pH meters. $100 meters aren't worth $100. I don't know your price range or how much emphasis you put on pH. I don't like to spend other people's money, and you will spend some $$$ on quality. Here is a link; scroll to the bottom for Thermo / Orion meters. I hope you understand that it's the guy with the PhD who chooses the equipment in the lab, not me. I will tell you this, they do not shop on price!!


http://www.coleparmer.com/catalog/product_index.asp?cls=7450





As for tweaking RO filters, that I can do. First, you need a TDS meter. I have an HM COM-100 TDS meter. Not bottom of the line, not the be-all, end-all. It's impossible to know of any improvements if you cannot measure the TDS of your water. The idea is to get the TDS as low as possible (duh) by making the RO filter work by increasing the incoming pressure. It is also important to maintain a 4:1 waste to permeate ratio in order to help the filter live a long, happy life. I use a pressure pump on my filter. My tap water pressure is about 50psi; most RO filters advertised rejection rate is based upon 70psi to the filter. With the pressure pump, I keep the incoming water at 80 psi (the pump has an adjustment on it.) In order to maintain the proper waste to permeate ratio, I put a 1/4 turn ball valve on the end of my waste water hose. Most likely, the manufacturer of your unit says to NEVER plug this line, which is true. The ball valve (never fully closed) is nothing more than a flow restriction device. As you close this valve, the pressure inside the filter goes up; as you open the valve, the pressure goes down. The goal is to obtain up to 80psi with a 4:1 waste to permeate.

I am not too familiar with the unit you purchased; I see it only has room for two pre-filters; one which should be a carbon filter and the other a sediment filter. Here is my advice: Protect your RO filter!! Chlorine will kill your RO filter in no time, so a good carbon block filter is essential. The one I use is called a "Chlorine Grabber" and is rated for 20,000 gallons and 0.5 microns. Now, you need to protect this carbon filter from sediment so it can remove chlorine. This is where a good sediment filter (or two) come in. I use a 0.2 micron filter and a 1 micron filter before that (keeps the more pricey 0.2 micron filter from being clogged sooner.) There are several good online vendors for filters. Since I use my RO filter to make drinking water, I sanitize my unit every 6 months. All filters are removed, the housings put back on, a small amount of bleach is added to each filter housing, and I turn the water on. Let if fill and sit for 10 minutes, then empty it out, run some more water through it, replace the filters, and you're done. A good ziplock back will keep the RO filter moist when you remove it from the housing.


That kind of sort of sums it up.
damn you wernt joking those metters cost a lot. im looking to spend around 3 to 400. I have the hm com 100 as well. wich setting reads the tds?? I cant figure that out. I want to read the tds of the over all solution.
 

NLXSK1

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damn you wernt joking those metters cost a lot. im looking to spend around 3 to 400. I have the hm com 100 as well. wich setting reads the tds?? I cant figure that out. I want to read the tds of the over all solution.
You cannot read a tds. To get a TDS you need to take a set amount of solution and boil all the water off. Then you weigh the amount you have left and that gives you the TDS (total dissolved solids).

You will be reading EC and PPM. I have no idea why PPM even exists because due to conversion factors the same EC could be 3 or more different PPM's. So, what you are really trying to measure is EC (Electrical Conductivity).

Any hydro store has some good meters although I have the blue lab truncheon and it is a good instrument.
 

MrStickyScissors

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You cannot read a tds. To get a TDS you need to take a set amount of solution and boil all the water off. Then you weigh the amount you have left and that gives you the TDS (total dissolved solids).

You will be reading EC and PPM. I have no idea why PPM even exists because due to conversion factors the same EC could be 3 or more different PPM's. So, what you are really trying to measure is EC (Electrical Conductivity).

Any hydro store has some good meters although I have the blue lab truncheon and it is a good instrument.
really now all im using my meter for is to gauge when my RO filter is going bad. im really not sure why people measure there ppm's. well mayby in a hydro setup but I am in soil
 

CoralGrower

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Yessir, those lab grade pH probes are not cheap; they are also not inexpensive. As I stated, I don't own one. I have had the chance to use them, used them, and have no more need. I'm very practical; if a nutrient solution does not maintain the proper pH, I don't use it.


On the COM-100, I set my meter for NaCL and PPM. You have the option to read in micro-siemens (electrical conductivity). The guy above is correct; we are reading conductivity (the two probes at the end of the meter give this away); TDS is a conversion. Since the meter does the conversion, I am content to continue using TDS in ppm as a basic reference; it's not like we're splitting atoms.
 

Japanfreak

New Member
I have no idea why PPM even exists because due to conversion factors the same EC could be 3 or more different PPM's
That's only a problem if you're asking strangers on the net what PPM to grow at. All these tools are for your own garden, not really to compare.
 

Rongway

Member
I use reverse osmosis water because of how crappy our tap water is here. 800-900 ppm, 8.5ph. Burned my other plants without even adding nutes, so I didn't wanna risk it for MJ. For me, it was cheaper to just buy 10g a time from the local dispenser. After adding up the costs of installing those home units, buying all the filters, and replacing them, it seemed a wash on price.
 

NLXSK1

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That's only a problem if you're asking strangers on the net what PPM to grow at. All these tools are for your own garden, not really to compare.

But I can actually compare using EC and not have to worry if they know the conversion.
 

MrStickyScissors

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Yessir, those lab grade pH probes are not cheap; they are also not inexpensive. As I stated, I don't own one. I have had the chance to use them, used them, and have no more need. I'm very practical; if a nutrient solution does not maintain the proper pH, I don't use it.


On the COM-100, I set my meter for NaCL and PPM. You have the option to read in micro-siemens (electrical conductivity). The guy above is correct; we are reading conductivity (the two probes at the end of the meter give this away); TDS is a conversion. Since the meter does the conversion, I am content to continue using TDS in ppm as a basic reference; it's not like we're splitting atoms.
thats what i have been growing with tap water
 

Japanfreak

New Member
But I can actually compare using EC and not have to worry if they know the conversion.
I hear ya, but you know what I'm talking about, this idea that people should even compare. Every garden is different, instead of finding out what's right for them people just want a high way sign that say's 55 (is that even the speed limit anymore?) . But yeah, if you want to compare E.C. is universal.
 

NLXSK1

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whats so funny about it? that im fat? or you a faget or sumthang??
Well, you are not going to make GQ anytime soon...

We dont typically post pictures of ourselves. Even when legal. Someone might recognize you and jack your grow. And now that you have shown your hardware they will wait till you leave your house and steal your guns too...
 

homebrewer

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whats so funny about it? that im fat? or you a faget or sumthang??
Easy there Rambo. Shirtless photos of guys with guns, especially this one, are just asking to be made fun of. Now, if this was a joke, you're one funny dude. If this is a serious picture, then you're the reason for gated communities ;).
 

cowboylogic

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Mr Sticky better put those guns in your hands down before your BB gun arms drop them from fatigue!!!!!!!!!! And at your age sagging breasts already too! Bet you are forgot to do your Kegels today also,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

wannaquickee

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That's only a problem if you're asking strangers on the net what PPM to grow at. All these tools are for your own garden, not really to compare.

why do you always insist that people are repeating what they hear from something. dont you think it could personal experience? just a question. dont get your panties in a wad
 

Japanfreak

New Member
why do you always insist that people are repeating what they hear from something. dont you think it could personal experience? just a question. dont get your panties in a wad
Personal experience? What the hell does personal experience have to do with telling a stranger what PPM to grow at? That's the exact opposite. Holy shit you don't get anything do you? Seriously, personal experience?
 

wannaquickee

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No you didn't read it on fox news, you read it on a pot forum or heard it in a hydro store and repeated it here. It was very easy for me to check what's in my tap water, I probably know more about my tap water than you know about your nutes. But it's cute that you think you have control because you can filter water.

i just used your last one...maybe i should have quoted the correct one..
 
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