ReVeg after Flowering ?
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SmokesLikeBob
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you can...but you might have a risk of over-stressing it and turning it into a hermie, so i'd just wait till' your ready to flower and go from there!
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
alexonfire
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No you can do it, if you bought regular seeds start them 12/12 and once you know the sex throw out the males and revert to 18/6. Obviously some people will disagree with this method and it does take a lot longer
michaeljdumpout
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I have done this with my first plant after i found out it was a bitch i jumped right into flowering . After my first havest i started my light cycle over . When she went back into the veg stage i cut 10 clones and harvested those and then cut another 10 clones of each the whole process took like 5 months but now im ready for my outside with all 100% females at a foot and a half tall. So yeah this shit can be done and if done right it could give u more plants than u could ever think about having, And have plants in and out of the stages to obtain a harvest every 6-10 weeks once you get the ball rollin, also i harvest every 7 weeks doing this shit and i keep a steady supply of plants on deck i love the MJ plant and the things that u can do with her....So yeah keep pimpin ur bitch and keep that hoe in labor
darkdestruction420
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you could but it would be stupid.....after 3-5 weeks of veg plants should start pushing out preflowers, regardless of the cycle. why not just do that and not waste a month forcing it to flower and then re-vegging it which will stress it out?
llop1103
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Ya there is not really a way to start from seed and get alot of wieght in a little time so you need to realize that first. If you want alot of wieght in a little time you need to go buy about 50 clones and switch them to 12/12 right away and you will get a decent harvest in 2 months or so but one plant that you dont even know if its male or female is not going to give you a high yeild in a fast amount of time
michaeljdumpout
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This why i said do ur own clones first then repeat this stage its not rocket science well maybe it is ...for some this way after u know its females then you can start a cycle of plants (not alight cycle) but a cycle of plants thats in and out of flowering dont get me wrong everyone is in titiled to their own opinion but this is mines and this is for the money and im doing it with no strees or no mess so ..... it is what it is.... dont knock the hustle
michaeljdumpout
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How would this process be as stupid as u say it is if you use the plant that you harvest for a re-veg to get clones to repeat the process... Think about it in the time it takes to grow from seed you could have clones that will start while the first mother plant is in revegg you could just keep cutting for clones if you want to. So its not very time consuming giving the number of plants that you could get in the the short amount of time that you spend.Personally I wouldnt repeat this stage for flowering but to just cut as many clones as i could to flower them and then to do it all over again.In the long run you save alot of time and money and time is money
michaeljdumpout
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Or maybe the knockers should use just one of their plants to try it
darkdestruction420
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you didnt read my 2nd suggestion that he take clones in flower and make them mother plants i take it? by the time you start revegging the plant after harvest your new mother should be rooted and big enough to take clones from already. I didnt write this but you should take a look, its some interesting stuff.....
What is a Flowering Clone?
This question arises just about everytime I mention the wonderful advantages of the Flowering clone. So, to answer a few questions that get asked frequently. I see a need for this post. A long while back a man named feral introduced us to a new way of taking clones that has taken away the need to top plants or try the fimming technique. Not only do they root well. They also will blow you away with how fast they develop branches.
What is a flowering clone?
Simply put, it is a clone taken at or around 21 days flowering or later. Day 21 seems to be the best time but clones can be taken at any point thereafter and you will get the same effect. Keep in mind. This isnt written in stone. I dont have facts for you but I do have experience with these litte giants. I just want to share something that may increase a yeild for someone out there. Keeping the numbers of plants down is a good idea for alot of growers out there. Medical growers often will have limits. If your out there and you have a medical card. It cant be stressed enough that you follow the guidelines. You guys are the bright future for mj reform in many countries. I can only envy you at the moment but one of these days I hope to be able to grow without so much fear. Okay, that said...lol. I knew I shouldnt have eaten those cookies before starting to write today...lol. I have taken clones just prior to harvest and had no problem rooting them. There are many myths out there concerning a flowering clones ability to root. As in many myths the clones get a bad rap. The truth is, a flowering clone is a fully mature plant. It is ready and willing to root quickly to continue its flowering process. The cambium layer is mature at this point making the formation of roots easier. The cambium layer is a celluar layer just below the bark from where the roots come from. So, truth is. They will and do root well.
Why use a flowering clone?
This is a simple question to answer. Just take a look at the attatched pictures. The branching power of the flowering clone is unbelievable compaired to any other clone I've dealt with. In fact, one usually has to prune some of these branches before flowering starts to direct energy into the larger cola's. I guess the proper question here is why one wouldnt use a flowering clone? I have seen products out there that boast that they stimulate branching. Lol.... why spend money on that when massive branching is simply a few clips away? Let me give you an example. I am currently growing a scrog with a single plant on each side. The screens are 3'x3'. I have 112 holes to be filled in each screen. Out of the 224 holes only 24 do not have a budsite in them. I counted the budsites on one half of one screen and came up with 62 so far and Im only 23 days into flowering so far. I've done seed grows in this fashion and never come up with the amount of sites I get with flowering clones. Another great application for the flowering clone is growing outdoors. I gave thirty of these little jewels to an outdoor cultivator a few years back. All the plants stayed low and got super bushy. To avoid detection a small profile plant is ideal for outdoor cultivators. Try this method once and I imagine you will never take a vegging clone again.
What is the best method to grow these clones?
I prefer a Scrog (screen of green) but alot of people out there use them for the natural way of growing. These clones are just plain old effective no mater which way you grow. They can even be used in the SOG (sea of green) method. Flowering clones in this application will grow straight up and form a nice large cola about 14-18 inches long if started into flowering at less than 6inches. Hydro bubblers, ebb n flo, turbotank, coco or soil these babies rock.
How do I take a Flowering Clone?
Just as you would any other clone. No special handling is needed here. Treat the clones as you would any other. Cut, scrap, dip and then into the medium. Is this your first time taking cloning? Have no fear. Just jump in there and clip away at them. Take a few more clones than you expect to use. This way if a few fail, you will have enough to get started. There are numerous guides and how to threads at this site to help you with the details (use the search tool to find what you need). I often times see new gardeners that are apprehensive about taking clones but these fears are quickly taken away with a little hands on experience. You have to find a system that works for you and stick with it. Remember the old saying, if it aint broke dont fix it. Well, that applies in cloning. Once you find what works for you stay with it.
How long do they take to root?
These clones usually are a little slower to regenerate but not to bad. I average about 14days till I start to see roots coming out the bottom of the rockwool cubes. That time will vary a little it seems with different strains. Some of them take forever and some root quickly. The clones should stay perky and upright. A small flo right above the humidity dome is all they need for light. Remove the humidity dome at least once a day to allow some fresh air inside. Do not walk off and forget about it. They will die quickly if left in the open air to long without a root system to support them. If the plants begin to wilt while the hood is off. This tells you that they have not formed roots yet. They still rely on the humidity to support their needs. Also, keep an eye out for new growth forming. Once it starts to emerge you have roots forming and the plant is responding well to its environment. Once I see roots starting to poke out the bottom I remove the paper and sink them into whatever medium I'm using. I normally will not wait for many roots to show. Once they show a few roots they can be transfered.The mature clone will start to throw out unserated leaves at first and it kinda looks a little odd. Not to worry though. Right behind the unserated leaves will emerge the normal leaf sets. Once they start to come around you will see the branching ability of these clones. Sometimes its best to at least tie down some main branches to promote a wider plant. Multiple cola's will form from these tie downs. A week prior to flowering a pruning session happens and once more at the two week period of flowering. You have to remember to leave yourself a few nice clones to be taken in the third week.
What mixture of nutrients do I use for these clones?
This may be a debateable item but this is what I do. I use a one gallon milk jug and keep it just for clones. I let the chlorine burn off first. Then add a capful of bloom, capful of B1 complex, capful of h2o2 and one half teaspoon of Dark Energy. I then soak the rockwool cubes in the solution overnite and then select my clones when the lamps come on in the morning. Since I've started using this mixture I have had minimal yellowing in the clones and the sucesss rate has been better.
Warmth is Key!
Important to remember that a little warmth for the new cuttings helps them along. I place my small container on top of a towel that rests upon a normal household heating pad on the low setting. This extra warmth not only keeps the new cuttings warm and cozy. It also makes the dome sweat keeping it damp constantly. I always add a small amount of mixture mentioned above to the rocks below. Then its time to sit back and wait. Dont ya hate that part? lol.
Will these clones improve my yeild?
Lol.... compaired to topping and fimming yes this will improve your harvest and make it happen faster. I truely do not think Im going out on a limb here (lol). When I say they will improve your grows I can say from experience that if done correctly it will without a doubt. When you top a plant everything stops. With a flowering clone that never happens. Never a slowdown. Its full tilt boogie from the time they start to regenerate till harvest time.
The pictures below speak volumes for the clones. I've been using them for a long time now and well, I just cant see another way of getting this much out of a plant. Give it a try and see for yourself. Have fun and stay safe, greenmonster714
This is another greenmonster714 post. I will post pictures later.
Well yes you can but I wouldn't. I would bend the tops over to make room. if they are at 21 days into flower they are done stretching anyway. By bending them over you redirect the auxins that control growth from the top most branches to the lower branches. This will not only give your plant a rush of growth but will give you more bud sites to harvest from.
You can clone a plant at any time in it's life cycle. Top branches are the hardest to clone though as they hold most of the growth hormones (auxins) When you top or bend a top over to where it's below some of the lower branches you redirect these auxins to lower branches which is why you suddenly get a rush of growth from the lower branches. The auxins have been redirected. By cloning lower branches you avoid alot of the growth hormones as they are in the top branches. This is why lower branches clone easier. They can concentrate on root developement instead of upwards growth.
I hope this makes sense here. I just medicated and it's some good stuff.
rf
PS Here are the pictures that were suppose to go to the main post.
What is a Flowering Clone?
This question arises just about everytime I mention the wonderful advantages of the Flowering clone. So, to answer a few questions that get asked frequently. I see a need for this post. A long while back a man named feral introduced us to a new way of taking clones that has taken away the need to top plants or try the fimming technique. Not only do they root well. They also will blow you away with how fast they develop branches.
What is a flowering clone?
Simply put, it is a clone taken at or around 21 days flowering or later. Day 21 seems to be the best time but clones can be taken at any point thereafter and you will get the same effect. Keep in mind. This isnt written in stone. I dont have facts for you but I do have experience with these litte giants. I just want to share something that may increase a yeild for someone out there. Keeping the numbers of plants down is a good idea for alot of growers out there. Medical growers often will have limits. If your out there and you have a medical card. It cant be stressed enough that you follow the guidelines. You guys are the bright future for mj reform in many countries. I can only envy you at the moment but one of these days I hope to be able to grow without so much fear. Okay, that said...lol. I knew I shouldnt have eaten those cookies before starting to write today...lol. I have taken clones just prior to harvest and had no problem rooting them. There are many myths out there concerning a flowering clones ability to root. As in many myths the clones get a bad rap. The truth is, a flowering clone is a fully mature plant. It is ready and willing to root quickly to continue its flowering process. The cambium layer is mature at this point making the formation of roots easier. The cambium layer is a celluar layer just below the bark from where the roots come from. So, truth is. They will and do root well.
Why use a flowering clone?
This is a simple question to answer. Just take a look at the attatched pictures. The branching power of the flowering clone is unbelievable compaired to any other clone I've dealt with. In fact, one usually has to prune some of these branches before flowering starts to direct energy into the larger cola's. I guess the proper question here is why one wouldnt use a flowering clone? I have seen products out there that boast that they stimulate branching. Lol.... why spend money on that when massive branching is simply a few clips away? Let me give you an example. I am currently growing a scrog with a single plant on each side. The screens are 3'x3'. I have 112 holes to be filled in each screen. Out of the 224 holes only 24 do not have a budsite in them. I counted the budsites on one half of one screen and came up with 62 so far and Im only 23 days into flowering so far. I've done seed grows in this fashion and never come up with the amount of sites I get with flowering clones. Another great application for the flowering clone is growing outdoors. I gave thirty of these little jewels to an outdoor cultivator a few years back. All the plants stayed low and got super bushy. To avoid detection a small profile plant is ideal for outdoor cultivators. Try this method once and I imagine you will never take a vegging clone again.
What is the best method to grow these clones?
I prefer a Scrog (screen of green) but alot of people out there use them for the natural way of growing. These clones are just plain old effective no mater which way you grow. They can even be used in the SOG (sea of green) method. Flowering clones in this application will grow straight up and form a nice large cola about 14-18 inches long if started into flowering at less than 6inches. Hydro bubblers, ebb n flo, turbotank, coco or soil these babies rock.
How do I take a Flowering Clone?
Just as you would any other clone. No special handling is needed here. Treat the clones as you would any other. Cut, scrap, dip and then into the medium. Is this your first time taking cloning? Have no fear. Just jump in there and clip away at them. Take a few more clones than you expect to use. This way if a few fail, you will have enough to get started. There are numerous guides and how to threads at this site to help you with the details (use the search tool to find what you need). I often times see new gardeners that are apprehensive about taking clones but these fears are quickly taken away with a little hands on experience. You have to find a system that works for you and stick with it. Remember the old saying, if it aint broke dont fix it. Well, that applies in cloning. Once you find what works for you stay with it.
How long do they take to root?
These clones usually are a little slower to regenerate but not to bad. I average about 14days till I start to see roots coming out the bottom of the rockwool cubes. That time will vary a little it seems with different strains. Some of them take forever and some root quickly. The clones should stay perky and upright. A small flo right above the humidity dome is all they need for light. Remove the humidity dome at least once a day to allow some fresh air inside. Do not walk off and forget about it. They will die quickly if left in the open air to long without a root system to support them. If the plants begin to wilt while the hood is off. This tells you that they have not formed roots yet. They still rely on the humidity to support their needs. Also, keep an eye out for new growth forming. Once it starts to emerge you have roots forming and the plant is responding well to its environment. Once I see roots starting to poke out the bottom I remove the paper and sink them into whatever medium I'm using. I normally will not wait for many roots to show. Once they show a few roots they can be transfered.The mature clone will start to throw out unserated leaves at first and it kinda looks a little odd. Not to worry though. Right behind the unserated leaves will emerge the normal leaf sets. Once they start to come around you will see the branching ability of these clones. Sometimes its best to at least tie down some main branches to promote a wider plant. Multiple cola's will form from these tie downs. A week prior to flowering a pruning session happens and once more at the two week period of flowering. You have to remember to leave yourself a few nice clones to be taken in the third week.
What mixture of nutrients do I use for these clones?
This may be a debateable item but this is what I do. I use a one gallon milk jug and keep it just for clones. I let the chlorine burn off first. Then add a capful of bloom, capful of B1 complex, capful of h2o2 and one half teaspoon of Dark Energy. I then soak the rockwool cubes in the solution overnite and then select my clones when the lamps come on in the morning. Since I've started using this mixture I have had minimal yellowing in the clones and the sucesss rate has been better.
Warmth is Key!
Important to remember that a little warmth for the new cuttings helps them along. I place my small container on top of a towel that rests upon a normal household heating pad on the low setting. This extra warmth not only keeps the new cuttings warm and cozy. It also makes the dome sweat keeping it damp constantly. I always add a small amount of mixture mentioned above to the rocks below. Then its time to sit back and wait. Dont ya hate that part? lol.
Will these clones improve my yeild?
Lol.... compaired to topping and fimming yes this will improve your harvest and make it happen faster. I truely do not think Im going out on a limb here (lol). When I say they will improve your grows I can say from experience that if done correctly it will without a doubt. When you top a plant everything stops. With a flowering clone that never happens. Never a slowdown. Its full tilt boogie from the time they start to regenerate till harvest time.
The pictures below speak volumes for the clones. I've been using them for a long time now and well, I just cant see another way of getting this much out of a plant. Give it a try and see for yourself. Have fun and stay safe, greenmonster714
This is another greenmonster714 post. I will post pictures later.
Well yes you can but I wouldn't. I would bend the tops over to make room. if they are at 21 days into flower they are done stretching anyway. By bending them over you redirect the auxins that control growth from the top most branches to the lower branches. This will not only give your plant a rush of growth but will give you more bud sites to harvest from.
You can clone a plant at any time in it's life cycle. Top branches are the hardest to clone though as they hold most of the growth hormones (auxins) When you top or bend a top over to where it's below some of the lower branches you redirect these auxins to lower branches which is why you suddenly get a rush of growth from the lower branches. The auxins have been redirected. By cloning lower branches you avoid alot of the growth hormones as they are in the top branches. This is why lower branches clone easier. They can concentrate on root developement instead of upwards growth.
I hope this makes sense here. I just medicated and it's some good stuff.
rf
PS Here are the pictures that were suppose to go to the main post.
michaeljdumpout
Well-Known Member
Thanks for clearing up what i was trying to say
10jed
Active Member
OK... here is how it breaks down for a 5 week veg before flower, and we'll say an 8 week flower time. these are your options as I see them. Option 2 requires that you have separate veg and flower areas.
1. Preflowers from seed: about 5 weeks, and preflowers aren't always easy to read. So, 5 weeks to sex, 0 weeks to veg and then 8 weeks in flower makes 13 weeks till harvest.
2. Flower a cutting from seed: (2-3 weeks growth before cutting + 1-2 weeks to root the cutting + 2-3 weeks to show sex) 5-8 weeks to sex, 0 weeks to veg (mom is vegging while this goes on) and 8 weeks flower means 13-16 weeks till harvest.
3. Reveg from seed: (12/12 from seed will usually show sex in 3-4 weeks) 3-4 weeks to sex, 2-3 weeks to revert to veg state, 2-3 weeks to veg, and 8 weeks to flower. 15-18 weeks till harvest and as said above this could be a larger harvest. Reveg plants are super branchy! I'm not sure they actually finish faster though. I working on this now so I should know soon!
These are your options as I see them. The fastest way to know sex and get to harvest is to read preflowers but that can be tough. The best way to do it and keep genetics for future use is #2, but there is a good chance it will take longer, and cloning is often a struggle for the first few times until you learn how to do it. If it does take longer in the cloning and sexing, then your advantage is while you wait your mom gets bigger and your harvest increases. As stated above, #2 also requires separate veg and flower areas. # 3 takes the longest but will probably give you a bigger harvest. The advantage in harvest weight *should* increase exponentially with a couple more weeks of veg. You need the space for it though. Harvest will be more, but smaller buds.
Hope this helps!
jed
1. Preflowers from seed: about 5 weeks, and preflowers aren't always easy to read. So, 5 weeks to sex, 0 weeks to veg and then 8 weeks in flower makes 13 weeks till harvest.
2. Flower a cutting from seed: (2-3 weeks growth before cutting + 1-2 weeks to root the cutting + 2-3 weeks to show sex) 5-8 weeks to sex, 0 weeks to veg (mom is vegging while this goes on) and 8 weeks flower means 13-16 weeks till harvest.
3. Reveg from seed: (12/12 from seed will usually show sex in 3-4 weeks) 3-4 weeks to sex, 2-3 weeks to revert to veg state, 2-3 weeks to veg, and 8 weeks to flower. 15-18 weeks till harvest and as said above this could be a larger harvest. Reveg plants are super branchy! I'm not sure they actually finish faster though. I working on this now so I should know soon!
These are your options as I see them. The fastest way to know sex and get to harvest is to read preflowers but that can be tough. The best way to do it and keep genetics for future use is #2, but there is a good chance it will take longer, and cloning is often a struggle for the first few times until you learn how to do it. If it does take longer in the cloning and sexing, then your advantage is while you wait your mom gets bigger and your harvest increases. As stated above, #2 also requires separate veg and flower areas. # 3 takes the longest but will probably give you a bigger harvest. The advantage in harvest weight *should* increase exponentially with a couple more weeks of veg. You need the space for it though. Harvest will be more, but smaller buds.
Hope this helps!
jed
zigzag6
Active Member
okay so i will try to make 2 rooms , take a cutting and flower it .
my 3 plant are all 10 days old and are growing good i think .... my fastest grower has the 2 cotyleons the 2 single leaves and 2 fans leave are growing
(fan leaves : three tip's) and have new growth coming out is it good ?
and when do i know to take a cutting off my plant ?
my 3 plant are all 10 days old and are growing good i think .... my fastest grower has the 2 cotyleons the 2 single leaves and 2 fans leave are growing
(fan leaves : three tip's) and have new growth coming out is it good ?
and when do i know to take a cutting off my plant ?
darkdestruction420
Well-Known Member
i bit small, but not bad. how often do you water and what type of soil? that plant looks pretty yellow to me, which may or may not be normal.
bckiller12
Well-Known Member
That plant actually looks good!! Close to yellow but who ever said thats a bad thing when the yellow leafs look healthy as fuck so DD420 is right may or may not be normal!! to early to care...itll bounce back