Reg Vs. Fem Seeds

Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Why in the hell did I just spend all this time growing 6 plants...only to shit-can 4 males?.

Outside of breeding purposes, is there any reason why one should even bother with them?. The time and expense of growing worthless plants certainly is not worth the initial cost savings on beans.

End rant...lol
 
Great

Great

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Sunbiz1 said:
Why in the hell did I just spend all this time growing 6 plants...only to shit-can 4 males?.

Outside of breeding purposes, is there any reason why one should even bother with them?. The time and expense of growing worthless plants certainly is not worth the initial cost savings on beans.

End rant...lol
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bro ive been a week in i only have 1 seed if it a male i will hate myself...... atleast you have a female man be happy my seedling better be a female if not i repeat will hate myself......
 
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beans davis

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I run fems only in 5 yrs only had 3 hermie issues TCC CH9 & GHS.
DNA PYRAMID & G13 Labs all treated me well,never a herm even with stress on several srtains.
I used to keep mothers & run clones but due to space issues i have to run fems.With seeds always a chance of something special.
Same thing was happening to me as the OP,too many males bringing my plant count down.
 
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althor

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beans davis said:
I run fems only in 5 yrs only had 3 hermie issues TCC CH9 & GHS.
DNA PYRAMID & G13 Labs all treated me well,never a herm even with stress on several srtains.
I used to keep mothers & run clones but due to space issues i have to run fems.With seeds always a chance of something special.
Same thing was happening to me as the OP,too many males bringing my plant count down.
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Hermie issues are the direct result of two things, A. bad breeders. B. bad growers. One or the two are guaranteed at fault.

If the breeders do it right, you have no problems, if the growers do it right, they have no problems.

Been growing fems for years with NO HERMIE PROBLEMS at all.

I do prefer regular seeds for pheno hunting though.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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althor said:
Hermie issues are the direct result of two things, A. bad breeders. B. bad growers. One or the two are guaranteed at fault.

If the breeders do it right, you have no problems, if the growers do it right, they have no problems.

Been growing fems for years with NO HERMIE PROBLEMS at all.

I do prefer regular seeds for pheno hunting though.
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In most cases yes, but there are some strains inclined to self-pollinate regardless...Central and South American sativas in particular. Whether this is due to original breeding errors, or a built-in genetic fail-safe to insure species survival remains a mystery.
 
Dwezelitsame

Dwezelitsame

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Originally Posted by HomieHogleg Yes, but the fem seed carries the hermie trait, which will be passed to any seed made with her. Feminized seed, is made from the pollen of a hermie plant, so the fem seed has the hermie gene in the offspring. I may be wrong, but that is how I understand it.

HomieHogleg
I'm in no way trying to negative here, but this statement is spread all over the net on open forums and I believe it is very misleading. What scientific evidence do you have to support this statement. Thats a question to everyone; not you HommieHogLeg. This Fem/Hermie debate has me just shaking my head in disbelief. It's fuel'd by the internet "rumor mill" filled with arm-chair botanists.

There is a large difference between a recessive (or dominate) genetic trait and the plants ability to react to a chemical (un-natural) stimulus. Now look at the % of Sativa on the genetic mix. I could go on, but its not the feminized part of the seed, but the genetics the original parent has before it was feminized. I hate to piss on everyones parade, but if your into sativa strains, feminized or unfeminized its in the genes to naturally have the hermie trait. Good luck getting it out - but thats why we pay so much for the worked strains. If your into indicas, the rumors stared when people kept selfing the plant with its own pollen. That makes it hard to remove traits when your replicating the same genes. Thats why newer techniques use female pollen on separate plants of the same generation (F) strain; and some will pollinate different generations (F) [hint-hint!] for better results. Forceing a plant is quite different than exploiting a genetic trait.

Lets also not forget the variables of people trying to grow the plant who inherently stress the plant to cause a hermie and then point fingers at the fact that its feminized. I have never had a feminized seed hermie on me.....and trust me, I have tried several times intentionally since I liked the genetics. Its a good way for an experienced breeder to "protect" their genetics.. Just buy from reputable breeders if you have any true concerns. If you still aren't convinced, then just don't buy fem seeds.

I'm not ranting, just hoping to educate out some bad rumors. I hope this info helps someone understand better.​
 
Dwezelitsame

Dwezelitsame

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here here
the hermmie trait is there in "EVERY" plant it depends on how dominate it is and how the genetics mix to the out come of how easy it is to surface there are also diff reasons a plant can stress hermmie like ph, temp as example
but it isn't one on\off gene that hermmie genetics are found diff plants have diff tendencies to produce diff kinds of hermmies for diff reasons found in their environment
the simplest thing i can point out is the fact that hermmie is a survival trait which means for whatever reason the plant hermmied due to a stress in environment that triggers a chemical response for the plant to protect it self and the next generation
some plants will take a beating and not show hermmie stress some will show the change over less brutal circumstances sometimes easily overlooked
 
Brick Top

Brick Top

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Sunbiz1 said:
In most cases yes, but there are some strains inclined to self-pollinate regardless...Central and South American sativas in particular. Whether this is due to original breeding errors, or a built-in genetic fail-safe to insure species survival remains a mystery.
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I used to grow a number of those types of strains in the 70's and I never had a single hermie. A few friends had like 1 or 2 each over years, but they did not cause pollination the pollen was sterile. I never started seeing or hearing about hermies in any numbers until there were professional breeders and seed companies and crosses began to dominate the market. Now a day doesn't go by without someone complaining about a hermie or hermies.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Dwezelitsame said:
Originally Posted by HomieHogleg Yes, but the fem seed carries the hermie trait, which will be passed to any seed made with her. Feminized seed, is made from the pollen of a hermie plant, so the fem seed has the hermie gene in the offspring. I may be wrong, but that is how I understand it.

HomieHogleg
I'm in no way trying to negative here, but this statement is spread all over the net on open forums and I believe it is very misleading. What scientific evidence do you have to support this statement. Thats a question to everyone; not you HommieHogLeg. This Fem/Hermie debate has me just shaking my head in disbelief. It's fuel'd by the internet "rumor mill" filled with arm-chair botanists.

There is a large difference between a recessive (or dominate) genetic trait and the plants ability to react to a chemical (un-natural) stimulus. Now look at the % of Sativa on the genetic mix. I could go on, but its not the feminized part of the seed, but the genetics the original parent has before it was feminized. I hate to piss on everyones parade, but if your into sativa strains, feminized or unfeminized its in the genes to naturally have the hermie trait. Good luck getting it out - but thats why we pay so much for the worked strains. If your into indicas, the rumors stared when people kept selfing the plant with its own pollen. That makes it hard to remove traits when your replicating the same genes. Thats why newer techniques use female pollen on separate plants of the same generation (F) strain; and some will pollinate different generations (F) [hint-hint!] for better results. Forceing a plant is quite different than exploiting a genetic trait.

Lets also not forget the variables of people trying to grow the plant who inherently stress the plant to cause a hermie and then point fingers at the fact that its feminized. I have never had a feminized seed hermie on me.....and trust me, I have tried several times intentionally since I liked the genetics. Its a good way for an experienced breeder to "protect" their genetics.. Just buy from reputable breeders if you have any true concerns. If you still aren't convinced, then just don't buy fem seeds.

I'm not ranting, just hoping to educate out some bad rumors. I hope this info helps someone understand better.​
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I stressed a plant into self-pollination 2 years ago, and did an experiment last year with the beans. Out of the 20 planted, 16 were straight female with no self-pollination tendencies at all. 3 were straight males, and the other one produced 1 single seed from an 8 foot in-ground.

Hmm, think I'll crack some more bag seed.
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Toolage 87 said:
Here are some reasons to buy regular seeds some times


1 - Tight budget so you get more seeds of regular kinds over feminized seeds.
2 - Breeding reasons.
3 - if you do seed to plant then take clones and grow and flower those clones it saves a lot of time and money.
4 - If you want you can make your own feminized seeds with CS or light poisoning.
5 - If you are growing regular seeds to find the perfect keeper mom in veg you can have a bigger genetic selection to chose from ie taste, THC production and more that you won't always get from a feminized strain that has been back crossed enough where each of them are close to being the same.
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1. I spent more growing pollen than I would have initially spent on fems...plus the wasted time.
2. Yes
3. I didn't plan on it, but I am now!.
4. Yes, but I have little interest in breeding.
5. I happen to be growing one right now that is not available as feminized...sannie's herijuana. So yeah, choices are narrowed.
 
northcalwood

northcalwood

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Just a quick one here. Myself, I've had acople hermie on me, I had bought some GHS AMS sounded lovely for a PNW plant mold resitant and fast. Just what I need. Out of 5 seed. I grew out 3 plants and all hermied, 1 seed didnt make it and I chucked the other seed in the trash. Other than that time I have had hermies, but its so rare that happens, least to me' that I will stick with the fem seed. It's so much better to put your work into a plant that is 99% sure female than waste on a male. But reg do have uses for sure.
Keepm Green
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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Brick Top said:
I used to grow a number of those types of trains in the 70's and I never had a single hermie. A few friends had like 1 or 2 each over years, but they did not cause pollination the pollen was sterile. I never started seeing or hearing about hermies in any numbers until there were professional breeders and seed companies and crosses began to dominate the market. Now a day doesn't go by without someone complaining about a hermie or hermies.
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http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4280.html

Then apparently DJ is an idiot, or you are.
 
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beans davis

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Sunbiz1 said:
I never smoked a bag of Mexican in the early 80's without seeds.
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You must have been in the wrong place and did'nt know the right people.

Late 70s-early 80s there was a LOT of sensi coming out of Oaxaca & Guerrero.
Farmers in Mexico found out they could get double the price for sensi and it was easy to find in the Houston area and most anywhere in Tex.

Comercial Mex was $10oz $100lb............sensi 250-$300lb $30oz.....street prices
 
Sunbiz1

Sunbiz1

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beans davis said:
You must have been in the wrong place and did'nt know the right people.

Late 70s-early 80s there was a LOT of sensi coming out of Oaxaca & Guerrero.
Farmers in Mexico found out they could get double the price for sensi and it was easy to find in the Houston area and most anywhere in Tex.

Comercial Mex was $10oz $100lb............sensi 250-$300lb $30oz.....street prices
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In 1982, those prices were triple in Chicago. I used to ship Craftsman tools to Mexico in the 80's, before NAFTA when they paid top dollar for shit they couldn't get. So you're telling me people were driving back and forth to Texas and tripling their $$ on herb here?

Damn, I was in the wrong business.
 
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