Recovering fraudulent or abused unemployment insurance?

CunningCanuk said:

Hopefully this one lasts about as long as that thread.

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dammit! i want to keep this one for the day- i put all my energies into setting up a hat trick for everyone.

someone set-up a Super Secret Double Dip on UI shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! not everyone is getting it..i'm good until 4/22.

thank you to Karma and other energies that exist even if you want to call it God

Rottedroots said:

Are people still getting unemployment insurance due to covid?

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do we still have covid?

Hollatchaboy said:

I was always under the impression that unemployment insurance is, just that, insurance, that you pay into with YOUR OWN money. Am I incorrect?

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you are incorrect; unemployment both SUTA (SUI) and FUTA (the federal sister) are paid by the Employer as is with Workman's Compensation.

CunningCanuk said:

I’m confused. Is the OP complaining about not getting enough unemployment benefits for himself or that there’s too much for everyone else?

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don't be.

i think he's mad because his jobber friend got $25k by lying to UI in his opinion.

he can always report his friend to UI but they might not be friends anymore after that..there could be a bounty too.

hanimmal said:

But it is still a percentage of what you pay them right? I think in Michigan it is like 7% of the wages paid up to $10k(?) might be a little off, but that is about $700 maxed out.

Is it much different than health insurance?

I get that getting a bill sucks, and do think that there should be new hire exemptions (to a point) so that employers can hire more people and have the ability to pick the best fitting employees. But it really is just part of the wages/bills that those employees are being paid at the end of the day no?

Anyways I do appreciate that UE sucks, but to the employers pissy about nobody wanting to work for them and pretending it is because they want to bring home those unenjoyment dollars with everything going on, I think they need to do some real soul searching.

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you are correct about the $7k wage cap where it sunsets.

schuylaar said:

you are incorrect; unemployment both SUTA (SUI) and FUTA (the federal sister) are paid by the Employer as is with Workman's Compensation.

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Ok I wasn't really sure. Thank you for the knowledge.

Hollatchaboy said:

Ok I wasn't really sure. Thank you for the knowledge.

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my pleasure

I think this in some ways, is the best economy since I was a kid. I remember seeing full page ads in the local papers, employees wanted, no experience needed, apply at GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc. This was back in the 70’s. I hired into GM, got laid off, later worked at Chrysler, quit and went to Gm. Then the Gipper made it cool to fire pretty much anyone, and the race to the bottom began.

Hollatchaboy said:

I was always under the impression that unemployment insurance is, just that, insurance, that you pay into with YOUR OWN money. Am I incorrect?

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Do you really think what you're paying unemployment insurance actually covers what you receive?

Rottedroots said:

Do you really think what you're paying unemployment insurance actually covers what you receive?

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If I've been paying in for 30 years and never taken from it.

I was just looking for input but as usual most of you can't provide insight and are limited to insults. Fast food is not the point here. The point is that people are still collecting in unemployment simply because the can. Gas stations are paying $18 dollars per hour.
Being frightened is NOT a reason to collect. You input sucks and conversation is non-existent. I've never collected in my life and I've worked since day one.
So why shouldn't people return to work? Why shouldn't we pursue money from people whose claims were positive. Sure as shit I don't think much of my pal who 25k and wasn't entitled to anything.
Frankly I think people who need unemployment insurance should get the support they need. I also believe people who have compromised health have a reason not in to work. Are there not available jobs where you are? You guys are jerks using any using any opportunity to prove it. At the very least support your insults. You guys are just what we need to make sure that Trump gets elected again. Don't try to convince anyone who likes Trump to change their views. Just bust their balls so they're sure to vote for the peckerhead. Yeah you guys are shallow so please provide some info along with your insults.

You worked as a baby?

Rottedroots said:

I was just looking for input but as usual most of you can't provide insight and are limited to insults. Fast food is not the point here. The point is that people are still collecting in unemployment simply because the can. Gas stations are paying $18 dollars per hour.

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Still working with public in a time of pandemic and utter crazy. Want me to find you videos of people losing their shit at gas stations? I am more than happy to.

Rottedroots said:

Being frightened is NOT a reason to collect.

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Nope, but a world wide pandemic that is killing millions of people is a very valid reason.

Rottedroots said:

You input sucks and conversation is non-existent.

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If you come for input, maybe ask for it? Also it is the internet, if you are trolled complaining about it doesn't really make sense.

Rottedroots said:

I've never collected in my life and I've worked since day one.

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So didn't you say at some point your family owns a retirement home? Nice privilege you have there to not even have needed to use the social safety net that almost all of us have been paying into since day one.

I imagine all the people you have relied on to keep your business running so that you can keep it have been paying into it just as much.

btw, how are your guys vaccine rates for your employees?

Rottedroots said:

So why shouldn't people return to work?

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Pandemic, no child care, spouse found a better job, don't want to work with crazies, going back to school to get new skills, etc. Many reasons keep people from going back.

Rottedroots said:

Why shouldn't we pursue money from people whose claims were positive.

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I don't know what you mean with this.

Are you trying to scrape back money from people you lost?

Rottedroots said:

Sure as shit I don't think much of my pal who 25k and wasn't entitled to anything.

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Did they take out some kind of fraudulent loan? And you didn't report the fraud?

Doesn't that make you just as big of a drag on our economy as them for not doing the right thing?

Rottedroots said:

Frankly I think people who need unemployment insurance should get the support they need. I also believe people who have compromised health have a reason not in to work.

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Cool.

Rottedroots said:

Are there not available jobs where you are?

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I would guess that the answer to that is yes for everyone in America.

Are you looking for new work? Check indeed maybe.

Rottedroots said:

You guys are jerks using any using any opportunity to prove it. At the very least support your insults.

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lol at 'you guys' snowflake on the internet.

Rottedroots said:

You guys are just what we need to make sure that Trump gets elected again.

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lol sure it is. Did you vote for Trump? I forget.

He might get the Republican nomination, but he already woke everyone up to the scam.

Rottedroots said:

Don't try to convince anyone who likes Trump to change their views. Just bust their balls so they're sure to vote for the peckerhead.

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You mean the trolls that come on here to spam for Trump/Republicans/hate mongers?

I don't think that they can break character long enough to try to convince them of anything. I think it is more important to act as a warning label for their scam in real time for anyone that is reading their spam.

Rottedroots said:

Yeah you guys are shallow so please provide some info along with your insults.

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lol again at 'you guys'.

Your snowflake troll is redundant.

Rottedroots said:

I was just looking for input but as usual most of you can't provide insight and are limited to insults. Fast food is not the point here. The point is that people are still collecting in unemployment simply because the can. Gas stations are paying $18 dollars per hour.
Being frightened is NOT a reason to collect. You input sucks and conversation is non-existent. I've never collected in my life and I've worked since day one.
So why shouldn't people return to work? Why shouldn't we pursue money from people whose claims were positive. Sure as shit I don't think much of my pal who 25k and wasn't entitled to anything.
Frankly I think people who need unemployment insurance should get the support they need. I also believe people who have compromised health have a reason not in to work. Are there not available jobs where you are? You guys are jerks using any using any opportunity to prove it. At the very least support your insults. You guys are just what we need to make sure that Trump gets elected again. Don't try to convince anyone who likes Trump to change their views. Just bust their balls so they're sure to vote for the peckerhead. Yeah you guys are shallow so please provide some info along with your insults.

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Shallow? What a sec. Your argument is UE benefits are are being abused because some people might not need it? And yet not one word about Republicans funneling BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars to corporations and lobbyists?
This is the worst sort of me-first self-centered ignorance badly disguised under a cloak of fake conservatism. You're resentful and enraged that someone else got a break you didnt. Period.

Rottedroots said:

You guys are just what we need to make sure that Trump gets elected again. Don't try to convince anyone who likes Trump to change their views. Just bust their balls so they're sure to vote for the peckerhead.

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How can you reason with people who dont live in reality? How do you shame the shameless? It can’t be done.

The ridicule isn’t to convince them, it just helps us deal with the fact these imbeciles are among us.

To imply they wouldn't vote for these trash republicans, if not for dems hurting their feelings. Oh okay. What's actually happening is just everyone finally putting their cards on the table. We're finding out what reps have really wanted all along and we're finding out what dems really think about it/them.

schuylaar said:

don't be.

i think he's mad because his jobber friend got $25k by lying to UI in his opinion.

he can always report his friend to UI but they might not be friends anymore after that..there could be a bounty too.

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I've never collected in my life and I'm not mad at my friend getting a big lump check. He's 60yo and he's paid 6 quarters in his whole life although he's always worked. You need 6 quarters for SSI. You don't need 6 quarters to get Mass health, EBT card and no referrals for Drs, Dentist and two pairs of glasses a year and lives with girlfriend who is on section 8. That not fair and the money could go to those more needy. Anyone who pays taxes should object.
I've no Al's never missed a day of work since the pandemic started.

I'm surprised that you do not believe fraudulent unemployment claims are not rampant. So we should continue to give it to everyone who applied without regard. That's not liberal, that's stupid.
I'm sure you guys are all for a living wage. How much is that an hour? $25? $50 ???

Of course there are fraudulent unemployment claims. Who are you arguing with?

lol @ people bitching about someone getting a couple hundred bucks of unenjoyment when multi-billionaires are paying next to nothing in taxes on all their gains and lobbyists are paying hundreds of millions/billions to keep it that way.