Re Vegging potency

STLbudz

STLbudz

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What up RIU, alright know that that revegging makes plants lose potency and from a previous grow that i did i seen lost of smell and hardly any HIGH, anyway I hear of people doing it all the time and they seem to be fine what with they get so would that mean it would depend on strain? Im asking this cuz i from that experience I stayed away from re vegged plants, but i recently got some grape Apes and Gods gift 2 strains i Have ran before and just love them , the problem with them is im guessing that they were in there stretch when i got them because when i put them in my veg room they didnt grow for a week or 2, and started to shoot single and three bladed leaves wich is sign of reveg:( , they growing great now but starting to think if there going to be shitty when i flower them, now this bring me to my Q's,and if any1 has experience from a re vegged plant please let me know what your outcome was, advice and experienced info greatly appreciated Thanx
 
Tragic420

Tragic420

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i would also like to know if re vegging is ok or if it cuts down the thc level....... bump bump
 
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growone

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revegged 3 different plants, all gave the same potency as the first run
strange that the OP had a bad result, but you never know what strange plant you may get
 
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bigsteve

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Re-growing, or re-vegging, does not affect the potency of pot. I will say some sativas are hard to re-grow,
but I've re-grown a ton of different types and see no drop off in quality.

Thing you will see with a typical re-grow --
A. shorter veg time, 3 weeks usually does it for mine.
B. shorter flower time, I knock a full week off the flower time for re-grows, shorter flower time because...see C.
C. re-grown plants have many more, but smaller, bud sites than the original harvest. Makes sense when you realize
every spot you cut off a bud the first harvest will sprout 2 bud sites when re-grown.
D. takes me twice as long to harvest a re-grow because of C.

Re-growing belongs right up there with cloning and freebie beans as the growers' best friends.
BigSteve.
 
STLbudz

STLbudz

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thanks for the info guys when my run is done ill come back and post what i came up with, any1 with any experience please keep it coming thanx
 
STLbudz

STLbudz

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Ok im around 40 days into flower n the tri devolopment is not as fast as the first go round cant speak for grape ape but im sure it could look better,well.c how it smokes, ive ran gods gift n blue dream lots of times n these reveged clones simply just dont cut it, ,also another big CON is the veg phase it takes around 2 weeks to revert, so pretty much u will have a much bigger plant from a fresh rooted clone thts vegged for 5 weels than 1 revegged for 10, all in all will never reveg or work with a reged plant
 
zack66

zack66

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STLbudz said:
Ok im around 40 days into flower n the tri devolopment is not as fast as the first go round cant speak for grape ape but im sure it could look better,well.c how it smokes, ive ran gods gift n blue dream lots of times n these reveged clones simply just dont cut it, ,also another big CON is the veg phase it takes around 2 weeks to revert, so pretty much u will have a much bigger plant from a fresh rooted clone thts vegged for 5 weels than 1 revegged for 10, all in all will never reveg or work with a reged plant
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I did a reveg with a kush strain and almost doubled my yield from original grow. I trimmed the bottom third off the reveg and ended up with 12 nice colas. No loss in potencey but lot's of time invested trimming off new growth. Overall it was worth it. It's a great way to save a strain if you didn't take clones off her.
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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Interesting old thread. I read something in a High Times magazine a long time ago where a Swiss weed farmer said that clones from a plant that had been flowered and reveged produced weaker weed than clones from plants that never flowered since they were born. Whether it's true I don't know. That's the only person who ever said it that I know of. Somebody would have to do experiments. Most of my clones have come from flowered plants, and I have been thinking that my weed should be more potent than it is. Could be a connection. Why did I do it after having read that? Simple necessity. I would get short on cuttings at some point and resort to cuttings from flowering plants.

My most recent addition, an OG strain, has been used as a clone mother without ever flowering, or ever having been a clone itself. It's directly from the seed grown plant. They're still just freshly rooted clones so I won't know what the potency is like for a few months but I'm going to avoid taking clones off a flowering plant and will keep the mothers under 24 hour light. They'll flower eventually with anything less than 20.5 hours light per day. I guess 21/3 would be usable cycle to reduce power consumption.
 
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Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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BobCajun said:
Interesting old thread. I read something in a High Times magazine a long time ago where a Swiss weed farmer said that clones from a plant that had been flowered and reveged produced weaker weed than clones from plants that never flowered since they were born. Whether it's true I don't know. That's the only person who ever said it that I know of. Somebody would have to do experiments. Most of my clones have come from flowered plants, and I have been thinking that my weed should be more potent than it is. Could be a connection. Why did I do it after having read that? Simple necessity. I would get short on cuttings at some point and resort to cuttings from flowering plants.

My most recent addition, an OG strain, has been used as a clone mother without ever flowering, or ever having been a clone itself. It's directly from the seed grown plant. They're still just freshly rooted clones so I won't know what the potency is like for a few months but I'm going to avoid taking clones off a flowering plant and will keep the mothers under 24 hour light. They'll flower eventually with anything less than 20.5 hours light per day. I guess 21/3 would be usable cycle to reduce power consumption.
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Interesting old revive but bob I generally send everything I grow to be tested and the reveg of my pink 2.0, c-99 and a few others and they tested close to the original thc levels within +/- 1-3 points it in my experience doesn't affect the end product. All my clones from any plant are the same as well but that's my 2 pennies
 
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JDMase

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BobCajun said:
Interesting old thread. I read something in a High Times magazine a long time ago where a Swiss weed farmer said that clones from a plant that had been flowered and reveged produced weaker weed than clones from plants that never flowered since they were born. Whether it's true I don't know. That's the only person who ever said it that I know of. Somebody would have to do experiments. Most of my clones have come from flowered plants, and I have been thinking that my weed should be more potent than it is. Could be a connection. Why did I do it after having read that? Simple necessity. I would get short on cuttings at some point and resort to cuttings from flowering plants.

My most recent addition, an OG strain, has been used as a clone mother without ever flowering, or ever having been a clone itself. It's directly from the seed grown plant. They're still just freshly rooted clones so I won't know what the potency is like for a few months but I'm going to avoid taking clones off a flowering plant and will keep the mothers under 24 hour light. They'll flower eventually with anything less than 20.5 hours light per day. I guess 21/3 would be usable cycle to reduce power consumption.
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Could you clarify your last paragraph? How is it that they flower with 20.5hours of light? Maybe im missing something. Have you got a grow journal? Thanks
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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BobCajun said:
I read something in a High Times magazine a long time ago where a Swiss weed farmer said that clones from a plant that had been flowered and reveged produced weaker weed than clones from plants that never flowered since they were born.
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I'm on the fence on that idea.

It never did effect some Blue Cheese done like that.....
I don't re-veg anything after blooming any more but......

BobCajun said:
They'll flower eventually with anything less than 20.5 hours light per day. I guess 21/3 would be usable cycle to reduce power consumption.
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????? Sorry but, I disagree 100% on that....
You're not going to get that response from any Indica or heavy Indie cross, with that time....
Sativa's tend to not re-veg... Pure or landrace for sure not, or at the least....Not very well, if at all.

Take clones at the flip and don't worry about it.
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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JDMase said:
Could you clarify your last paragraph? How is it that they flower with 20.5hours of light? Maybe im missing something. Have you got a grow journal? Thanks
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They flower eventually, just more slowly as the hours of light increase. Then around 20-20.5 they just stay in veg permanently.
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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Lordhooha said:
Interesting old revive but bob I generally send everything I grow to be tested and the reveg of my pink 2.0, c-99 and a few others and they tested close to the original thc levels within +/- 1-3 points it in my experience doesn't affect the end product. All my clones from any plant are the same as well but that's my 2 pennies
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Well like I said, it was just one guy in Switzerland. It does sound illogical, same flowers. I think the real difference is between seed grown plants and clones. Seed grown will take shorter days to flower, from forum posts I read. They said clones from a seed plant would flower outside with 15 hour days while the seed plant itself wouldn't flower until days got down to 13, meaning several weeks apart.

I took clones from a seed grown plant recently, which was growing under 24 hour light since birth and had no flowers on the nodes at all yet. The clones got node flowers at the 7th set of nodes up, branches still directly opposite each other like a new seedling, so maybe that's how many nodes that strain requires before it can flower as a clone.

One thing I noticed recently was when I flowered some seed plants they took a really long time to start budding, like 4 weeks, and then the buds turned out very loose and never seemed to ripen. But clones I took from those plants after they were flowering for a few weeks reveged and then when I flowered them they started budding right away like normal, couple weeks. Maybe if you take clones from a plant that flowered and was reveged the clones will flower faster than if the mother had never flowered. Like maybe they wouldn't even need 7 nodes to flower.
 
Lordhooha

Lordhooha

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BobCajun said:
Well like I said, it was just one guy in Switzerland. It does sound illogical, same flowers. I think the real difference is between seed grown plants and clones. Seed grown will take shorter days to flower, from forum posts I read. They said clones from a seed plant would flower outside with 15 hour days while the seed plant itself wouldn't flower until days got down to 13, meaning several weeks apart.

I took clones from a seed grown plant recently, which was growing under 24 hour light since birth and had no flowers on the nodes at all yet. The clones got node flowers at the 7th set of nodes up, branches still directly opposite each other like a new seedling, so maybe that's how many nodes that strain requires before it can flower as a clone.

One thing I noticed recently was when I flowered some seed plants they took a really long time to start budding, like 4 weeks, and then the buds turned out very loose and never seemed to ripen. But clones I took from those plants after they were flowering for a few weeks reveged and then when I flowered them they started budding right away like normal, couple weeks. Maybe if you take clones from a plant that flowered and was reveged the clones will flower faster than if the mother had never flowered. Like maybe they wouldn't even need 7 nodes to flower.
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Clones start forming flowers quicker due to the fact they have already reached sexual maturity and are able to produce the hormone to make flowers much faster than the seeded plant. As for the reveg having airy buds it can denpend on your light source and intensity.
 
BobCajun

BobCajun

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I found a page that seems to say that reveged plants produce lower quality. It didn't go into detail. Maybe it only applied to those plants and not clones from them.

To grow cannabis indoors, it is generally advisable to give marijuana plants a photoperiod of 18 hours of daily light (18/6 cycle). But what happens when we move a plant – that has already received 18 hours of daily light – outdoors in spring (before mid-June)?

1. The marijuana plant only receives between 12 and 16 hours of light per day, so this sudden decrease of the photoperiod can make the plant begin the flowering period in most cases.

2. However, as photoperiod increases progressively each day (by some minutes) until 21 June, marijuana plants will stop flowering to go back to the growing period. This natural process, called vegetative regeneration, is both very long and very stressful for the plant. Plants will then form numerous deformed and abnormal leafs before starting to grow again several weeks later.

3. In July, days begin to get shorter and plants flower again, this time definitely. This flowering after vegetative regeneration will unfortunately be poorer in both quantity and quality.

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BobCajun

BobCajun

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I recommend that nobody grow plants outdoors from seed, but rather take clones from the seed plants and grow them outdoors. That guy who said clones would flower with 15 hour days was probably a little off, though I guess it's possible. One article I read about hemp put the critical day length of several varieties between 14.2 and 14.9, so 15 might actually work with some weed strains.

My point is that if seed plants start flowering a couple weeks later than clones from the same plant then obviously people in northern climates would be wise to choose the clone method.
 
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