Random Cloning Idea

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Caanan18

Caanan18

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So I was recently talking to co-workers and I got this crazy idea and I can't get it outta my head of course I'll be trying it soon myself to experiment. So we all know full well how to take cuttings and clone our ladies and to do so you cut a branch and take off the bottom node to let it root. What if you were to do the exact same to the top of that cutting? Essentially bending it over into an upside down U, assuming that this branch is long enough and enough nodes to support itself during this process could it in theory be possible to have both ends root and have an awesome arch from which to start out? I am the farthest to being an expert on gardening but to me I can't really see why it wouldn't work. Perhaps the stress would be too much for it to begin rooting in two different spots but who knows... I'm going to try it anyway next time I take a set of clones. If anyone has ever heard or even thought about this at one point or just has some input on this I'd greatly welcome it :mrgreen:
 
caveman117

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I've thought about it.before but my thought wasn't an arch. I was thinking cut holes in the side of two smart pots and root it out of one side of a pot and grow it into the pther side hole of the.other pot and try to root it. Then be able to water both sides like Normal pots From the top.

I never pursued this thought because i didnt think it would work. And if it did.work by chance idk if it would be wprth it haha (other than it being cool looking).
 
RM3

RM3

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You could for sure do it, but I don't see a benefit ? However the inverted U in 2 pots is a cool thing, takes a bunch of extra veg time though.
 
Hydrotech364

Hydrotech364

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Caanan18 said:
So I was recently talking to co-workers and I got this crazy idea and I can't get it outta my head of course I'll be trying it soon myself to experiment. So we all know full well how to take cuttings and clone our ladies and to do so you cut a branch and take off the bottom node to let it root. What if you were to do the exact same to the top of that cutting? Essentially bending it over into an upside down U, assuming that this branch is long enough and enough nodes to support itself during this process could it in theory be possible to have both ends root and have an awesome arch from which to start out? I am the farthest to being an expert on gardening but to me I can't really see why it wouldn't work. Perhaps the stress would be too much for it to begin rooting in two different spots but who knows... I'm going to try it anyway next time I take a set of clones. If anyone has ever heard or even thought about this at one point or just has some input on this I'd greatly welcome it :mrgreen:
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I'll give it a try, my aerocloners will make petrified wood root !
 
Caanan18

Caanan18

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caveman117 said:
I've thought about it.before but my thought wasn't an arch. I was thinking cut holes in the side of two smart pots and root it out of one side of a pot and grow it into the pther side hole of the.other pot and try to root it. Then be able to water both sides like Normal pots From the top.

I never pursued this thought because i didnt think it would work. And if it did.work by chance idk if it would be wprth it haha (other than it being cool looking).
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Definitely your idea would be cool looking but, I think that it would very definitely be a waste of space and soil/nutes main reason being that most of the roots going to the other side wouldn't fill out the other pot. Still cool


RM3 said:
You could for sure do it, but I don't see a benefit ? However the inverted U in 2 pots is a cool thing, takes a bunch of extra veg time though.
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Well if it can I feel it would be beneficial seeing that two rootballs is definitely better than one I wonder about the possibility of them choking one another? If in two pots that wouldn't be an issue but I was thinking more along the lines of in one solid sized pot or at least move her up to one later on. Also consider how one main stem supports all the rest of the branches the inverted U in my head would make for much better support? Maybe I'm crazy but I gon do it anyways :D


Hydrotech364 said:
I'll give it a try, my aerocloners will make petrified wood root !
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Well I hope you do I was considering keepin it to myself till I tried and experimented first but I thought hey someone might be in a better position than me and would have a branch ready to clone. If you do it I definitely wanna see some damn pictures o that shit ya got that??? lmao but seriously yeah keep us all posted of how it goes!
 
Hydrotech364

Hydrotech364

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I have some Bros who were recently in Bangladesh and they saw Herb split down the stalk and limbs growing from the split,I think the 2 bucket tech that was mentioned would work good with this.I cleaned an aeropot last night.I make my own cloners.Its chop time and family is stopping in on there way to cali but Ill get pics up by this afternoon.Gonna have to be a long cutting.I have a Blue Bonic female that I revegged,she should have a gnarly mutant cut ready.I glanced over and saw that some sprouts had finally showed.
 
I.G.Rowdit

I.G.Rowdit

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Caanan18

Caanan18

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I.G.Rowdit said:
Your idea is basically what is called 'compound layering' in mainstream horticulture. This technique is usually used for plant propagation not yield enhancement.

Have a look: http://content.ces.ncsu.edu/plant-propagation-by-layering-instructions-for-the-home-gardener

The example focuses on blackberry propagation but this type of layering works for anything that is flexible enough to take a serpentine form.
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Thanks probably didn't word it right when I was researchin it course nothing on cannabis lol. Also my personal idea here I feel more resembles that tip layering one and from reading it a bit more I'm more or less seeing situations in which the parent plant uses a branch and roots from some of it being in the ground. Whereas I'd be taking a clone and instead of rooting the bottom I'd bend it over and root both top and bottom. Perhaps the yield won't be higher at all, maybe it will I only say this because if the plant can support more weight it often will since less energy is wasted trying to hold itself up haha. I also figure that the added root mass would better fill the pot thus able to support a bigger plant more efficiently seeing as most of the time plants will send out roots and they'll just hit the sides and then just circle two sets would then in the most ideal situation fill the medium with more viable roots. Course the more I think about it the more I doubt what I'm saying even now seeing all the possible problems, of course I won't know if my worries are actually an issue until I or someone else gives it a shot!
 
I.G.Rowdit

I.G.Rowdit

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Caanan,
By all means try it! I was not trying to discourage you. I just wanted to point out that there may be some guidance from what has been done in mainstream horticulture.

I've never heard of anyone doing what you suggested so you may be the first, go for it and report back.
 
Caanan18

Caanan18

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Hydrotech364 said:
I have some Bros who were recently in Bangladesh and they saw Herb split down the stalk and limbs growing from the split,I think the 2 bucket tech that was mentioned would work good with this.I cleaned an aeropot last night.I make my own cloners.Its chop time and family is stopping in on there way to cali but Ill get pics up by this afternoon.Gonna have to be a long cutting.I have a Blue Bonic female that I revegged,she should have a gnarly mutant cut ready.I glanced over and saw that some sprouts had finally showed.
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Whatever happens post it I'll be anticipating your results :D
 
Caanan18

Caanan18

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I.G.Rowdit said:
Caanan,
By all means try it! I was not trying to discourage you. I just wanted to point out that there may be some guidance from what has been done in mainstream horticulture.

I've never heard of anyone doing what you suggested so you may be the first, go for it and report back.
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Will most definitely do I need to find my darn cam charger its somewhere! Course I need a long enough stem to get this all started. I have some Super Lemon Haze clones going and they're pickin up so I'll be able to do it soon as soon as I get started I'll post that update :mrgreen: Also thanks for the help :smile:
 
Alexander Supertramp

Alexander Supertramp

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Caanan18 said:
So I was recently talking to co-workers and I got this crazy idea and I can't get it outta my head of course I'll be trying it soon myself to experiment. So we all know full well how to take cuttings and clone our ladies and to do so you cut a branch and take off the bottom node to let it root. What if you were to do the exact same to the top of that cutting? Essentially bending it over into an upside down U, assuming that this branch is long enough and enough nodes to support itself during this process could it in theory be possible to have both ends root and have an awesome arch from which to start out? I am the farthest to being an expert on gardening but to me I can't really see why it wouldn't work. Perhaps the stress would be too much for it to begin rooting in two different spots but who knows... I'm going to try it anyway next time I take a set of clones. If anyone has ever heard or even thought about this at one point or just has some input on this I'd greatly welcome it :mrgreen:
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Its known as root layering. Been around forever. Heres a link: http://content.ces.ncsu.edu/plant-propagation-by-layering-instructions-for-the-home-gardener
 
Caanan18

Caanan18

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So I dunno if anyones looking at this thread anymore but in the off chance anyone is I have begun the experiment. I currently have a long clone with both the top nodes and bottom nodes chopped and in an inverted U in two rockwool cubes I'll try posting a pic up later if I don't get too lazy. I admit the way it's set up is not ideal plus it seems to be super stressful for it as the bending was a bit hard to get right even still it tried to recover from the bend and one of the cubes is now at a slight angle I don't wanna push it back down case any lil roots are poppin out no need to stress her out more then already done. I also have two other clones that I'm about to get going they were in my clone dome for a tad longer wanted to test out and mess around with this using the hydrogel from diapers sorta watering hack shit haha. If successful I'll just be flowering soon as I see some substantial root mass in a 1 gal least let it get started lol.
 
Caanan18

Caanan18

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If it does indeed survive despite its pretty bad setup here I'll be ploppin her into two seperate solo cups then into one bigger 5gal pot once they fill up the cups. The other two I didn't focus on will be the diaper experiment :D
 
mr sunshine

mr sunshine

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Caanan18 said:
Thanks probably didn't word it right when I was researchin it course nothing on cannabis lol. Also my personal idea here I feel more resembles that tip layering one and from reading it a bit more I'm more or less seeing situations in which the parent plant uses a branch and roots from some of it being in the ground. Whereas I'd be taking a clone and instead of rooting the bottom I'd bend it over and root both top and bottom. Perhaps the yield won't be higher at all, maybe it will I only say this because if the plant can support more weight it often will since less energy is wasted trying to hold itself up haha. I also figure that the added root mass would better fill the pot thus able to support a bigger plant more efficiently seeing as most of the time plants will send out roots and they'll just hit the sides and then just circle two sets would then in the most ideal situation fill the medium with more viable roots. Course the more I think about it the more I doubt what I'm saying even now seeing all the possible problems, of course I won't know if my worries are actually an issue until I or someone else gives it a shot!
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This idea is old , I thought of it a few years ago.
 
Caanan18

Caanan18

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mr sunshine said:
This idea is old , I thought of it a few years ago.
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Gee thanks for that, not for nothin but all you say is its old and you already thought of it. But all I'm getting out of it is that you have no proof of any experiment, whether or not you even tried/succeeded, and pretty much nothing of actual positivity to add.
 
my_second

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Caanan18 said:
Gee thanks for that, not for nothin but all you say is its old and you already thought of it. But all I'm getting out of it is that you have no proof of any experiment, whether or not you even tried/succeeded, and pretty much nothing of actual positivity to add.
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Hi @Caanan18, how did this go? Did they root?
 
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