Quick Question

Is, or can growing hydroponic ever be considered organic, is the act in of itself considered
to not be organic?
I know the plants are organic, and all that stuff.
Thank You for your replyies

No. Hydro is an unnatural state for a plant and cannot be seen as organic. Regardless of the nutrients used, you are replacing the plant's natural ability to get what it needs to grow from soil....hence unnatural...hence not organic.

Ok, thank you. I do however plan to grow in this fashion, it is just damn efficient, and bountiful
Another quick question: would you consider feminized seeds like GMO seeds, just curious?
Now for a legitimate question:
1.Are "Under Water Current, and DWC the same thing?
2.Do we air separately for "Under Water Current?
Thank you for your patients
Off to work

MoodyShoes said:

No. Hydro is an unnatural state for a plant and cannot be seen as organic. Regardless of the nutrients used, you are replacing the plant's natural ability to get what it needs to grow from soil....hence unnatural...hence not organic.

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Umm no...there most certainly is organic hydro. It has nothing to do with if its "natural", oh and there's plenty of plants that grow naturally in hydro type environments, go look at any pond or lake.

or·gan·ic
ôrˈɡanik/
adjective
adjective: organic

1. 1.
   of, relating to, or derived from living matter.
   "organic soils"
   synonyms: living, live, animate, biological, biotic
   "organic matter"
   • CHEMISTRY
     of, relating to, or denoting compounds containing carbon (other than simple binary compounds and salts) and chiefly or ultimately of biological origin.
   • (of food or farming methods) produced or involving production without the use of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, or other artificial agents.
     synonyms: pesticide-free, additive-free, natural
     "organic vegetables"

BUMP

Hey I've got another question, I just discovered that all plastic is not created equal, some food grade some not.
I can get the buckets either round or square in food grade polly, but the PVC from bucket to bucket seems a great deal
more difficult to obtain, does anyone have any resources for that type of PVC,? Thank you.

roundplanet said:

Hey I've got another question, I just discovered that all plastic is not created equal, some food grade some not.
I can get the buckets either round or square in food grade polly, but the PVC from bucket to bucket seems a great deal
more difficult to obtain, does anyone have any resources for that type of PVC,? Thank you.

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If your looking to start hydro, I'd recommend coolers. They keep your res temps lower, which is a big deal in hydro

roundplanet said:

Are "Under Water Current, and DWC the same thing?

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basically. dwc is in a single bucket/tub. undercurrent is rdwc with the nute solution constantly circulating among all the buckets/tubs.

rdwc is even more productive than dwc.

are you talking about pvc pipes between each bucket? if so, pvc is used for drinking water so just as safe as food grade.

if you are building it yourself, use the square buckets and bulkhead fittings (see marine supply stores). the fitting will work much better (no leaks) on a flat surface vs a round surface.

rkymtnman said:

basically. dwc is in a single bucket/tub. undercurrent is rdwc with the nute solution constantly circulating among all the buckets/tubs.

rdwc is even more productive than dwc.

are you talking about pvc pipes between each bucket? if so, pvc is used for drinking water so just as safe as food grade.

if you are building it yourself, use the square buckets and bulkhead fittings (see marine supply stores). the fitting will work much better (no leaks) on a flat surface vs a round surface.

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Thank you very much, huge help. Yes I have been growing "for a year and a day" outside, and indoors but with soil. It just seems really kool to
grow using the "Under Current System" However building a system seems to be some what difficult, on the face value it's all buckets and hoses.
But.... When you start to dig down it's more complex than that, buckets, actually finding food grade not white but black buckets drilling holes,
putting in fittings etc. That's to say nothing of O2 for the roots CO2 for the leaves, air movement, this pump that pump, and on. But thank you for answering
my question.

roundplanet said:

Thank you very much, huge help. Yes I have been growing "for a year and a day" outside, and indoors but with soil. It just seems really kool to
grow using the "Under Current System" However building a system seems to be some what difficult, on the face value it's all buckets and hoses.
But.... When you start to dig down it's more complex than that, buckets, actually finding food grade not white but black buckets drilling holes,
putting in fittings etc. That's to say nothing of O2 for the roots CO2 for the leaves, air movement, this pump that pump, and on. But thank you for answering
my question.

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i started with dwc, built my own rdwc and then went to hempy buckets. if you want to try a hydro grow for less than $10, get yourself a black 5 gal bucket, a 7/16" drill bit and drill a hole 2" up from bottom. fill with chunky perlite or i use growstones. get some hydro nutes and you are done.

with the hole in the bucket, it's almost impossible to overwater. and the 2" space at the bottom becomes your reservoir.

i built an auto feed system. i fill up my res once a week, check pH, and i can go away for a week without a problem.

dwc/rdwc is fun and ultraproductive but you have to stay on top of pH and EC or things can go wrong really fast.

once you go hydro, you'll be hooked.

rkymtnman said:

i started with dwc, built my own rdwc and then went to hempy buckets. if you want to try a hydro grow for less than $10, get yourself a black 5 gal bucket, a 7/16" drill bit and drill a hole 2" up from bottom. fill with chunky perlite or i use growstones. get some hydro nutes and you are done.

with the hole in the bucket, it's almost impossible to overwater. and the 2" space at the bottom becomes your reservoir.

i built an auto feed system. i fill up my res once a week, check pH, and i can go away for a week without a problem.

dwc/rdwc is fun and ultraproductive but you have to stay on top of pH and EC or things can go wrong really fast.

once you go hydro, you'll be hooked.

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That's what I am hoping, just get swept up in all the hoopla, this system, that system and all the different types of growing
Hydroponically. I will go with "Under Current System" start with 12 plants, but have to convince myself to go slow, study
and get the facts straight.

My worry is that the chemicals used to grow can be caustic and thus cause a release of "petro chemicals from the plastics
we use effecting the up take to my plants and making them toxic. Remember I know nothing about Hydro, I worry because "Chemical Fertilizers" used on farms like "Anhydrous
Ammonia" and others are very caustic, thats all. Again thank you for your reply.

roundplanet said:

That's what I am hoping, just get swept up in all the hoopla, this system, that system and all the different types of growing
Hydroponically. I will go with "Under Current System" start with 12 plants, but have to convince myself to go slow, study
and get the facts straight.

My worry is that the chemicals used to grow can be caustic and thus cause a release of "petro chemicals from the plastics
we use effecting the up take to my plants and making them toxic. Remember I know nothing about Hydro, I worry because "Chemical Fertilizers" used on farms like "Anhydrous
Ammonia" and others are very caustic, thats all. Again thank you for your reply.

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just send UC an email and ask about the plastic they use. for the money they charge, it should be safe to use.

WeedFreak78 said:

Umm no...there most certainly is organic hydro. It has nothing to do with if its "natural", oh and there's plenty of plants that grow naturally in hydro type environments, go look at any pond or lake.

or·gan·ic
ôrˈɡanik/
adjective
adjective: organic

1. 1.
   of, relating to, or derived from living matter.
   "organic soils"
   synonyms: living, live, animate, biological, biotic
   "organic matter"
   • CHEMISTRY
     of, relating to, or denoting compounds containing carbon (other than simple binary compounds and salts) and chiefly or ultimately of biological origin.
   • (of food or farming methods) produced or involving production without the use of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, or other artificial agents.
     synonyms: pesticide-free, additive-free, natural
     "organic vegetables"

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Thank You

Cannabis in hydroponics isn't natural, because cannabis isn't a water based plant, but hydro can be done organically.