Question regarding the book TLO by The Rev

IIReignManII

IIReignManII

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In part of this book he says

"I’m going to be fairly straightforward about this: for lighting, I prefer using bulbs with better overall spectrums for growing all-naturally. One of my all-time favorite bulbs for full term, sprout to harvest TLO growing is the Eye Blue Metal halide (MH). My least favorite is the High Pressure Sodium (HPS) bulb. HPS bulbs do not seem to allow the plant to absorb and/or process nutrients as well as the MH bulbs, unless you are growing with a synthetic set up or a “Soup-Style” organic set up, which I will discuss later in this book."

I'm about to switch into flower, and if I'm trusting by what The Rev says, should I not put in my HPS and flower under my MH?
 
mmjmon

mmjmon

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Let us know how it goes.

IIReignManII said:
In part of this book he says

"I’m going to be fairly straightforward about this: for lighting, I prefer using bulbs with better overall spectrums for growing all-naturally. One of my all-time favorite bulbs for full term, sprout to harvest TLO growing is the Eye Blue Metal halide (MH). My least favorite is the High Pressure Sodium (HPS) bulb. HPS bulbs do not seem to allow the plant to absorb and/or process nutrients as well as the MH bulbs, unless you are growing with a synthetic set up or a “Soup-Style” organic set up, which I will discuss later in this book."

I'm about to switch into flower, and if I'm trusting by what The Rev says, should I not put in my HPS and flower under my MH?
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Hugo Phurst

Hugo Phurst

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I read it as, if you're going to veg and flower under a single light "Eye Blue Metal halide" is better than a HPS.
I used to use 1,200w MH & 400wHPS for veg and 1,200HPS & 400wMH for flower to fill out the light spectrum.
Now I use CMH.

Good luck
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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IIReignManII said:
In part of this book he says

"I’m going to be fairly straightforward about this: for lighting, I prefer using bulbs with better overall spectrums for growing all-naturally. One of my all-time favorite bulbs for full term, sprout to harvest TLO growing is the Eye Blue Metal halide (MH). My least favorite is the High Pressure Sodium (HPS) bulb. HPS bulbs do not seem to allow the plant to absorb and/or process nutrients as well as the MH bulbs, unless you are growing with a synthetic set up or a “Soup-Style” organic set up, which I will discuss later in this book."

I'm about to switch into flower, and if I'm trusting by what The Rev says, should I not put in my HPS and flower under my MH?
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I'm about to switch all my flowering HIDs to these...

https://eyehortilux.com/grow-lights/blue-metal-halide/

they're a little pricey... but the CRI looks amazing on these. I love the spectrum. Yeah it could use a little bit more red/orange... but I think these are gonna crush it. Bout to pick them up here real soon.
 
kratos015

kratos015

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ShLUbY said:
I'm about to switch all my flowering HIDs to these...

https://eyehortilux.com/grow-lights/blue-metal-halide/

they're a little pricey... but the CRI looks amazing on these. I love the spectrum. Yeah it could use a little bit more red/orange... but I think these are gonna crush it. Bout to pick them up here real soon.
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First I'm hearing of this, so much new stuff coming out it's almost hard to keep track. Especially with lighting. I'd love to see a comparison between these and the DE bulbs, but with what I've seen from DE lights I don't see myself switching from them any time soon unless I get the money for a good LED set up.




To the OP, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what the Rev says in his book. The information in his book is either antiquated at best and just plain misinformation at worst. With the exception of an EWC tea, compost teas are superfluous and cause more problems than anything else. Teas are fine if you're using them to jump start the cooking process of a new batch of soil, but if you use them while your plants are growing in the soil you will have issues. Teas essentially turn things into a hydroponic grow in the sense that you are taking control away from the plant and putting it back in your hands. Personally, I trust my plants and my soil more than myself. A lot of Rev's soil recipes are mediocre as well, they have way too much crap in them. I personally don't like Rev much, he has kind of a pompous attitude considering how little he actually knows. Rev's soil recipes are similar to Subcool's, the difference is that Subcool will be the first to tell you that he doesn't know what he's talking about and his recipe is "Just what works for me" in his own words.

Look into Clackamas Coot's recipe, which is a slightly upgraded version of Cornell University's recipe. Peat, perlite, and compost in equal parts. Only organic amendments are crab, neem, and kelp meals as well as Basalt, Gypsum, and Glacial Rock Dust for minerals.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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kratos015 said:
First I'm hearing of this, so much new stuff coming out it's almost hard to keep track. Especially with lighting. I'd love to see a comparison between these and the DE bulbs, but with what I've seen from DE lights I don't see myself switching from them any time soon unless I get the money for a good LED set up.




To the OP, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock into what the Rev says in his book. The information in his book is either antiquated at best and just plain misinformation at worst. With the exception of an EWC tea, compost teas are superfluous and cause more problems than anything else. Teas are fine if you're using them to jump start the cooking process of a new batch of soil, but if you use them while your plants are growing in the soil you will have issues. Teas essentially turn things into a hydroponic grow in the sense that you are taking control away from the plant and putting it back in your hands. Personally, I trust my plants and my soil more than myself. A lot of Rev's soil recipes are mediocre as well, they have way too much crap in them. I personally don't like Rev much, he has kind of a pompous attitude considering how little he actually knows. Rev's soil recipes are similar to Subcool's, the difference is that Subcool will be the first to tell you that he doesn't know what he's talking about and his recipe is "Just what works for me" in his own words.

Look into Clackamas Coot's recipe, which is a slightly upgraded version of Cornell University's recipe. Peat, perlite, and compost in equal parts. Only organic amendments are crab, neem, and kelp meals as well as Basalt, Gypsum, and Glacial Rock Dust for minerals.
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I don't think they're gonna outcompete a DE in terms of weight or anything, but I'm interested to see what it does to the overall flower in terms of terps and resin count. My buddy has been using them for a round or two and he says they're great, so I thought I'd give them a try.

I 100% agree with you about the Rev's book. My cousin bought it and was learning about organic cannabis growing and he was telling me some of the recipes and methods from it and I was like... huh? It is getting outdated for sure.

Don't forget about the malted barely with coot's recipe! I missed that and I feel like I got left at the station after I learned more about it. It's going to become a staple for me I have a feeling...
 
kratos015

kratos015

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ShLUbY said:
I don't think they're gonna outcompete a DE in terms of weight or anything, but I'm interested to see what it does to the overall flower in terms of terps and resin count. My buddy has been using them for a round or two and he says they're great, so I thought I'd give them a try.

I 100% agree with you about the Rev's book. My cousin bought it and was learning about organic cannabis growing and he was telling me some of the recipes and methods from it and I was like... huh? It is getting outdated for sure.

Don't forget about the malted barely with coot's recipe! I missed that and I feel like I got left at the station after I learned more about it. It's going to become a staple for me I have a feeling...
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Malted barley is used for the same reason as SSTs right? It really is game changing though, the difference is practically night and day. You ever try using coconut water? It produces incredible results and I never go without it. The node growth is produces is literally explosive and I've never seen anything like it. Shorter node spacing and more node growth to boot, it's ridiculous.

DEs are incredible too though. I got an off brand one of Amazon for $180 and I will never go back to SE lights. I can dim a DE down to 600w and still outperform a SE 1000w. In fact, I went from 4 600w SE lights in a 6x8 grow to a single 1000w DE light and got better results with the one 1000w DE bulb than I did with 2400w of SE. I'd love to get a good LED set up going, but I'm only in a 10x15 shed and simply can't justify the cost of converting to LED at the moment.
 
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Wetdog

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ShLUbY

The malted barley is a good thing, but can easily be over done. Some when making the mix and a couple times over the course of the grow is plenty. Them enzymes be strong, so keep an eye on things.

Hmmm ... Did a little math on those Gro Pros. The 5gal is actually 7.4 gallons to the brim (1 cf), and the 8gal is 12.74 gallons to the brim. Plenty of room for the stated amount, mulch, and whatnot and still plenty of room for watering.

Wet
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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kratos015 said:
Malted barley is used for the same reason as SSTs right? It really is game changing though, the difference is practically night and day. You ever try using coconut water? It produces incredible results and I never go without it. The node growth is produces is literally explosive and I've never seen anything like it. Shorter node spacing and more node growth to boot, it's ridiculous.

DEs are incredible too though. I got an off brand one of Amazon for $180 and I will never go back to SE lights. I can dim a DE down to 600w and still outperform a SE 1000w. In fact, I went from 4 600w SE lights in a 6x8 grow to a single 1000w DE light and got better results with the one 1000w DE bulb than I did with 2400w of SE. I'd love to get a good LED set up going, but I'm only in a 10x15 shed and simply can't justify the cost of converting to LED at the moment.
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that's awesome though. I am also looking to move into LED. I can justify it because I'm looking at the HLG 550, which performs as well as a 1000w SE. I use 600w SE, so my yield should go up 50-80% making the switch (once I figure out the nutritional needs of having more light!). They are impressive lights. Probably the best bang for the buck right now as far as LED goes.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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Wetdog said:
ShLUbY

The malted barley is a good thing, but can easily be over done. Some when making the mix and a couple times over the course of the grow is plenty. Them enzymes be strong, so keep an eye on things.

Hmmm ... Did a little math on those Gro Pros. The 5gal is actually 7.4 gallons to the brim (1 cf), and the 8gal is 12.74 gallons to the brim. Plenty of room for the stated amount, mulch, and whatnot and still plenty of room for watering.

Wet
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sounds like a winner to me!
 
kratos015

kratos015

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ShLUbY said:
that's awesome though. I am also looking to move into LED. I can justify it because I'm looking at the HLG 550, which performs as well as a 1000w SE. I use 600w SE, so my yield should go up 50-80% making the switch (once I figure out the nutritional needs of having more light!). They are impressive lights. Probably the best bang for the buck right now as far as LED goes.
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Last I checked into LEDs a couple months back it was around $500-$600 for enough LEDs to light a 4x4 set up and unfortunately that is just too much money for me at the moment. I'm pretty sure the HLG will even perform as well as a 1000w DE light, if not better. LEDs have a pretty respectable penetration power these days. While the LED doesn't penetrate like a DE does, there is simply no other source of light that provides such an even coverage of light at every point. It would cost me nearly $1000 to get enough LEDs to fill the same 5x6 area my DE light does, and the DE only cost me $180. It would take nearly 1.5 years for me to see the savings that LED lights provide. From what I can tell, the people in warehouse style grows or even hobbyist tent growers will reap the most benefits from the switch to LED. However, guys like me who are in the middle of the spectrum are simply unable to justify LED unless they upscale or downscale.

As someone who's been growing since 2008 (and still very much a newbie) it astonishes me to see the amount of new technology that is coming out for growing these days, not to mention the research. While the spectrum of DEs are not quite as good as LED's spectrums, I personally don't feel the slight improvement in spectrum is worth the extra $600-$800 to me yet and I doubt we'll see LEDs prices lower much more than they already have. But we can dream!
 
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JohnieDaniels

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Very interesting, I would like to read something else on this topic! Recently, I used to read online free series, maybe there will be something from what you recommend to me?)
 
kratos015

kratos015

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JohnieDaniels said:
Very interesting, I would like to read something else on this topic! Recently, I used to read online free series, maybe there will be something from what you recommend to me?)
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Teeming with Microbes could practically be considered the Bible of growing in a living soil. Contrary to popular belief, there is a difference between organic soil and a living organic soil. Just because a soil is composed of pure organic materials does not always mean it has life in it, and that is the most important.

Teeming with Microbes will help you understand the how and the why of growing in living organic soil. After reading through that, the ROLS sticky thread in this section of the forum also has a wealth of information in it. Once you've armed yourself with that knowledge it is just a matter of getting some plants growing and gaining experience with how it all works together.

The most difficult part of growing in a living soil is actually letting go and letting the plants+soil be in charge of everything. I came from using synthetics before starting organic, and the toughest thing for me to get a grasp on was that I literally had to do nothing but water.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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kratos015 said:
The most difficult part of growing in a living soil is actually letting go and letting the plants+soil be in charge of everything. I came from using synthetics before starting organic, and the toughest thing for me to get a grasp on was that I literally had to do nothing but water.
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so true. the people i have introduced to organic growing had the hardest time with this concept haha. and breaking the wet/dry water cycle was hard for them too. but once they got the hang of it all, they crushed it.
 
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