Question regarding goof-up involving Fox Farms Tiger Bloom

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0xo0

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Hello all,

Would one use of Tiger Bloom (a single feeding) totally screw up an all-organic grow? I mean more in regards to microbes, not as far as labeling it organic or pushing it as organic or anything like that.

I was using teas made from various Fox Farms Peace Of Mind line products, I also put PoM stuff in the soil before planting/transplanting/etc. and all too. But I ended up getting a bottle of Tiger Bloom for free, and I ended up using it for a feeding before I remembered it's not organic and subsequently got to thinking much about the implications of the move.

Think I would I be able to just go back to the PoM and get any lost soil life restored (since they include microbes and all), or would it be smarter to maybe just switch to Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom for the rest of the grow?
 
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0xo0

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I should mention this one is pretty far along, I'd imagine there couldn't be much more than a month left if even that. I suppose there really isn't that much more feeding to even do, maybe I'm overthinking this...
 
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cnotejimi

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Dont get big bloom from fox farm it takes to much of it try hpk instead but i would say go with the organic for the rest of flower maybe mollases
 
Laospower

Laospower

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mr.beanalien said:
tiger bloom is toxic to marijuana, i am convinced. use growbig as the base. tiger sucks it always causes big problems fast, youll see with gbig you dont need the tiger
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Oh really can you please answer this for me because i was gonna go pick up some tiger bloom to go with my big bloom so is it better to just get grow big instead?
 
Weedoozie

Weedoozie

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I recommend Earth Juice, I have the entire line and it's worked very well for me :grin:
check my current 2nd grow (link in sig) for the evidence

Oh, and its organic!
 
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0xo0

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But if I went back to any kind of organic ferts, would the Tiger Bloom have screwed me as far as microbial activity? Or could it still recover as is? Or if I either used something like PoM that has microbes added, or added them myself?
 
Weedoozie

Weedoozie

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0xo0 said:
But if I went back to any kind of organic ferts, would the Tiger Bloom have screwed me as far as microbial activity? Or could it still recover as is? Or if I either used something like PoM that has microbes added, or added them myself?
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Well, I'm not sure if you murdered your entire BB population. Also, I don't know if there's any way of adding more BB to your current medium now. I'm not sure in what phase of flowering you're in but one solution to this problem could be to transplant your girl into a larger container and add natural and organic Happy Frog soil with Mycorrhizae and other BB. That might restore the BB population but you might want to flush that tiger bloom out first as well as possibly add superthrive to pause your plants before transplanting as it can be negatively stressful during flowering
 
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Yeah, I've been considering just about everything. They're actually outdoor (in pots, started indoor), these are the first ones I've ever done outdoor and they're definitely taking a bit longer than the ones I've kept indoor. I guess I'm really nowhere near sure how much more time they've got left, I'm really really hoping it's no more than a month though. Thanks a bunch for the input everyone.
 
Total Head

Total Head

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tiger bloom is not organic so you would not be able to call the grow organic. neither is grow big for that matter. big bloom is organic. as far as keeping the soil full of the microbes, the big bloom would help with conditioning the soil but the organic benefit would be short lived with using the other stuff.
 
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Illumination

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Total Head said:
tiger bloom is not organic so you would not be able to call the grow organic. neither is grow big for that matter. big bloom is organic. as far as keeping the soil full of the microbes, the big bloom would help with conditioning the soil but the organic benefit would be short lived with using the other stuff.
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I have a question...If the micro herd eats organics then shit or pees the same nutrients we are supplementing then how does it kill it? Or is it that since the plants are receiving all the nutes they need is it that it doesn't "feed" the micro herd as much as it isn't needed as much so the population decreases? And if the micro herd is breaking down the poop and pee into the same things as the salts we feed them then how is one "better" than the other? I feel a combination is best and much easier to manage. Please answer these questions as I have not seen any proof to the contrary in taste potency or yield.

Thank you and I anxiously await your answer.

Namaste':peace:
 
Total Head

Total Head

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Illumination said:
I have a question...If the micro herd eats organics then shit or pees the same nutrients we are supplementing then how does it kill it? Or is it that since the plants are receiving all the nutes they need is it that it doesn't "feed" the micro herd as much as it isn't needed as much so the population decreases? And if the micro herd is breaking down the poop and pee into the same things as the salts we feed them then how is one "better" than the other? I feel a combination is best and much easier to manage. Please answer these questions as I have not seen any proof to the contrary in taste potency or yield.

Thank you and I anxiously await your answer.

Namaste':peace:
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i never said the "microbe herd" would be killed using synthetics, i said the organic benefit would be short lived (but to answer your question the synthetic ferts on their own do not feed the micro herd and it does eventually die off, and it's a pretty common belief that the mineral salts in synthetics [like tiger bloom] can in fact kill certain micro organisms). i also never endorsed one over the other, i was merely attempting to answer the op's question about whether or not using tiger bloom screwed up an "all-organic grow", which it did. i happen use a combination of organic and synthetic stuff in my own grows so i honestly have no idea how to answer the rest of your questions or why you asked them. i never had an angle.
 
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Illumination

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Total Head said:
i never said the "microbe herd" would be killed using synthetics, i said the organic benefit would be short lived (but to answer your question the synthetic ferts on their own do not feed the micro herd and it does eventually die off, and it's a pretty common belief that the mineral salts in synthetics [like tiger bloom] can in fact kill certain micro organisms). i also never endorsed one over the other, i was merely attempting to answer the op's question about whether or not using tiger bloom screwed up an "all-organic grow", which it did. i happen use a combination of organic and synthetic stuff in my own grows so i honestly have no idea how to answer the rest of your questions or why you asked them. i never had an angle.
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No angle my friend and not seeking argument. I have been searching for the real reason to grow "organic" and how it is supposedly better, so I ask these questions but no one has given real evidence of any benefit. Always get the "it tastes better" or "it is better for you" or "chem tasting weed" which are all poppycock as I have seen that drying and trimming and curing controls taste, the organics supply the "SAME CHEMICALS!!" to the plant that the salts do so how is it better for you?
Never any verifiable FACTS for the "organic is better" belief system. Now I do not imply that growing the organic way isn't good or great even. Just cant see why not use everything that works best together you know? This whole "organic" thing reminds me very much of the "CO2 is poison" movement for the fattening of some people's wallets.

Was not an attack just real questions friend. Hope that sheds some light as to why I asked.

Namaste':peace:
 
Total Head

Total Head

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lol i had just had an argument on another forum and i thought everyone was picking on me. sorry about that. i think the whole "use both together" idea upsets a lot of purists. the organic people say that using the synthetics ruins the product, and the synthetic people say the organics ruin the yeild. using both together does not satisfy either side. the main benefit to organic growing is it can be a lot cheaper and self sustaining especially over a large area, and it's obviously better for the environment. it is also believed that having a strong micro herd is better for the immune system of the plant. the health aspect of organic weed is not appealing to me because i smoke it for crying out loud. i have only had organic herb twice, and only one of the times did i get to compare the same strain that was grown in hydro, and honestly the organic did have a much richer flavor. i personally could never do an all organic grow inside without making a disgusting mess or spending top dollar for "cleaner" organic ferts. however my new bloom fert uses a urea based nitrogen rather than ammonium nitrate, and from what i understand urea based nitrogen can in fact promote microbial activity in soil, which i will be further supplementing with big bloom. all i care about is the best results for my budget honestly. if i grew outdoors i would definately go all organic though because that flavor difference was really unforgettable.
 
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Illumination

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Total Head said:
lol i had just had an argument on another forum and i thought everyone was picking on me. sorry about that. i think the whole "use both together" idea upsets a lot of purists. the organic people say that using the synthetics ruins the product, and the synthetic people say the organics ruin the yeild. using both together does not satisfy either side. the main benefit to organic growing is it can be a lot cheaper and self sustaining especially over a large area, and it's obviously better for the environment. it is also believed that having a strong micro herd is better for the immune system of the plant. the health aspect of organic weed is not appealing to me because i smoke it for crying out loud. i have only had organic herb twice, and only one of the times did i get to compare the same strain that was grown in hydro, and honestly the organic did have a much richer flavor. i personally could never do an all organic grow inside without making a disgusting mess or spending top dollar for "cleaner" organic ferts. however my new bloom fert uses a urea based nitrogen rather than ammonium nitrate, and from what i understand urea based nitrogen can in fact promote microbial activity in soil, which i will be further supplementing with big bloom. all i care about is the best results for my budget honestly. if i grew outdoors i would definately go all organic though because that flavor difference was really unforgettable.
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I too use both and that is exactly the point I was going to bring up...urea...awesome stuff. As for taste in compared to hydro I would concur. But soil and soiless inside with or without synths...the same. Of course outdoors makes tons of sense and really need the immuno portion in the "wild" outdoors. I think you can achieve a real combo of chems and naturals indoors in soil or soiless that is every bit as potent tasty and aromatic as "organic" or hydro...easier and cheaper.


So we concur..

Namaste' :peace:
 
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0xo0

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Cool, thanks a bunch. I'm not growing for me or selling it, the label doesn't mean much to me and my only concern about it would have been taste beyond the more immediate potential microherd issues.
 
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