Question on watering and feeding

odam2k

odam2k

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I've always been the "weed is a weed" type, basically letting it do it's own thing, not particularly concerning myself with details, such as feeding schedules etc. When it wilted, I watered it...

Last year I started trying to automate everything, and I've got the watering down pat. I need some more pumps and stuff to complete the automatic watering, but it works,, I've used it on a test plant. Right now, it just notifies me that a plant needs to be watered.

So my question for y'all, what about feeding?

Background: I am veg'ing under a 400W MH dimmed to 250W out in the open in a bedroom, and flowering in a 4x4 tent with a 600W HPS. Temps are usually around 80F and humidity about 45% right now...

I've attached a picture at the bottom of the stuff I'm using, I just picked it off the shelf at the local grow shop, again, not paying attention to details... it costs $50 for all 4 bottles...

The directions say 2ml of A and 2ml of B per liter of water, but I've read many times online to use half strength. I use a syringe to measure out 2ml of each for 2L of water. I use the fert every time I water, which is always when the soil has dried out , just before they would start to wilt... Can't really specify a time, since they need water more often as they grow and go into flower...

So my questions are:

Is this stuff any good?

What do you recommend (links if possible) and price...

Do you use supplements?

Should I use more/less of this?

Should I feed every time I water?


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odam2k

odam2k

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I guess I forgot to add, I'm growing in ProMix...

I've seen references to MegaCrop on this site before, seems popular. Some good reading in the links above, thanks...
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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odam2k said:
I've always been the "weed is a weed" type, basically letting it do it's own thing, not particularly concerning myself with details, such as feeding schedules etc. When it wilted, I watered it...

Last year I started trying to automate everything, and I've got the watering down pat. I need some more pumps and stuff to complete the automatic watering, but it works,, I've used it on a test plant. Right now, it just notifies me that a plant needs to be watered.

So my question for y'all, what about feeding?

Background: I am veg'ing under a 400W MH dimmed to 250W out in the open in a bedroom, and flowering in a 4x4 tent with a 600W HPS. Temps are usually around 80F and humidity about 45% right now...

I've attached a picture at the bottom of the stuff I'm using, I just picked it off the shelf at the local grow shop, again, not paying attention to details... it costs $50 for all 4 bottles...

The directions say 2ml of A and 2ml of B per liter of water, but I've read many times online to use half strength. I use a syringe to measure out 2ml of each for 2L of water. I use the fert every time I water, which is always when the soil has dried out , just before they would start to wilt... Can't really specify a time, since they need water more often as they grow and go into flower...

So my questions are:

Is this stuff any good?

What do you recommend (links if possible) and price...

Do you use supplements?

Should I use more/less of this?

Should I feed every time I water?


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I have used that line and it's in a Rubbermaid tote packed away. I found it very high in salts and it would leave that salty crust after drying out regardless of volume of water used. I liked their CalMag though it's a bit high in nitrogen it never gave me issues or did it have that salt issue. FWIW I use a coco/perlite mix. I've tried most major brands and now im currently using MegaCrop with some additives.
 
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odam2k

odam2k

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odam2k said:
MegaCrop is one formula for veg AND flower? I see the feeding chart, but it makes no mention of different products for different cycles...
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Further reading answered my question... Seems radical, I've always used different formula for veg and flower...

I'll order some at the end of the month and give it a try for sure. Should I also get the Bud Booster? Any experience with it?

CalyxCrusher said:
I found it very high in salts and it would leave that salty crust after drying out regardless of volume of water used.
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No kidding, I had a pump in my watering reservoir just to keep it stirred up, and it was clogged solid within a week with salts.

Flash63 said:
Use the 50% rule if you’re in promix,weigh the plant after watering,then when it’s lost 50% of its weight,water till runoff10-20%. Letting your plant wilt is “no bueno”.Now go take that shit back and get some Megacrop.
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Got that taken care of, in fact, my system even estimates how log until a plant will need watering :) It's getting more accurate...

In fact, with Mega Crop and the schedule I read, you modify the amount of Mega Crop based on the life cycle of the plants... I grow perpetual harvest, so every plant is at a different time in it's life, that's going to complicate my automatic watering... I'm sure I'll manage to make it work...
 
Farmer.J

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odam2k said:
1)Should I also get the Bud Booster? Any experience with it?





2) In fact with Mega Crop and the schedule I read, you modify the amount of Mega Crop based on the life cycle of the plants... I grow perpetual harvest, so every plant is at a different time in it's life, that's going to complicate my automatic watering... I'm sure I'll manage to make it work...
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1) Megacrop already has bud booster in it. You shouldn't need calmag either. The only product green leaf has (to my knowledge) that isn't in megacrop is their terp enhancer "Sweet Candy"

2) I run perpetual, so i simply use 4g/gal for flower res and 3g/gal for veg res. I also add Enzymes Komplete to keep my lines from clogging. I heard there is a cheaper option of beneficial enzymes on Amazon, I paid $100 for 4L.
 
odam2k

odam2k

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Farmer.J said:
2) I run perpetual, so i simply use 4g/gal for flower res and 3g/gal for veg res. I also add Enzymes Komplete to keep my lines from clogging. I heard there is a cheaper option of beneficial enzymes on Amazon, I paid $100 for 4L.
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Will ANY product calling itself "beneficial enzymes" help keep the lines from clogging, or is this something specific to theirs? Sorry, probably a dumb question...
 
Farmer.J

Farmer.J

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odam2k said:
Will ANY product calling itself "beneficial enzymes" help keep the lines from clogging, or is this something specific to theirs? Sorry, probably a dumb question...
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They are supposed to, I never had autopot lines clog with Remo, every week with megacrop I have clogs, not saying one is better than the other, both companies have a good product.
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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Farmer.J said:
1) Megacrop already has bud booster in it. You shouldn't need calmag either. The only product green leaf has (to my knowledge) that isn't in megacrop is their terp enhancer "Sweet Candy"

2) I run perpetual, so i simply use 4g/gal for flower res and 3g/gal for veg res. I also add Enzymes Komplete to keep my lines from clogging. I heard there is a cheaper option of beneficial enzymes on Amazon, I paid $100 for 4L.
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They also make a PK booster as well. Oddly enough I was able to feed my last grow 6g/Gal with no ill effects.
 
TintEastwood

TintEastwood

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FYI. Changes are in the works for Sweet Candy. (BC and MC too maybe)

Details over at auto flower network.

Exerpt from Greenleaf Rep. on afn.
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"Hi all, and happy growing!

We are considering on making some changes to Sweet Candy in about 1 month time.

Problem: Bud Explosion (BE) our PK booster, and Sweet Candy (SC) have too much of an overlap.

Solution: We want to separate the purposes of BE and SC to be more distinctive products that people will pick either one to use.
  • So, BE will be used for sterile/pure PK booster type purpose. This gravitates more towards RDWC/Aeroponics/Rockwool and "pure" type hydroponic applications.
  • So we want to move Sweet Candy towards the organic/soil/living media type application that is less compatible with hydroponics due to large particle sizes that can't be directly absorbed in hydroponics, but can benefit soil and media environment"
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TintEastwood

TintEastwood

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Breakdown for MC and a few other recipes.
For Mega, most common addition is 1gr epsom per gallon to bring mag and sulfer up a bit. Coco-holics like me usually need additional cal and/or mag. Lol
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RobinT

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If you like to do business with a company that takes your money when they have no product and no plan to get product, then Greenleaf Nutrients is for you. If you especially enjoy the aforementioned being accompanied by zero communication and zero nutrients for your PEAK FLOWERING plants, then Mega Crop/Greenleaf Nutrients is your kind of company. If you're like me and expect to get what you pay for, or at the very least some sort of communication saying something like "Hey, we are out and will likely be out until September", then move along and use a different feed. This stuff isn't bad, but it did NOT outperform Advance Nuturients Sensi Grow/Bloom A+B in an indoor grow, and cost per feeding is similar. Just some honest feedback from a guy who has spent several hundred $ with Greenleaf Nutrients this calendar year.....
 
The Hippy

The Hippy

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RobinT said:
If you like to do business with a company that takes your money when they have no product and no plan to get product, then Greenleaf Nutrients is for you. If you especially enjoy the aforementioned being accompanied by zero communication and zero nutrients for your PEAK FLOWERING plants, then Mega Crop/Greenleaf Nutrients is your kind of company. If you're like me and expect to get what you pay for, or at the very least some sort of communication saying something like "Hey, we are out and will likely be out until September", then move along and use a different feed. This stuff isn't bad, but it did NOT outperform Advance Nuturients Sensi Grow/Bloom A+B in an indoor grow, and cost per feeding is similar. Just some honest feedback from a guy who has spent several hundred $ with Greenleaf Nutrients this calendar year.....
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You can get it in Canada no issue.
 
CalyxCrusher

CalyxCrusher

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RobinT said:
If you like to do business with a company that takes your money when they have no product and no plan to get product, then Greenleaf Nutrients is for you. If you especially enjoy the aforementioned being accompanied by zero communication and zero nutrients for your PEAK FLOWERING plants, then Mega Crop/Greenleaf Nutrients is your kind of company. If you're like me and expect to get what you pay for, or at the very least some sort of communication saying something like "Hey, we are out and will likely be out until September", then move along and use a different feed. This stuff isn't bad, but it did NOT outperform Advance Nuturients Sensi Grow/Bloom A+B in an indoor grow, and cost per feeding is similar. Just some honest feedback from a guy who has spent several hundred $ with Greenleaf Nutrients this calendar year.....
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Not sure if you're in Canada or US but I've had no issues with Greenleaf personally in Canada. I switched from Advanced Nutrients Sensi AB and also their 3 part and the cost is nowhere similar, not even the same universe. I used advanced exclusively for almost 12 years and I cut my costs by over 10X by switching over. I still add CalMag, a carb, and a PK booster and still come out cheaper with the same or better results. Sorry about your luck, maybe maybe it's just a shitty rep.
 
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