Quantum Boards / Too much Yapping no proof

2klude

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You don't need side by sides any more dude. Be honest with yourself. Side by sides were 3 years ago. You won't see side by sides because everyone but me has totally switched.
Still love my De's but I bit the bullet on (6) meijiu 8 bar lights being used as dedicated veg lights. I think next year I might start swapping out some of the DE lights for the Gavita 1930's but doing to do it slowly. My friend had a 12 light De room and swapped 6 fixtures to the 1930s and he's happy, will be swapping everything out for 1930's next run.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

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Still love my De's but I bit the bullet on (6) meijiu 8 bar lights being used as dedicated veg lights. I think next year I might start swapping out some of the DE lights for the Gavita 1930's but doing to do it slowly. My friend had a 12 light De room and swapped 6 fixtures to the 1930s and he's happy, will be swapping everything out for 1930's next run.
You won't regret it. You'll have to compensate for the lesser heat. So, be ready.
 
Nice dude. A couple new ones there to me. Thanks. Your post got missed for sure, don't get too upset.

You would think that when someone says there are dozens of side by sides showing hps losing every time, they would post one or two. Then when someone asks about them, others wouldn't respond for him by not supplying what was asked, then arguing for days about it no?

So thanks for stepping up where everyone else turned into shit humans who think they are better than someone out of the own falsities they created in their head.

Anyways, nice post. Have a great day.

Well you kept asking for sbs's even when I gave you two posts with side-by-sides and research, you have a way of discussing, seemingly ignoring facts that turns even me into a 'shit' human and wanting to chew your face off. And be honest, your forum title is a bit of a trigger, so Im guessing part of you really enjoyes splashing a big spoon in a big pile of manure....
 

Wastei

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You have provided nothing. Just as expected. No links, no papers, no pics, no nothing.

@pop22 Where are the dozens of side by sides
Ah OK so you say you've gone through all off @rkymtnman postings the last 6 years? You're a complete fool being completely new to a forum and whine on members who's actually been contributing to the forum and community for well over 6 years.

Get off your fucking pedestal and start contributing, if not I'm more than glad to show you the door.
 

Aeroknow

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Still love my De's but I bit the bullet on (6) meijiu 8 bar lights being used as dedicated veg lights. I think next year I might start swapping out some of the DE lights for the Gavita 1930's but doing to do it slowly. My friend had a 12 light De room and swapped 6 fixtures to the 1930s and he's happy, will be swapping everything out for 1930's next run.
Do you got gavita DE’s?
I do/did and use their controller. Only real problem i ran ito when swapping out was that i like to run my DE’s at 1150w’s, 115%.
And i had the EL1. As far as i know you wouldn’t want to run the 1930’s at 115% so i picked up the EL2 and ran 2 zones. Maybe i didn’t need to but i tried getting ahold of hawthorne to ask and they never got back to me.
Sucks they couldn’t make the hanger locations in the same spot, off by an inch. And you need new cables. Not necessarily new cable but most likely longer interconnect cables. You can snip off the old connectors and crimp on rj45’s if the lengths are still good. The 1930’s only need 4 wire not the 8 that’s in cat5.
 

a mongo frog

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Still love my De's but I bit the bullet on (6) meijiu 8 bar lights being used as dedicated veg lights. I think next year I might start swapping out some of the DE lights for the Gavita 1930's but doing to do it slowly. My friend had a 12 light De room and swapped 6 fixtures to the 1930s and he's happy, will be swapping everything out for 1930's next run.
Same. I love my DE's. I may swap every other row for a 650 bar style. I bought 2 QB's while back to see, bunch of Timber stuff too. I too have all my LED dedicated to veg right now. Super excited about LED and the future though!
 

Star Dog

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Well thank God I took pics when you didn't.!

Seriously dude, get your shit together. This was a "bad grow" when I didn't know the stretch of a new strain or the thinness of their branches. One day I woke up to find an entire 5X5 tent with every cola toppled like dominos. It was a painful experience and I spent an entire day lifting up each cola with a combination of string, and yoyos. I yielded 3 pounds and 1.4 ounces from this messy grow and also yielded more than 200 grams of bubble hash. Here is them at 3 more weeks!
It's certainly dense in there, what is your method that people are dubious about?
Whatever it is it appears to work well for you.
Very nice!
 

Northwood

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It's certainly dense in there, what is your method that people are dubious about?
Whatever it is it appears to work well for you.
Very nice!
The "dubious" part in these grows was using regular household screw-in light bulbs from Walmart or Home Depot to grow weed indoors.

My point was that whether quantum boards or HPS or other light sources are used, as long as your plants receive enough light of adequate spectrum they will live up to their genetic potential with everything else being equal. That's why I think this entire "this vs. that" thread is stupid. Both LED and HPS have advantages and disadvantages, with the disadvantages of each offset by using the appropriate setup. You can get superior penetration by raising a powerful HPS far from the plants and blasting them if headroom isn't an issue and heat is mitigated. There is no question however that LEDs are more efficient, with the ability to provide more coverage in setups where headroom is limited. It may simply be the price of electricity in someone's province or state that influences the choice in lighting technology.

Even the argument of seeing a "side-by-side" to prove something IMO is silly simply because a plant grown to its genetic potential with whatever lighting technology you use will show similar results, provided you have identical genetics and environment. And yes, both LED and HPS are fully capable of growing a plant to its full genetic potential from my experience.
 

ComfortCreator

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Listen, a dude hijacked someone else's thread and challenged the entire forum to prove to him something that nobody really gives a sxxx about except him.

Like I said, nobody else wants to die on this stupid fxxxxxx hill bro. Give it up you were a really well respected poster.
 

Star Dog

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The "dubious" part in these grows was using regular household screw-in light bulbs from Walmart or Home Depot to grow weed indoors.

My point was that whether quantum boards or HPS or other light sources are used, as long as your plants receive enough light of adequate spectrum they will live up to their genetic potential with everything else being equal. That's why I think this entire "this vs. that" thread is stupid. Both LED and HPS have advantages and disadvantages, with the disadvantages of each offset by using the appropriate setup. You can get superior penetration by raising a powerful HPS far from the plants and blasting them if headroom isn't an issue and heat is mitigated. There is no question however that LEDs are more efficient, with the ability to provide more coverage in setups where headroom is limited. It may simply be the price of electricity in someone's province or state that influences the choice in lighting technology.

Even the argument of seeing a "side-by-side" to prove something IMO is silly simply because a plant grown to its genetic potential with whatever lighting technology you use will show similar results, provided you have identical genetics and environment. And yes, both LED and HPS are fully capable of growing a plant to its full genetic potential from my experience.
I can relate to a lot of what you say especially the heat and the electricity cost, running cost was my primary reason for trying led, it turns out that they are just to cool running, I need the heat from hid in the autumn/winter for both heat and humidity control.
Spring/summer is on its way and I've a TS1000 + kingbright 240w to test out for myself, I was fortunate enough to win the tsl 2000 in the draw, however it wouldn't have made sense for me to go buying one then need a heater 24hrs.
From what I've seen/read both can grow decent weed i think maybe it's the user that's the most important part.
 

Northwood

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I can relate to a lot of what you say especially the heat and the electricity cost, running cost was my primary reason for trying led, it turns out that they are just to cool running, I need the heat from hid in the autumn/winter for both heat and humidity control.
Spring/summer is on its way and I've a TS1000 + kingbright 240w to test out for myself, I was fortunate enough to win the tsl 2000 in the draw, however it wouldn't have made sense for me to go buying one then need a heater 24hrs.
From what I've seen/read both can grow decent weed i think maybe it's the user that's the most important part.
I bet up here in the north there's someone running super-efficient HLG LED panels along with 1200 watt baseboard heaters 24/7 to keep their plants from freezing 6 months of the year. Lol
 

Brettman

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I bet up here in the north there's someone running super-efficient HLG LED panels along with 1200 watt baseboard heaters 24/7 to keep their plants from freezing 6 months of the year. Lol
That’s what I think every time people go on about 30watts per square foot lol
 

2klude

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Do you got gavita DE’s?
I do/did and use their controller. Only real problem i ran ito when swapping out was that i like to run my DE’s at 1150w’s, 115%.
And i had the EL1. As far as i know you wouldn’t want to run the 1930’s at 115% so i picked up the EL2 and ran 2 zones. Maybe i didn’t need to but i tried getting ahold of hawthorne to ask and they never got back to me.
Sucks they couldn’t make the hanger locations in the same spot, off by an inch. And you need new cables. Not necessarily new cable but most likely longer interconnect cables. You can snip off the old connectors and crimp on rj45’s if the lengths are still good. The 1930’s only need 4 wire not the 8 that’s in cat5.
Yeah I run the Slim Gavitas 1k's off a EL2 controller flipping 2 rooms and I never go past 100%. I'm lucky that my close friend is doing the swap from Gavita De's to the 1930's so I get first hand feedback and get to see them in action. He's on his second run, 1st run he hit similar numbers but slightly better quality. He's at the end of his second run and is already sold. Swapping out the other 6 fixtures for 1930's.
 

Aeroknow

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Yeah I run the Slim Gavitas 1k's off a EL2 controller flipping 2 rooms and I never go past 100%. I'm lucky that my close friend is doing the swap from Gavita De's to the 1930's so I get first hand feedback and get to see them in action. He's on his second run, 1st run he hit similar numbers but slightly better quality. He's at the end of his second run and is already sold. Swapping out the other 6 fixtures for 1930's.
I’m swapping out the other 8 within a couple weeks. So fuckin busy building my new house but will find the time soon.
I haven’t seen better quality, nearly identical end product, which is good because i grow fire. but yeah very similar numbers.
 

Star Dog

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I bought a bunch of 630 cmh’s when they first came out. Tried a run. Turned them into veg lights.

I wouldn’t waste your time.
Did you find with your sbs that one half had different nutrient requirements to the other half with ec values, calmag etc, I've read a number of times that you need more ec/calmag with LEDs but not necessarily with HID what did you find?
 

Aeroknow

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Did you find with your sbs that one half had different nutrient requirements to the other half with ec values, calmag etc, I've read a number of times that you need more ec/calmag with LEDs but not necessarily with HID what did you find?
No. And honestly, i rarely experience deficiencies even when i grow a bunch of different strains at the same time and in a bunch of different setups i’ve hooked people up with.
I got my nutrient routine down pretty pat. Been using the same EC for years. 1.8ish. In hydro and dirt. When watering pots of dirt with 1.8 i water with nutes everytime with plenty of run-off. Some on here think it’s too high but it’s what i do. The last four years i’ve been rockin only megacrop.
 
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