Quality LED light besides LUMATEK to replace a 600w HPS?

FadedGrapes said:

Mb is actually like 6ft 2 height just actually checked.

Also what do you mean “include optics”?

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Tbh honest, looking at their webpage properly i dont know what to say about those optics. Generally optics are for concetrating the light but these seem a bit different, they seem to saay alot but nothing really, just that its great. Even the par maps are hard to interpret, seems like its not a single unit but several per m2 and it definitely seems like its made to flower hanging 2 feet over cannopy. Add the unit plus hanging and the pots and whatevers under the pots thats at least 3 feet, possibly more. This means around 3 feet of actual height. Personally i absolutely prefer some lolipopping, leaving a nice clear space under tthe cannopy to move air and avoid humidity concentrating in the cannopy. After that you would maybe have 1.5-2 foot of height reserved for your plant and all its branches. That is not a lot, its very easy to mess up a bit and over grow a space like that. Just seems like a light (or actually several) which can hang low down on the cannopy, 8-12" would suit your space much better.
Another thing is the diodes: pure 3535 foot print, even for the whites is not used on any other modern grow light i know of. The midpowers, 0.6w max, seems to be the kings of efficiency nowadays, you just have to use a lot of them and just forget about optics. 3535 seems to mostly be made for running less of them but a bit harder, from 1-1.5w which does not work as efficient.

The more i look at the telos the more it feels like its a grow light with one foot in todays white based light and one foot in the old blurple+tight optics and very little spread. Does anyone remember who did the thread recently about ditching their telos leds, and going over to gavitas, cause simply he couldnt get the results he wanted? Somebody will remember im sure...
Also couted ppf/w is 1.9: most lights today will be 2.4 and upwards. The hlgs generally clocking in around 2.6-2.7. more light will allways grow more weed and more light per watt is allways a winner, especially if you can also hangi it closer

Rocket Soul said:

Does anyone remember who did the thread recently about ditching their telos leds, and going over to gavitas, cause simply he couldnt get the results he wanted? Somebody will remember im sure...

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That would be @Fevs.. He has a GN Telos 6 and maybe a Telos 10? It's not easy keeping track of his assortment of lights.

Yeah it was me. There were also other aspects to why I sold them. To say simply because I didn't get the results I want is Not correct. There is more to it. I'll explain...

To use all 4 in 1 big tent would have meant hanging 40kg from tent bars as they weigh 10kg each. That's like half of an adults weight 'who doesn't have obesity issues'. That's just too much. I have just switched from seven 3ftx3ft tents to four 4ftx4ft tents.

I had good results with them, but I'm looking for excellent results. Good just ain't good enough if that makes sense lol

I now have 16 leds and cobs and 3 gavita 6/750de lamps. That was also part of the problem. I already have plenty of light. Got some leds in use and some in storage boxes. I could pick and choose the keepers and offload the leds that I didn't rate as much.

I also started growing with led and grew for 10 years under led. I have good result with results even with blurple leds over the years.

I tell you what, click on the my sig below, the back after long break at the bottom of this post and look at the bench with bud on it. Look how much bud I had after the hps grow..! Ironically I then switched to 100% led and have been chasing that result ever since.

Now I have 6 set ups, 3 hps and 3 led.

Also I'm lucky enough to have 4 Sanlight v2.1 leds. They are way better per watt than gn telos! The plants are way more frosty under the Sanlight leds than they were under gn telos. If you gave me a choice I'd take Sanlights over gn telos panels, even if they cost more.

I still have my Sanlights and have no intention of selling them. And I'm keeping my 6 cobs too. Gn telos 6 in little veg tent. Also keeping my five 100w led bars.

I'm the kind of guy that will sell something whilst the used value is high. Whilst the hype is there... I got £300 each for the 4 telos panels. That's £1200. With that £ I bought 3 Gavita 750's and still had £10 spare.

Now I am covering three 4ft x 4ft tents with the investment. The 4 gn telos panels would Not of covered those areas.

I prefer the way led's veg plants too, so my long term plan will be to grow plants under led and flower them under 750de gavitas.

Please pull up a chair in my journal. You can see for yourself whether or not I made the correct decision.