that's a problem, not a solution. every fucking gadget these days comes with their own app and no unified method of controlling it
Pwm 0-10v led controller
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GrowLightResearch
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That's so sweet. You and gangrene707 working it together. You comment screams TROLL.
Greengenes707
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I have not tried that particular scenario. I'll try and set it up tomorrow and leave it offline and then turn my phone off.
I run mine through my router so I can access from abroad.
I feel ya. I'm not halting your quest. I think you and I both know that you questions and frustrations with taking a product outside it's basic operation is best to be taken up with Amelech. I don't have any of their code, just their basic communication protocol. They have been open to feedback so I'm sure they would be into helping.
get a rope
Randomblame
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@Cold$moke
Sonoff's and Amelech controllers retain their programming, even if you disconnect them from the power or dissconnect the smartphone. As long as they get power, they continue to run their programming and even after a power failure, they continue to work with the stored settings.
You just need the server/hub connection to change settings and in the case of the Amelech controller for dimming. If you are within the range of your router, you can dimming the Amelech directly without an Internet connection, and if out of range, the settings will go to the hub via the Internet and from there to the controller.
Sonoff's and Amelech controllers retain their programming, even if you disconnect them from the power or dissconnect the smartphone. As long as they get power, they continue to run their programming and even after a power failure, they continue to work with the stored settings.
You just need the server/hub connection to change settings and in the case of the Amelech controller for dimming. If you are within the range of your router, you can dimming the Amelech directly without an Internet connection, and if out of range, the settings will go to the hub via the Internet and from there to the controller.
Cold$moke
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Thanks very much.
What if you hve no wifi near the grow except a phone can i set everything off my phone and leave? This would just be for on off and dimming
Sunrise sunset ect. Nothing too fancy
Randomblame
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I have already seen them, but it exceeds my ability to write accordingly code. Although I can flash an alternative custom ROM on my smartphone, lol, but from coding I have no clue.
For me it would have to be a flashable file, which I only need to copy, hehe.
My father-in-law gave me an old Sinclair QL from the 80's so I can learn coding from scratch, but I'm honestly don't find the time.
Randomblame
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Do not start fooling again, mate, none of them behave like a troll. They are both valuable members, you should not discredit them.
Randomblame
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I don't think you can work with them directly (wifi direct, controller to smartphone), you need at least the router because the controller is only a receiver. I'm sure it would be possible but these things are made to work in an home automated enviroment which always incl. a hub(google, alexa, hue, Amelech, ...) or an external server.
To work with wifi direct they need another programming and I don't think it's allready included. At least I have not read about that it works!
Greengenes707
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That is not what he said.
It holds it programming. I have not done you exact situation, so I said I would test. But based on what “should” happen and what happens when WiFi goes out. Yes it’s fine. You program the controller ...hit save and it’s saved. Then you leave...and programming stays.
If you want to change it...you need to be within range. Otherwise it performs as set until you do change it.
Cold$moke
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boostedhonda
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There are numerous different controllers out there that do not need internet for dimming, sunrise and sunset, and timer functions, I personally have a storm controller using an iot relay to power to off. The amelech does seem to be the cheapest and easiest to way to control lights that I have found
Cold$moke
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I looked into the strom controller .
But as a tech slow noob led guy i didnt know if it was able to work with what i wanted
Which will be 3 hlg 480 b drivers
I saw they had the 10v kit to add on .
But then i watched @Greengenes707 video and thought that it was sweet .
I guess i have to get with the times eventually
But as a tech slow noob led guy i didnt know if it was able to work with what i wanted
Which will be 3 hlg 480 b drivers
I saw they had the 10v kit to add on .
But then i watched @Greengenes707 video and thought that it was sweet .
I guess i have to get with the times eventually
Greengenes707
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I have a few storms still. They work, and can do more/complexity. I used it as a room controller for 4-6 lights rather than just a single light.I looked into the strom controller .
But as a tech slow noob led guy i didnt know if it was able to work with what i wanted
Which will be 3 hlg 480 b drivers
I saw they had the 10v kit to add on .
But then i watched @Greengenes707 video and thought that it was sweet .
I guess i have to get with the times eventually
But aren't a wireless option. The storm won't dim to off drivers that aren't capable of it.
Always wanted to grab a bluefin, but haven't heard good things on them for the cost.
boostedhonda
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The storm can easily power any driver to off with an iot relay or a power switch tail
down to.roach
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The Amelech controllers indeed use zigbee, which is a communication protocol. They may very well be based on esp8266 but I could not find any relevant info online.
Sonoffs are so appealing because the company exposed this flashing ability on all their devices letting you tailor it to your specific needs.
@Greengenes707, your feedback will carry more weight. Maybe you could suggest it to them.
Alternatively, They might want to consider supporting IFTTT. Would still be limited in functionality but will give greater control.
Now this thread is focused on PWM dimming but those wireless controllers have far greater potential for automating the entire grow room. Which is what I am in process of. Forever.
At the moment my TH16 sonoffs are wired to my lights but I still use my reliable mechanical timer because their scheduling is not entirely reliable from what I gather. The temperature probe is located inside the tent just above the heatsinks and I set the sonoff to turn off if 32C (90F) or above and stay on when less then 31C. So I have overheat protection for both tent and LEDs (LEDs oveheating will quickly cause the tent to overheat to 32C). That saves me messing with thermal switches on the LEDs which is what started this quest for me.
As it stand now, for growers without coding knowledge, Amelech offer better range of products and their app offers more functionality and flexibility than the sonoffs but they do cost more.
Sonoffs are great and affordable for really simple tasks but if you have coding knowledge it's the best route to take to get total control. The maker is constantly releasing new models and upgrading it's app and more importantly, better momentum then Amelech. I really hope they consider releasing a PWM dimmer. I have sent them feedback asking that.
Sonoffs are so appealing because the company exposed this flashing ability on all their devices letting you tailor it to your specific needs.
@Greengenes707, your feedback will carry more weight. Maybe you could suggest it to them.
Alternatively, They might want to consider supporting IFTTT. Would still be limited in functionality but will give greater control.
Now this thread is focused on PWM dimming but those wireless controllers have far greater potential for automating the entire grow room. Which is what I am in process of. Forever.
At the moment my TH16 sonoffs are wired to my lights but I still use my reliable mechanical timer because their scheduling is not entirely reliable from what I gather. The temperature probe is located inside the tent just above the heatsinks and I set the sonoff to turn off if 32C (90F) or above and stay on when less then 31C. So I have overheat protection for both tent and LEDs (LEDs oveheating will quickly cause the tent to overheat to 32C). That saves me messing with thermal switches on the LEDs which is what started this quest for me.
As it stand now, for growers without coding knowledge, Amelech offer better range of products and their app offers more functionality and flexibility than the sonoffs but they do cost more.
Sonoffs are great and affordable for really simple tasks but if you have coding knowledge it's the best route to take to get total control. The maker is constantly releasing new models and upgrading it's app and more importantly, better momentum then Amelech. I really hope they consider releasing a PWM dimmer. I have sent them feedback asking that.
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Randomblame
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Jepp, a Sonoff with pwm/0-10v dimming would be nice