pros and cons of autoflower: please provide info

Brick Top

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me thinks autos and fems a fad that might turn to a curse one day
I agree. Fads and gimmicks because breeders got to a point where they could not offer anything else that was really new and different and better than what they already produced.

If you look at potency levels over the last decade or so there has not been any major increases. The lower potency strains have pretty much vanished so the average level of potency is higher but the upper end strains are not getting more and more potent. Because of that breeders had to come up with something, the new and improved models with the go faster stripes so they went heavily into pretty colors and scrumptious flavors and yummy odors and feminized beans and then auto-flowering strains.

It was the only route they had to take so they could offer something new rather than just keep offering more and more of what would be virtually the same things just under different names.

The only redeeming grace for feminized beans is for people who lack the space to grow out enough regular beans to then after separating the males still have enough females remaining to meet their needs ... and also lack the space needed to keep mothers.

Anyone who has the space to use regular beans and or keep mothers, regular beans are by far the best way to go and forget about all the side show acts and gimmicks. Many breeders, not all, but many, have gotten to the point where they can now only try to sell you by offering you the sizzle and are unable to offer you the steak and people who purchase autos and feminized beans when they could be using regular beans are buying the sizzle, not the steak.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Some people can't handle pioneering new anything let alone weed.

And P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute."

In "You Can't Cheat an Honest Man" W.C. Fields said; "You can't cheat an honest man. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump."

Auto-flower breeders love those words and they live by those words.
 

Dwezelitsame

Well-Known Member
yo brick im always glad to read your posts so informative and knowledgable you are one of the grow gods here in my book
 

Bighill

Active Member
That was grow advice? that looked like movie quotes to me. Never once heard an auto breeder say any of that.

I spend my time on growing, not movies and fairytails.

Thanks for the quotes none the less. The post above (#22) was good how ever!

The point is autos fill a niche, that's it. If you like em you do, if not you don't.

Bh.
 
I agree. Fads and gimmicks because breeders got to a point where they could not offer anything else that was really new and different and better than what they already produced.

If you look at potency levels over the last decade or so there has not been any major increases. The lower potency strains have pretty much vanished so the average level of potency is higher but the upper end strains are not getting more and more potent. Because of that breeders had to come up with something, the new and improved models with the go faster stripes so they went heavily into pretty colors and scrumptious flavors and yummy odors and feminized beans and then auto-flowering strains.

It was the only route they had to take so they could offer something new rather than just keep offering more and more of what would be virtually the same things just under different names.

The only redeeming grace for feminized beans is for people who lack the space to grow out enough regular beans to then after separating the males still have enough females remaining to meet their needs ... and also lack the space needed to keep mothers.

Anyone who has the space to use regular beans and or keep mothers, regular beans are by far the best way to go and forget about all the side show acts and gimmicks. Many breeders, not all, but many, have gotten to the point where they can now only try to sell you by offering you the sizzle and are unable to offer you the steak and people who purchase autos and feminized beans when they could be using regular beans are buying the sizzle, not the steak.
Autos I can see your point, dont necessarily agree, I think they have their place, I dont think they are the future or anything, I wouldnt touch them with a six-foot barge pole myself, but I can understand why people might be attracted to them, even that some people prefer them for their crampled grow space, for simplicity etc. BUt if you have the space and half a brain cell, wtf is the point of them?

But now, fems on the other hand, whats the beef?

Prof
 

plsfoldthx

Active Member
And P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute."

In "You Can't Cheat an Honest Man" W.C. Fields said; "You can't cheat an honest man. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump."

Auto-flower breeders love those words and they live by those words.
Could say that for everyone who pays 100+ dollars for a pack of seeds.
 

KuLong

Well-Known Member
I started growing an autoflower to see for myself if I liked them or not...I suggest others do the same. :)

And P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute."

In "You Can't Cheat an Honest Man" W.C. Fields said; "You can't cheat an honest man. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump."

Auto-flower breeders love those words and they live by those words.
OH! I love the quoting approach! It doesn't make you look like an ass because you can say you didn't say that. ;)

Let me try!

“It is wiser to find out than to suppose”

“I've always felt that a person's intelligence is directly reflected by the number of conflicting points of view he can entertain simultaneously on the same topic.”

“Knowing a great deal is not the same as being smart; intelligence is not information alone but also judgment, the manner in which information is collected and used”
 

Brick Top

New Member
Originally Posted by Brick Top
And P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute."

In "You Can't Cheat an Honest Man" W.C. Fields said; "You can't cheat an honest man. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump."

Auto-flower breeders love those words and they live by those words.
Could say that for everyone who pays 100+ dollars for a pack of seeds.
What you said would be true if the seeds came from a pseudo-breeder, a pollen chucker who tries to pass himself off as a true pro and part of his trick is to overprice his genetics so people might be fooled into believing they are worth it. But it would not be true if they are true quality genetics and it would not be true if the person keeps mother plants and that one purchase meant he had the strain or strains for years to come. Doing that what he paid would be less expensive than what someone else does who only grows from seeds and purchases pack after pack after pack of low quality $40.00 per pack seeds.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Originally Posted by Brick Top
And P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute."

In "You Can't Cheat an Honest Man" W.C. Fields said; "You can't cheat an honest man. Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump."

Auto-flower breeders love those words and they live by those words.




OH! I love the quoting approach! It doesn't make you look like an ass because you can say you didn't say that.

You made a totally false assumption and you also wrongly attempted to claim a non-existent motive for my having used quotes to point out the bloody obvious.

Do you people not pay attention? Have you people not noticed what has happened over the last decade or decade and a half, or two decades or more?

The highest potency strains have not appreciably increased in potency in years, many years to be exact. Breeders have long since hit a brick wall when it comes to providing better, as in more potent, so they had to come up with something new and different that they could claim to be an advancement, an improvement, something better, something people wanted and needed.

What strains are considered to be high potency strains? One is AK47. AK47 was the Cup in 1994. White Widow is still considered to be one of the most potent strains. White Widow won the Cup in 1995. Jack Herer is considered to be high potency. Jack Herer won the Cup in 1994. Kali Mist is listed among high potency strains. Kali Mist won the Cup in 1995. White Rhino is often mentioned when high potency strains are mentioned. White Rhino won the Cup in 1996. White Russian is still considered to be a high potency strain. White Russian won the Cup in 1996. Super Silver Haze is still mentioned among high potency strains. Super Silver Haze won the Cup in 1997. Blueberry is often called a high potency strain. Blueberry won the Cup in 2000. Herijuana has about the highest THC rating that is accepted and believed to not be embellished, "up to 25%," and Herijuana came from Humboldt County well over 20 years ago now.

The only real change in potency is on average. There are fewer low potency strains and far more strains of average potency instead, but the high end strains, the ones with the highest level of potency have not appreciably increased in years and years and years. If strains from as many years back as those, like Herijuana, being "up to 20% in THC" and being well over 20 years old now hand been bettered, had been improved on, if newer strains had continually increased in potency then by now we'd be smoking stains with 35% or 40% or 45% or more in THC. and average potency strains would be more lie 20% or 25% THC. But is that the case? Are we now smoking high end strains with 35%, 40%, 45% or higher percentages of THC? No. Are the average potency strains in the 20% or 25% range now? No.

But what did happen, what did actually change? We were offered feminized seeds, that have an increased tendency to turn hermi. They were sold to people as a step forward but they weren't a true step forward. The strains were not made better, they were not more potent. Initially they were the very same strains that already existed that were only made unstable. The only redeeming value when it comes to feminized seeds is for people who lack the room to grow out a sufficient number of regular beans to assure that they will end up with enough female plants to meet their needs or wishes. In the end they still might not end up with enough true females because of the number of plants that might turn hermi on them due to using unstable feminized seeds.

We were also offered autoflowering strains. They're made using Ruderalis, a weak species when in its pure form is almost devoid of THC. It hardly tops industrial hemp in potency. When crossed with potent strains it only reduces the potency of the potent strain it is crossed with. It's only redeeming value is that now someone does not have take the time or put out the effort or have the ability to change the settings on their timer(s).

Small low growing strains already existed, dwarf strains in fact. Fast flowering strains existed already. Ones that if started on a 12/12 light cycle or only given a short vegetative growth period would finish faster than autoflowering strains. With training methods many strains can be kept low. So there was no need for something that would be sold as a space saving strain and a faster flowering strain, something that was wrongly claimed to be needed so it could be grown in a small area and finish fast, because such strains already existed.

It only gave breeders something else they could pawn off on an unsuspecting market-place as being new and improved with go faster stripes.

Breeders became unable to provide better so they took the route of providing different. We were offered strains with pretty colors that turned purple or turned blue or had pink pistils. We were offered strains with yummy berry and fruit flavors or citrus flavors. We were offered strains that had exotic aromas when growing and or when smoked. We were offered seeds that were all supposed to be females, though we were not told they are unstable females, but females nonetheless. Then we were offered strains so simple to grow that "Rain Man" could grow them because with them you do not even have to have enough brainpower to know how to change the settings on a timer.

But not one single one of them offered a significant increase in potency, more or less after the dates of the strains I mentioned above.

Without all the gimmicks breeders had absolutely nothing new to offer to the marketplace other than more strains that were basically the same rehashed strains from crossing the same strains that had been crossed before with other strains that had been crossed before from previous years and then they given new exciting enticing names to sucker people in with. Breeders were no longer able to provide better so instead they went the gimmick route to keep those dollars rolling in ... and as P.T. Barnum said; "There's a sucker born every minute," so those dollars have continued to roll in.

And before you, or anyone else, attempts to say I may one day attempt to claim I did not say some or any or all of that ... I did say each and every word of it and each and every word of it is the truth regardless of how much you, or anyone else, would prefer it too not be the truth and no matter how adamantly you or anyone else refuses to accept it and regardless of how hard you might try to reject it or refute it.

Like it or not, that is reality.
 

KuLong

Well-Known Member
Struck a nerve have I Brick Top? Sorry. I just don't take kindly being clumped with the rest of the zombies.

Sorry to poke at your witch hunt, but your (conspiracy) theory is just that...a theory. You have no facts, just prejudiced opinions on the who's, whats and whys. I respect your opinion, especially an opinion with such passion behind it. However, I am sure you are aware, passion clouds facts to an almost delusional state. ;)

Do you people not pay attention?
If you read the threads topic, it is you who is not paying attention. However, you are on topic (in a round about way) by telling us why you do not like autoflowers.

Though I do suggest you save your energy for unraveling the aglet theory. I am interested in that one. ;)

This thread, this board and most importantly, this specific topic is hardly the place to flex your intellectual muscles. Don't you agree?
 

KuLong

Well-Known Member
Autos are a great option for lazy and inexperienced.
And blanketed statements are for the ignorant and uneducated.

(love ya bigv ;))

But seriously, with my experience, autos take more care and attention than a non-auto. For me at least.
 

microganjagrower

Active Member
The only real change in potency is on average. There are fewer low potency strains and far more strains of average potency instead, but the high end strains, the ones with the highest level of potency have not appreciably increased in years and years and years. If strains from as many years back as those, like Herijuana, being "up to 20% in THC" and being well over 20 years old now hand been bettered, had been improved on, if newer strains had continually increased in potency then by now we'd be smoking stains with 35% or 40% or 45% or more in THC. and average potency strains would be more lie 20% or 25% THC. But is that the case? Are we now smoking high end strains with 35%, 40%, 45% or higher percentages of THC? No. Are the average potency strains in the 20% or 25% range now? No.

do u expect a higher potency ?

if so can u imagine a 50% thc bud? it be like green rock candy. wat an idiot
 

KuLong

Well-Known Member
Good:
Fun, Fast, new and shiny!

While you are LST'ing your normal crop, you can nearly finish an auto. WEE!

BAD:
I like LST'ing and you cannot do that well with autos.

Not as "pretty".

Feels weaker through the whole grow than my other non-auto strains.

Conclusion:
My next indoor grow will be 3 different strains of autos just to burn some free seeds, but the one after that will be one or two big ass LST'ed Afghani #1 baby!
 
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