Proper growroom temperatures!!!

stinkbudd1

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:fire:hello all im going to start this thread just to get some feed back as to the very common problem of heat and heat related stress in your grow rooms as ive seen in my only two grows using cfls my heat issues are pretty much non and void my temps occording to my thermo is always around 85o and at times in my grow has reached 88-89-90 now i know that temps should not be to extreem but what is the real cut off..is it a difference between hid heat and cfl heat?everyone swears by this 78o limit but as i just read this is not set in stone..

Proper temperature is one highly variable factor. Most books state optimum grow temperature to be 70-80 degrees, but many list extenuating circumstances that allow temperatures to go higher. Assuming genetics is not a factor, plants seem to be able to absorb more light at higher temps, perhaps up to 90 degrees. High light and CO2 levels could make this go as high as 95 degrees for increased growth speed.* An optimum of 95 degrees is new data that assumes very-high light, CO2 enrichment of 1500 ppm and good regular venting to keep humidity down. It is not clear if these temperature will reduce potency in flowers. It may be a good idea to reduce temperatures once flowering has started, to preserve potency, even if it does reduce growth speed. But higher temperatures will make plants grow vegetatively much faster, by exciting the plants metabolism, assuming the required levels of CO2 and light are available, and humidity is not allowed to get too high.
With normal levels of CO2, in a well vented space, 90 degrees would seem to be the absolute max, while 85 may be closer to optimum, even with a great deal of light available. Do not let the room temperature get over 35 C (95 F) as this hurts growth. Optimal temperature is 27-30 C (80-86 F) if you have strong light with no CO2 enrichment. Less than 21 C (70 F) is too cold for good growth.
Low temperatures at night are OK down to about 60 degrees outdoors, then start to effect the growth in a big way. Mid 50s will cause mild shock and 40s will kill your plants with repeated exposure. Keep your plants warm, especially the roots. Elevate pots if you think the ground is sucking the heat out of the roots. This is an issue if you have a slab or other type of cold floor.
As temperature goes up, so does the ability of the air to hold water, thus reducing humidity, so a higher average temperature should reduce risk of fungus.
Contrary to many reports, high humidity is not good for plants except during germination and rooting. Lower humidity levels help the plant transpire CO2 and reduce risk of molds during flowering.
Studies indicate the potency of buds goes down as the temperature goes up, so it is important to see that the plants do not get too hot during flowering cycles.
* D. Gold: CO2, Temperature and Humidity, 1991 Edited by E. Rosenthal.
 

stinkbudd1

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well come on i know there are some of you that dont agree with this lets here it there are a lot of people newbs often that mess there grows up stressing about temps that may be more flexible than normally stated....as well as the HID and CFL burn difference and heat stress...
 

stinkbudd1

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Yeah, and during the summer plants can take temp in the 100's if out door. So, what are ya gettin at? Do ya have a question?
if you read the post it clearly ask the question that of why are so many on this sight swearing by the 78 deg temp thing when it is clear that plants can thrive in higher temps if my question pissed you off than dont comment on the thread but as a newb myself i like honest info before wasting my $ on beans with bogus shit! and i also want to clarify if the outake from the book i quote is correct when someone ask a question about growroom temps tell it like it is...everytime i mentioned my growroom temp at 85 everyone rushed to say lower it..why? you are making the same point im making but your not answering the question that opposes our claim ...
 

campfire

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I thought the same thing when i grew in my closet and i have 3 75w CFL and i had my temp at like 86-94 most time at 90 and mine went fine. I always read about it sayin that it would hert the plants. way i look at it man if ur plants dont look hert by the heat then who cares...
 

stinkbudd1

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I thought the same thing when i grew in my closet and i have 3 75w CFL and i had my temp at like 86-94 most time at 90 and mine went fine. I always read about it sayin that it would hert the plants. way i look at it man if ur plants dont look hert by the heat then who cares...
thanks for the reply thats what im getting at i know there are some out there that have grown under these temps without trouble so i think it is good to be noted that it can be done..thanks for your feed back..
 

campfire

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thanks for the reply thats what im getting at i know there are some out there that have grown under these temps without trouble so i think it is good to be noted that it can be done..thanks for your feed back..

Just watch the plant it will till u if anythings wrong with it and if it does get hot get a lil fan or two or just simply let it vent...
 

Wudaheo

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My hydro grow tent was in the 90's and everything was okay. BTW the plants will use up water more quickly and warm water in reservoir will cause roots to rot.
 

stinkbudd1

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My hydro grow tent was in the 90's and everything was okay. BTW the plants will use up water more quickly and warm water in reservoir will cause roots to rot.
yes you are right very true i do have a dwc unit as well and i know you need to have your water temp pretty strict.. i think your right though about air circulation and fan placement being a huge factor..nice post thanks for your feed back...ppp
 

stinkbudd1

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yes you are right very true i do have a dwc unit as well and i know you need to have your water temp pretty strict.. i think your right though about air circulation and fan placement being a huge factor..nice post thanks for your feed back...ppp
Just watch the plant it will till u if anythings wrong with it and if it does get hot get a lil fan or two or just simply let it vent...
thanks to you both..
 

mjr99

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My question is, where do you place the thermometer? Ive read that light skews the reading.
 

Hedgehunter

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flowering without Co2 at anything above 90' is not a good idea, some strains can take it but most cant and you end up with fluffy bud, iv done it a few times now, i know.
 

swazifarmer

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:fire:hello all im going to start this thread just to get some feed back as to the very common problem of heat and heat related stress in your grow rooms as ive seen in my only two grows using cfls my heat issues are pretty much non and void my temps occording to my thermo is always around 85o and at times in my grow has reached 88-89-90 now i know that temps should not be to extreem but what is the real cut off..is it a difference between hid heat and cfl heat?everyone swears by this 78o limit but as i just read this is not set in stone..

Proper temperature is one highly variable factor. Most books state optimum grow temperature to be 70-80 degrees, but many list extenuating circumstances that allow temperatures to go higher. Assuming genetics is not a factor, plants seem to be able to absorb more light at higher temps, perhaps up to 90 degrees. High light and CO2 levels could make this go as high as 95 degrees for increased growth speed.* An optimum of 95 degrees is new data that assumes very-high light, CO2 enrichment of 1500 ppm and good regular venting to keep humidity down. It is not clear if these temperature will reduce potency in flowers. It may be a good idea to reduce temperatures once flowering has started, to preserve potency, even if it does reduce growth speed. But higher temperatures will make plants grow vegetatively much faster, by exciting the plants metabolism, assuming the required levels of CO2 and light are available, and humidity is not allowed to get too high.
With normal levels of CO2, in a well vented space, 90 degrees would seem to be the absolute max, while 85 may be closer to optimum, even with a great deal of light available. Do not let the room temperature get over 35 C (95 F) as this hurts growth. Optimal temperature is 27-30 C (80-86 F) if you have strong light with no CO2 enrichment. Less than 21 C (70 F) is too cold for good growth.
Low temperatures at night are OK down to about 60 degrees outdoors, then start to effect the growth in a big way. Mid 50s will cause mild shock and 40s will kill your plants with repeated exposure. Keep your plants warm, especially the roots. Elevate pots if you think the ground is sucking the heat out of the roots. This is an issue if you have a slab or other type of cold floor.
As temperature goes up, so does the ability of the air to hold water, thus reducing humidity, so a higher average temperature should reduce risk of fungus.
Contrary to many reports, high humidity is not good for plants except during germination and rooting. Lower humidity levels help the plant transpire CO2 and reduce risk of molds during flowering.
Studies indicate the potency of buds goes down as the temperature goes up, so it is important to see that the plants do not get too hot during flowering cycles.
* D. Gold: CO2, Temperature and Humidity, 1991 Edited by E. Rosenthal.
2 things
1.I've never heard anyone anywhere say 78 is max for growing most will say max being 85-90 depending on CO2 levels
but remember that plants grow naturally in hot climates that exceed 95 that's a strain issue
2.heat causes humidity since water is being evaporated into air which is humidity, heat +water = humidity cold climates are not effected by humidity since water isn't being evaporated
 

stinkbudd1

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My question is, where do you place the thermometer? Ive read that light skews the reading.
this is another good question as ive found that the higher i place mine the hioigher the reading yet then if you place it at plant level in direct light you can get a very high reading as well.. thank for the post ppp
 

stinkbudd1

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flowering without Co2 at anything above 90' is not a good idea, some strains can take it but most cant and you end up with fluffy bud, iv done it a few times now, i know.
yes as it stated in the book i quoted at the start of this thread co2 does play a part in how much heat a plant can take. and even i as a newbie actually knew that flowering under high temps are not cool..thanks for the post and some good feed back..ppp
 

doc111

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thanks to you both..
Mj can thrive at a wide range of temps. Remember that some strains come from the equator where temps reach 100 degrees plus. Some come from the mountains where summer temps rarely get much above 60. 78 degrees is a good average temp that most plants will thrive at. It's also believed by many that the higher the temp the less THC the plant will produce. So if your plants like it at 90 degrees....keep it there. If you are happy with the potency you must be doing o.k. or you would have some issues. Higher temps can make it easier for some problems like bud mold and other fungal diseases to thrive.
 

stinkbudd1

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2 things
1.I've never heard anyone anywhere say 78 is max for growing most will say max being 85-90 depending on CO2 levels
but remember that plants grow naturally in hot climates that exceed 95 that's a strain issue
2.heat causes humidity since water is being evaporated into air which is humidity, heat +water = humidity cold climates are not effected by humidity since water isn't being evaporated
hows it going ? hey thanks for the post and your opinion love the feed back i wish i had the time to actually go through this sight and pull up all the thread responses to heat and heat related issues to show you that quite often used as the cut off point for how warm your grow area should be..#2 you would be hard pressed to find anyone on here that says 90 deg is optimum growing temp in growrooms im not talking about outdoor grows here we are talking about indoor controlled grow areas.thanks for the post and feed back. ppp
 

stinkbudd1

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Mj can thrive at a wide range of temps. Remember that some strains come from the equator where temps reach 100 degrees plus. Some come from the mountains where summer temps rarely get much above 60. 78 degrees is a good average temp that most plants will thrive at. It's also believed by many that the higher the temp the less THC the plant will produce. So if your plants like it at 90 degrees....keep it there. If you are happy with the potency you must be doing o.k. or you would have some issues. Higher temps can make it easier for some problems like bud mold and other fungal diseases to thrive.
hey thanks for the post and some very well put insight i do know and agree with what you have just shared with us here and thats just my point there are various strains of cannabis and many regions that they are grown in i just moved back to cali from vegas and i had a friend that had a great outside setup but he would grow nothing but skunk and chronic because of the extreem heat issues there 114 high and a very low ofmaybe 101 at nights.but his plants thrived and if you know vegas there is no wind..but i would never try 114 in a grow room with the best of exaust intake and circulation..
 
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