Probable nurient lockout!! Sos!!!!

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just read this....

Potassium (K):
a.k.a. potash, this nutrient is key for the usage of carbs/sugars. This is key for sturdy/thick stems, small bushy plants and disease resistance. Its needed for all stages of plant growth, especially bud formation.

Abundance: this is pretty rare to notice, excess potassium usually isnt absorbed by the plants but can mess with levels of magnesium, manganese zinc and iron. This in turn leads to salt damage acid fluctuations and possibly a calcium deficiency

Deficiency: this has yellowing of leaves, from outside in, but with a dark green center vein, and curling of leaf tips, this is mistakenly diagnosed as nitrogen def or iron def a LOT. Stems and branches will be weak, easily broken. the plant may also stretch. *too much sodium (NA) can cause a potassium deficiency.


hmmmm Bud Candy loaded with mag... possable link to this issue??

Looks exactly like the same issue I'm having with one of my plants. Past 2 watering have been with a 16-10-30 and the problem has not resolved. I thought it would be potassium too. Maybe it just hasn't been long enough for take effect yet or the dosage wasn't enough.

You have done the right thing investing in this set up and once you get it right it will pay for itself 1000x over including power. Heres the prob-
1- Ph is out must be 5.8 not 6.1
2- if your going to veg that tall at least top it once for more branches closer to the light, you cant have untopped plants that tall under lights if your serious.
3- they look sativa ,get a strain more indica for inside.
4- i think its hotter that 25 , make sure its 23-25 to avoid long internodes.
5- Get some H2O2, high grade , use at 100:1 for 50% grade.

Hello guys and thanks for the replies . Ok, temp is what it is (room temp) I can run an AC unit but I don't want too. These girls are getting all the bucks their gonna get. Ya, I know they need to be crowned or "topped" I don't wanna do that!!! I want those huge White Widow colas! I'm gonna bend them soon. They seem to like it and are showing no signs of heat stress. However, I'll do something about that soon.
I had a bad experience with H202 and almost lost my crop. So until I understand it better, I'd better leave that stuff alone.
I'm alomst positive now that its a Mag overdose. Everything (the whole grow) has gone perfect. Plants are thriving UNTIL I started with the advance nutes.

I have much to learn, and all your comments are gold boys. Let-er-rip

thanks

You ask for advice and then refuse to follow it; so why ask? You say you've given these girls all the bucks they're gonna get, so after putting together this set up you can't afford to run a/c? That must suck that you ran out of money so near the finish line. I wouldn't worry about getting any huge WW colas either. I don't see many of those in your immediate future

Hey there, and again thank you for your reply, even tho a little on the unfriendly side. As i said bad experience with peroxide. I wouldn't say UNWILLING Miss, just weary. H202 treats bacterial infestation, and maybe other things I'm not aware of, but I wanna understand why it does what it does not just "Use this, it works!". I wanna know exactly what it is doing to the rez, not just what it is doing to my plants but how it is reacting with the other nutes.
A/C...Hmm. Not really a money thing, just a principle thing. I'm not going to get into numbers but between this and my RC helicopter hobby, I'd like to save a bit to buy weed lol. This was a simple mistake. I always figure out my own mistakes, just help and being pointed in the right direction. I don't just ACT, i research and learn first, as I'm doing right now. I guess I could cut my girls heads off which are already sick, I don't think cutting a plant that is already sick and putting her into shock is a good idea, do you?
Therefore I'm going to figure out this yellowing problem first. A little string to pull the plant away from the light will be a much better idea at this point. These plants are sick right now because I followed someone else's advice to the "T", obvioulsy wasn't a good idea.
I aplogize if I don't hop right in the truck and go find pure H202 as soon as I hear about it. Bluntly, I tried that shit before and it didn't work. It almost wiped out my crop. So....having just happened 5 or 6 weeks ago, I'm still a litte weary. As far as advice I will yake it, just have to research this bending technique a little maybe that will work, bend'em away from the light. My reasoning sor SOS'ing in this fourm is to gain knowledge to figure out with my girl, its a team thing we're having a blast. Its so much fun and interesting. As far as colas...if I can't get them, then I will try again when the weather cools down a bit. You see Miss, running AC IMO will spike my hydro bill. I'm already running 2000 watts at night time
which must look odd to the power company. My house is equipt with central A/C but its turned off my girl and I are sweating pur asses to hide power usage. Anyway at work and sould prolly get back to it! lol

To everyone, please don't assume things (ran out of money or not take advice) Ask
I value so much, everyones vast knowledge with hydo and your help we wouldn't have gotten this far without much, much reading.

Have a great day

Lol! i hate to say i can't actually answer ur problems as i know fuck all about running DWC, etc. (i'm still loving soil at the moment)

But i do wanna say that is a seriously intense set-up for ur 1st grow - very bold, but if u pull it off u will be laughing! (it certainly beats the hell outta the wonky bedroom wardrobe with 4 x 14W CFL's that was my 1st "set-up"!! lol!)

Best of luck getting it sorted anyway dude.

And possibly Cindy just took offence to your initial opening of "Greetings Boys"!?!

Girls do grow as well u know! lol!

(and as they rightly say; "female is the future"!)

RedWhiteBlueGreen said:

Lol! i hate to say i can't actually answer ur problems as i know fuck all about running DWC, etc. (i'm still loving soil at the moment)

But i do wanna say that is a seriously intense set-up for ur 1st grow - very bold, but if u pull it off u will be laughing! (it certainly beats the hell outta the wonky bedroom wardrobe with 4 x 14W CFL's that was my 1st "set-up"!! lol!)

Best of luck getting it sorted anyway dude.

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Hey bud. Ya, very bold. I don't know what happened. Last year my girl and I were down in Niagara Falls and strolled into a High Times. Ended up buying seeds lol. Well, said seeds were only supposed to be stuck in the dirt like last year, but some how migrated into our bedroom in the form of 6 small little seedlings then into the basement .....under a free 400w MH i got from work . then, all I wanted was a reflector. Ended up with a tent and 2 reflectors. Then I read about HPS and flowering...ra, ra, ra,...Now they own the f-n house. Oh well, this is a 9 week flower. I have 5 weeks to get me at least one big juciy cola

Thanks man. If ya can think of anything that would be great.

Didn't intend to come off so rude. It's been one of those days and I guess I might be a little envious of your set up. I wish I had it! If you manage to be patient it will eventually be worthwhile. You just need to tweak it a little and you'll have a little growing machine. Best of luck!

RedWhiteBlueGreen said:

And possibly Cindy just took offence to your initial opening of "Greetings Boys"!?!

Girls do grow as well u know! lol!

(and as they rightly say; "female is the future"!)

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Ya, I just overlooked that. I'm sorry. Yup. I guess grils grow too. I'm at work, and MY girl is actually responding to these mails as I text the response. Oh ya, she's running the grow room right now while I'm at work....keeping the PH NO LONGER 6.1 but brought it down to 5.83. thanks for that tip BTW. She's also keeping the eS at 2.00 by adding ph'ed RO water to dilute and nutes if they drop

cindysid said:

Didn't intend to come off so rude. It's been one of those days and I guess I might be a little envious of your set up. I wish I had it! If you manage to be patient it will eventually be worthwhile. You just need to tweak it a little and you'll have a little growing machine. Best of luck!

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Hey it's ok we all have bad days and thanks for the vote of confindence.

Soil grower here but will try to help if i can , from my understanding you need 5.6 - 5.8 with 6.0 max for your style of grow
as you can see this issue has started on lower part of plant which details a macro nutrient issue if it was a micro nutrient issue you would see the yellowing on new growth and top of plant remember symptoms if it starts on lower part of plant its macro if it starts on upper plant its micro
Calcium and magnesium are needed to transport N through out plant which in this case N is being blocked causing yellowing if it was major ph issues you would have spots of yellowing through out leafs in your case thats not the issue to much bloom was not the issue
most of the leafs now are good as gone the very yellow ones i would take them off
for a Quck fix add some epsom salt,
invest in some cal mag additives plant needs more of it Especially in revers osmosis water <-- absolutly no mineral content in it as well as flowering mode cal mag is a must as a additive
hope this helps you out for next grow

DrGreener said:

Soil grower here but will try to help if i can , from my understanding you need 5.6 - 5.8 with 6.0 max for your style of grow
as you can see this issue has started on lower part of plant which details a macro nutrient issue if it was a micro nutrient issue you would see the yellowing on new growth and top of plant remember symptoms if it starts on lower part of plant its macro if it starts on upper plant its micro
Calcium and magnesium are needed to transport N through out plant which in this case N is being blocked causing yellowing if it was major ph issues you would have spots of yellowing through out leafs in your case thats not the issue to much bloom was not the issue
most of the leafs now are good as gone the very yellow ones i would take them off
for a Quck fix add some epsom salt,
invest in some cal mag additives plant needs more of it Especially in revers osmosis water <-- absolutly no mineral content in it as well as flowering mode cal mag is a must as a additive
hope this helps you out for next grow

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Thanks for that bro. Someday I wish I could just bark gold out like that. Maybe someday. Well, we are macro im assuming because the problem started at the bottom on the smaller plants however, on the 4 larger plants that appear otherwise uneffected, there are 1 or 2 yellowing leaves approx half way up. Not totally dead though. Just to confirm... Remove the completely yellow leaves? What about say... leaves that are 75% dead? Any hope for them?

We are running full nutes but we dropped all the other garbage. <----garbage because im mad at them right now! So, i run out and buy Advanced Nutrients Product called REVIVE. Were currently running that at full strength. eS is steady at 2.00 after comming down from 2.10 overnight. This revive shit has the cal/mag. zinc and iron. Who would have thought a plant needed iron too.

Leaves have not gotton any worse. Maybe a leaf or 2 a little less greener than yesterday. Once a leaf starts to die, is it doomed or is there still a chance at reviving them?

I'm using DNF bloom a and b. Maybe a higher quality primary nutrient next time? Man we were doing so fu,,,in well. Right from seed to plant to sorting out males from females to growing a big healthy mother to perfect little healthy clones that rooted in 8 days flat in an ezcloner. One small issue with the cloning machine and H2O2 but once we got that sorted, they took off! Had a nice fat 4 week veg AFTER a 2 week rearing. A perfect 2 weeks of bloom.... the buds in the pics are 5 days old. And I added too much of that bud candy shit and BANG! Half my crops fucked. ugh

I hope I wake up tommorrow to happier girls. Thanks a milllion for the info bro.

If you just want a main cola then sog will give you more buds with less stem. Follow al's method (except your dwc) and also learn how to use peroxide with this thread. https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html

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If you just want a main cola then sog will give you more buds with less stem. Follow al's method (except your dwc) and also learn how to use peroxide with this thread. https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/6592-get-harvest-every-2-weeks.html

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Its not that all we want is the main cola... we just saw the pictures of that and want to see it in our grow room. I'll check this H202 thread in the mornin. Thanks a bunch.

DrGreener said:

Soil grower here but will try to help if i can , from my understanding you need 5.6 - 5.8 with 6.0 max for your style of grow
as you can see this issue has started on lower part of plant which details a macro nutrient issue if it was a micro nutrient issue you would see the yellowing on new growth and top of plant remember symptoms if it starts on lower part of plant its macro if it starts on upper plant its micro
Calcium and magnesium are needed to transport N through out plant which in this case N is being blocked causing yellowing if it was major ph issues you would have spots of yellowing through out leafs in your case thats not the issue to much bloom was not the issue
most of the leafs now are good as gone the very yellow ones i would take them off
for a Quck fix add some epsom salt,
invest in some cal mag additives plant needs more of it Especially in revers osmosis water <-- absolutly no mineral content in it as well as flowering mode cal mag is a must as a additive
hope this helps you out for next grow

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Theres been a developement or a leaf we missed. Maybe this helps. Dr. Greener..With Epson Salts, whats the dosage per liter and can I run that with whats in the res now?



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CURRENT RESIVOIR STATUS:

120 Liters RO
eS:2.00
pH:5.78
RES TEMP:22.8 Degrees celcius.

Nutes:

Dutch Nutrient Formula Bloom A & B @ 5ml/L
Multi Zen @ 1ml/L
B1 @ 1ml/L
Pro Silicate @ 1ml/L
Advanced Nutrients REVIVE @ 5ml/L

We decided its too much to type. We made a video and you can see for yourself Ill upload it soon

Thanks

i am not exactly sure on the amount of epsom salt to use and i would be guessing but i think its like a teaspoon per gallon ??? that multi zen is a enzyme that helps break down the nutrients for better up take i would personally be giving that 2 - 3 ml per liter with out a doubt the b1 vitamin should be 2 ml - 3 ml per liter as well
as for the bloom you should be trying for min 2 ml per liter of A and 2 ml per liter of B combined working it up as you get late in flower
is there something wrong with your tap water that you are going reverse osmosis ?????

and as for the really bad leafs the ones that are really yellow yes remove them they are for no use now and will drop anyways
others that are half ass leave on but the damage is done and they soon will either drop or turn yellow
you can also add little amounts of either liquid honey, or black strap molasses this products have lots of trace elements , and carbs what plant will like they also help for plant defiencies
yes that leaf looks like start of ph issues the spotting just maintain a decent ph in the range needed and get some calmag supliment epsom salt is ok for short time remember its SALT so your ok for a while but the cal mag is like 12,00 for 1 liter bottle or so you got some minor issues and with some fine tuning of nutrients it won;t happen again
here i add this as well flowering A and B and B1 , cal mag ,and fulvixes in flower and i am on day 29 flower

DrGreener said:

i am not exactly sure on the amount of epsom salt to use and i would be guessing but i think its like a teaspoon per gallon ??? that multi zen is a enzyme that helps break down the nutrients for better up take i would personally be giving that 2 - 3 ml per liter with out a doubt the b1 vitamin should be 2 ml - 3 ml per liter as well
as for the bloom you should be trying for min 2 ml per liter of A and 2 ml per liter of B combined working it up as you get late in flower
is there something wrong with your tap water that you are going reverse osmosis ?????

and as for the really bad leafs the ones that are really yellow yes remove them they are for no use now and will drop anyways
others that are half ass leave on but the damage is done and they soon will either drop or turn yellow
you can also add little amounts of either liquid honey, or black strap molasses this products have lots of trace elements , and carbs what plant will like they also help for plant defiencies
yes that leaf looks like start of ph issues the spotting just maintain a decent ph in the range needed and get some calmag supliment epsom salt is ok for short time remember its SALT so your ok for a while but the cal mag is like 12,00 for 1 liter bottle or so you got some minor issues and with some fine tuning of nutrients it won;t happen again
here i add this as well flowering A and B and B1 , cal mag ,and fulvixes in flower and i am on day 29 flower

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Thanks for all your assisstance, however we cancelled our grow this morning. We had a very odd root issue. We made that video, just differant than we would have liked. Its uploading to youtube now. I'll link it when it completes. Its a sad day, here in Toronto. Its oddly silent downstairs without the distant humm and whiring of the grow room. Today we take a moment and review a great learning experiance fighting back the tears, we will clean up, find out what the fuck went wrong. Get set, and try again. Heres a few great pics....