pot size? root bound? i don't know

Brick Top

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FootClan said:
So you dont beleive a person CANT fall behind in the times on new growing techengues? ........ yet another EX of someone using OUTDATED info ....... i figured they must be right because as you say they have experiance come to found out all that shit i was told was mostly OUTDATED and all the old technegues .................... like Prick top and others that are so closed minded and set in there way they they wont even discuss other ways of doing things its eather there way or we are stupid....lol reminds me of my old racist grandfather no matter how the times change he still lives lin the past refusing to accecpt new ideas and so on.......
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I really hate to have to keep repeating myself about this but along with four family members, all with degrees in botany, we own a pot-in-pot nursery. For those who do not know what a pot-in-pot nursery is it's where you make rows of socket pots in the ground that are just slightly larger than the pots that plants or trees or bushes will be grown in. In the socket pots the pots that are grown in are placed. (I left out how the socket pots are installed and the drainage and all to save time). Our nursery covered roughly 17 acres of land, we grow nothing but bushes and trees. We have THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of trees and bushes growing in pots. We know what growing in pots is all about. I can add to that nearly four decades of cannabis growing experience, 38 years now and swiftly approaching 39 years. That has taught me even more about what proper growing in pots requires.

And before you say cannabis plants are totally different and their needs are totally different and scientifically proven botanical facts that apply to virtually every other growing thing does not apply to them I will save you the time and head you off and tell you that you are completely wrong. Just because cannabis plants produce cannabinoids does not exclude the rest of the plant from the very same scientifically proven facts and no amount of home mad scientist fad game playing growing will ever be enough to turn so much as one single scientifically proven fact into a falsehood.

You are just one more in a VERY LARGE group of people who have absolutely NO true botanical knowledge whatsoever and who do not have the slightest clue of how plants actually grow, what they do, what they do not do and what their true needs are.

When someone who is having a problem or who is unsure about something asks a question and you, or someone like you, advises them it is an absolutely perfect example of the blind leading the blind.

It is people like you who keep sites like this universities of ignorance and bastions of the uninformed and uneducated by passing on all the incorrect, inaccurate growing information floating around the net and sharing all the mythical growing beliefs and the ever so dangerous half-truths and misconceptions about growing and all the growing urban legends and the ever so popular old hippie folklore along of course with all the "latest and greatest" new fad gimmick growing methods that you and others like you instantly believe just have to be great and then parrot them as if they are scientifically proven facts rather than just the belief someone conjured up all on their own, that when it come to yo advising people about how best to grow are about as accurate as one plus one equals seventy six.

It's people like you that keep this site, and many others like it, a Romper Room for growing rather than an MIT for growing.


So some "old timer" steered you wrong once so that means, in your simple mind, that no one with age and experience and education can ever be correct or ever be up on things, right? You mentioned how "old timers" don't or wouldn't know about UVB lighting. Well below is a short section of an article I have posted more times than you have likely been laid in your life.

Recent Swiss trials in outdoor plots of clones grown at different altitudes have shown that there is correlation between higher altitude and increased potency (although there seems to be a trade off in yield). This likely means that THC-rich resins act to protect the plant and its seed from both higher light intensities and ultraviolet presence. It's no surprise that cannabis has developed a chemical to protect itself against the Sun's damaging UV rays, as they can be injurious to all forms of life. In a plant's search for survival, energy put towards unneeded processes is wasted energy. Therefore a high-THC plant grown in a low THC environment will likely produce a medium THC result.



Humidity also plays a role in plant resin production. Although some potent equatorial strains do seem to occur in high humidity areas, most high-test land races have evolved in drier areas, like Afghanistan. The aridity of the areas of Afghanistan where Indica strains have evolved is quite apparent by the trait of large dense flower clusters.
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I have preached the effects of UVB light time and time again.

I wonder if your newfangled knowledge has you up to speed on the part that humidity plays in resin production? I'm sure even though you know you don't have a clue about it you will swear you know all about it.

As I mentioned, this "old timer" has four family members with degrees in botany, the most recent to graduate was three years ago, so they are pretty mush up on the latest information and I do pick their brains whenever I have a question about something I am unsure about. They also regularly attend continuing education short courses which I often go too with them, so this "old timer" is still learning the very latest discoveries, things that you have never imagined exist or happen and that you will never learn fiddling around in your basement or spare room or backyard if you live to be one thousand years old.

You picked the wrong "old timer" to attempt to use as an example of being out of date or not knowing the needs of things that are grown in pots.

Now why don't you just go back to your Romper Room grow and leave this educated and experienced "old timer" alone. OK?
 
FootClan

FootClan

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Brick Top said:
I really hate to have to keep repeating myself about this but along with four family members, all with degrees in botany, we own a pot-in-pot nursery. For those who do not know what a pot-in-pot nursery is it's where you make rows of socket pots in the ground that are just slightly larger than the pots that plants or trees or bushes will be grown in. In the socket pots the pots that are grown in are placed. (I left out how the socket pots are installed and the drainage and all to save time). Our nursery covered roughly 17 acres of land, we grow nothing but bushes and trees. We have THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of trees and bushes growing in pots. We know what growing in pots is all about. I can add to that nearly four decades of cannabis growing experience, 38 years now and swiftly approaching 39 years. That has taught me even more about what proper growing in pots requires.

And before you say cannabis plants are totally different and their needs are totally different and scientifically proven botanical facts that apply to virtually every other growing thing does not apply to them I will save you the time and head you off and tell you that you are completely wrong. Just because cannabis plants produce cannabinoids does not exclude the rest of the plant from the very same scientifically proven facts and no amount of home mad scientist fad game playing growing will ever be enough to turn so much as one single scientifically proven fact into a falsehood.

You are just one more in a VERY LARGE group of people who have absolutely NO true botanical knowledge whatsoever and who do not have the slightest clue of how plants actually grow, what they do, what they do not do and what their true needs are.

When someone who is having a problem or who is unsure about something asks a question and you, or someone like you, advises them it is an absolutely perfect example of the blind leading the blind.

It is people like you who keep sites like this universities of ignorance and bastions of the uninformed and uneducated by passing on all the incorrect, inaccurate growing information floating around the net and sharing all the mythical growing beliefs and the ever so dangerous half-truths and misconceptions about growing and all the growing urban legends and the ever so popular old hippie folklore along of course with all the "latest and greatest" new fad gimmick growing methods that you and others like you instantly believe just have to be great and then parrot them as if they are scientifically proven facts rather than just the belief someone conjured up all on their own, that when it come to yo advising people about how best to grow are about as accurate as one plus one equals seventy six.

It's people like you that keep this site, and many others like it, a Romper Room for growing rather than an MIT for growing.


So some "old timer" steered you wrong once so that means, in your simple mind, that no one with age and experience and education can ever be correct or ever be up on things, right? You mentioned how "old timers" don't or wouldn't know about UVB lighting. Well below is a short section of an article I have posted more times than you have likely been laid in your life.



I have preached the effects of UVB light time and time again.

I wonder if your newfangled knowledge has you up to speed on the part that humidity plays in resin production? I'm sure even though you know you don't have a clue about it you will swear you know all about it.

As I mentioned, this "old timer" has four family members with degrees in botany, the most recent to graduate was three years ago, so they are pretty mush up on the latest information and I do pick their brains whenever I have a question about something I am unsure about. They also regularly attend continuing education short courses which I often go too with them, so this "old timer" is still learning the very latest discoveries, things that you have never imagined exist or happen and that you will never learn fiddling around in your basement or spare room or backyard if you live to be one thousand years old.

You picked the wrong "old timer" to attempt to use as an example of being out of date or not knowing the needs of things that are grown in pots.

Now why don't you just go back to your Romper Room grow and leave this educated and experienced "old timer" alone. OK?
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Bla bla bla didnt read anything that pre-tained to your resume like i said only interested in the facts not your back ground and once again you insist on re-typing your resume. you could have used those words to educate us on the facts and theories but instead you move to insults again now adding that i cant get laid? lol so ive never been to school and i cant get laid now eather?? lol what? are you for real? people who right 500 word posts boasting about how smart they are and how many years there family is in this and that and bla bla and throw out childish insults arent the "lady killer" type duh....I never met a chick who was impressed by botany talk and resumes so your a duche for even saying that shit and you call me uneducated and you throw out middle school insults like that?? thats kids shit....... and where suppose to respect that? your suppose to be the elder the one with wisdom not the "child" saying childish insults about who has more game you think you have more game then me?? lol you dont even know what "game" is do you??

Once again i was right you said it yourself "if the plant is LESS THEN 5 FEET TALL i can use 3 gallon pots" this whole time ive been saying it over and over and everyones been saying "prick top is right you need 5 gallon pots" then you yourself just said " unelss your growing 5 foot tall plants you DONT need them even though they could make use of the added meduim........ EVERYONE WHO SAID I WAS WRONG WELL PRICK TOP just said what i was saying the whole time and all you ass holes didnt listen because you had his cock in your mouth.......My god you arent even interested in wether or not i know what im saying your just "BUTT HURT" because of my original post where i said you where wrong about somthing. ALL THIS was just because i said your wrong oh my GOD you big BABY if i said the world is round you'd find some way to insult me and say its ovile not round..lol geez are you for real?? do you keep the neighbor kids balls when they go astray into your yard ?? grumpy butthurt baby....

For the LAST TIME you can use 3 gallon pots if your not growing big ass plants......for the record I WAS NOT WRONG ive been saying this this WHOLE TIME ......go ahead and insult me NO ONE has got my back on here not one member jumped in to set the record straight with a non bias opinion y'all can suck it ...... i got my own back........
 
Brick Top

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FootClan said:
Bla bla bla didnt read anything that pre-tained to your resume like i said only interested in the facts not your back ground and once again you insist on re-typing your resume. you could have used those words to educate us on the facts and theories but instead you move to insults again now adding that i cant get laid? lol so ive never been to school and i cant get laid now eather?? lol what? are you for real? people who right 500 word posts boasting about how smart they are and how many years there family is in this and that and bla bla and throw out childish insults arent the "lady killer" type duh....I never met a chick who was impressed by botany talk and resumes so your a duche for even saying that shit and you call me uneducated and you throw out middle school insults like that?? thats kids shit....... and where suppose to respect that? your suppose to be the elder the one with wisdom not the "child" saying childish insults about who has more game you think you have more game then me?? lol you dont even know what "game" is do you??

Once again i was right you said it yourself "if the plant is LESS THEN 5 FEET TALL i can use 3 gallon pots" this whole time ive been saying it over and over and everyones been saying "prick top is right you need 5 gallon pots" then you yourself just said " unelss your growing 5 foot tall plants you DONT need them even though they could make use of the added meduim........ EVERYONE WHO SAID I WAS WRONG WELL PRICK TOP just said what i was saying the whole time and all you ass holes didnt listen because you had his cock in your mouth.......My god you arent even interested in wether or not i know what im saying your just "BUTT HURT" because of my original post where i said you where wrong about somthing. ALL THIS was just because i said your wrong oh my GOD you big BABY if i said the world is round you'd find some way to insult me and say its ovile not round..lol geez are you for real?? do you keep the neighbor kids balls when they go astray into your yard ?? grumpy butthurt baby....

For the LAST TIME you can use 3 gallon pots if your not growing big ass plants......for the record I WAS NOT WRONG ive been saying this this WHOLE TIME ......go ahead and insult me NO ONE has got my back on here not one member jumped in to set the record straight with a non bias opinion y'all can suck it ...... i got my own back........
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Bore, yawn, snore!

Get back to me when you want to talk botany. You know what botany is, right? It's the scientific study of plants, including their physiology, structure, genetics, ecology, distribution, classification, and economic importance. It's all the things that you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about.

As for my relating my experience, that is to make a point that I know what I am talking about. After slightly over a decade of owning a nursery with thousands and thousands of trees and bushes growing in pots each and every year I know more about growing in pots than you ever could. Factor in my education and my nearly four decades of cannabis growing and that is more than just icing on the cake of experience.

If you wouldn't mind telling me what message number what you claim I said is in, where you said; "Once again i was right you said it yourself "if the plant is LESS THEN 5 FEET TALL i can use 3 gallon pots" I would appreciate it. I scanned my messages and the closest thing to saying that, that I could find was when I said; " If you have your plants in 5-gallon pots now unless you will be growing plants that are over about 5 feet tall, after a LONG vegetative growth period, you will be fine.” I failed to see where I said three gallon pots would be fine if someone is growing plants that are less than five feet tall.

Possibly I did so I am sure I must have missed something I wrote because I am positive someone as honest and as upstanding and as intelligent as you are would never stoop to misquoting me, so I know that you will provide the message number to my post where I said what you quoted me as having said, right? You will do that so I can see where I made an error in what I typed because I have never suggested a pot size under 4-gallons, ever, and that was only a select few times, so if I wrote what you claimed I would like to know where to go so I can edit it and correct my error. So you will tell me the message number that you quoted me from, right?


I regards to your; " people who right 500 word posts boasting about how smart they are and how many years there family is in this and that and bla bla and throw out childish insults arent the "lady killer" type duh....I never met a chick who was impressed by botany talk and resumes" comment." Dude, I am 55 years old, just a few months from turning 56. I have had more than my fair share of women in my life and many of them I wish I never had because they were bigger pains in my ass than you.

For all the headaches and heartaches and expense I have suffered through just to be able to fire off my heat seeking moisture missile, sometimes when I think about it, I think if I could live my life over again I would just jerk off and live alone. Most women I have had in my life have been the bane of my existence.

I am not here to impress women, or anyone for that fact, and I do not make any attempts to impress women in real life. If there is one thing every male needs to learn it is you never want to impress a woman because once you do she will expect you to maintain that standard for the rest of your life.

I have no wish, want or need for women that want or need to be impressed and I most sincerely hope I never impress another one by accident, ever again. I am more than happy without that type of woman. They are useless.

That is why God made hookers and that is why a guy that's knocking on the door of 56 can still poke girls that are 18, 19, 21, 23 etc. Sure I have to whip out money first but that assures that I can then whip out what's more important to me. There is no maybe about it. There is no game playing. It's like David Bowie sang; "Ohhh, Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am!" Then it's out the door and all the worthless pain in the ass bullshit that other people are forced to put up with is totally avoided, it is not a part of my life.

To make it even better I get to pick and choose, like picking out a new car. Do I want the white one or the black one or the tan one? Gee, maybe I'll splurge and get all three!

Here's where I do my shopping. http://www.erosguide.com/ and I don't have to buy them flowers. I don't have to take them to movies. I don't have to take them to dinner .... I just take them.

It works pretty darn well for me so I see no reason why I should alter things now.

And if I wanted to comment on your education I could mention that not counting your "bla, bla, bla's and lol's you made no less than eleven errors in your message. I say no less than because I was not an English major and I make errors too, but there were eleven that were so blatant that even I could not miss them.

I don't know what time zone you are in, and frankly I do not care, but if it's the same as here, it's 8:15AM so shouldn't you be out on your paper route by now? Sorry, I forgot. You’re not a paper boy, you’re a burger flipper at Jack in the Box. Enjoy talking through the clowns head dude!
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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1 foot per gal or 1 gal per month...and from a botanist also,.,,i think he even worked at mc donalds to as a kid...
 
Hudsonvalley82

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Alright, time for an impartial third party (albeit with little experience). Someone has a problem: 18 inch tall plant 3 gallon pot, roots out of bottom, plant having growth problems, afraid of being root bound. Okay...

Suggestion 1: either get a 5 gallon pot, or you should have used a 5 gallon pot, that would eliminate the problem(s) at hand.
Suggestion 2: Three gallon pots are fine. Problems addressed: 0

From my experience: I have 4 plants on my first grow. None of which are 18" high, however some degree of LST (although improper) has been applied and has caused a large degree of bushiness. They are in 5 gallon pots, and roots have been showing out of the bottom for a week and a half at least. Using my imagination, I could logically perceive that removing 40% of my soil capacity, and increasing my plants size to 18" would cause a very real possibility of running into root issues. Not that everyone will, or that is it common place, but it is entirely possible.

Now if you were to find yourself in such a situation, according to this thread you could either say "3 gallon pots are fine, and I should run into no worse problems due to my pot size in the coming weeks of growth with these plants" as according to one suggestion. Or you can say, "Fucked if I know what the root system looks like in there, but I sure as hell know that if I had a 5 gallon pot, this problem wouldn't even come to mind." I am a man that enjoys eliminating problems before they happen. We run into enough issues with our grows as it is, the last thing you need is to cause issues for yourself. I use 5 gallon pots. I LST to try to keep the plants at about 48" (target height). I didn't start growing pot so I could take risks growing limited size plants.

Just my 2 cents.
Listen to the guy that has either done the mistakes, or seen the mistakes done already, in order to avoid them yourself. I don't care how he delivers the message, just use your common sense. Every time I don't listen to a veteran at something, I usually regret it, and find out that he/she was right the hard way. With something like this, I wouldn't risk finding out anything the hard way.
 
FootClan

FootClan

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Brick Top said:
Bore, yawn, snore!

Get back to me when you want to talk botany. You know what botany is, right? It's the scientific study of plants, including their physiology, structure, genetics, ecology, distribution, classification, and economic importance. It's all the things that you know absolutely nothing whatsoever about.

As for my relating my experience, that is to make a point that I know what I am talking about. After slightly over a decade of owning a nursery with thousands and thousands of trees and bushes growing in pots each and every year I know more about growing in pots than you ever could. Factor in my education and my nearly four decades of cannabis growing and that is more than just icing on the cake of experience.

If you wouldn't mind telling me what message number what you claim I said is in, where you said; "Once again i was right you said it yourself "if the plant is LESS THEN 5 FEET TALL i can use 3 gallon pots" I would appreciate it. I scanned my messages and the closest thing to saying that, that I could find was when I said; " If you have your plants in 5-gallon pots now unless you will be growing plants that are over about 5 feet tall, after a LONG vegetative growth period, you will be fine.” I failed to see where I said three gallon pots would be fine if someone is growing plants that are less than five feet tall.

Possibly I did so I am sure I must have missed something I wrote because I am positive someone as honest and as upstanding and as intelligent as you are would never stoop to misquoting me, so I know that you will provide the message number to my post where I said what you quoted me as having said, right? You will do that so I can see where I made an error in what I typed because I have never suggested a pot size under 4-gallons, ever, and that was only a select few times, so if I wrote what you claimed I would like to know where to go so I can edit it and correct my error. So you will tell me the message number that you quoted me from, right?


I regards to your; " people who right 500 word posts boasting about how smart they are and how many years there family is in this and that and bla bla and throw out childish insults arent the "lady killer" type duh....I never met a chick who was impressed by botany talk and resumes" comment." Dude, I am 55 years old, just a few months from turning 56. I have had more than my fair share of women in my life and many of them I wish I never had because they were bigger pains in my ass than you.

For all the headaches and heartaches and expense I have suffered through just to be able to fire off my heat seeking moisture missile, sometimes when I think about it, I think if I could live my life over again I would just jerk off and live alone. Most women I have had in my life have been the bane of my existence.

I am not here to impress women, or anyone for that fact, and I do not make any attempts to impress women in real life. If there is one thing every male needs to learn it is you never want to impress a woman because once you do she will expect you to maintain that standard for the rest of your life.

I have no wish, want or need for women that want or need to be impressed and I most sincerely hope I never impress another one by accident, ever again. I am more than happy without that type of woman. They are useless.

That is why God made hookers and that is why a guy that's knocking on the door of 56 can still poke girls that are 18, 19, 21, 23 etc. Sure I have to whip out money first but that assures that I can then whip out what's more important to me. There is no maybe about it. There is no game playing. It's like David Bowie sang; "Ohhh, Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am!" Then it's out the door and all the worthless pain in the ass bullshit that other people are forced to put up with is totally avoided, it is not a part of my life.

To make it even better I get to pick and choose, like picking out a new car. Do I want the white one or the black one or the tan one? Gee, maybe I'll splurge and get all three!

Here's where I do my shopping. http://www.erosguide.com/ and I don't have to buy them flowers. I don't have to take them to movies. I don't have to take them to dinner .... I just take them.

It works pretty darn well for me so I see no reason why I should alter things now.

And if I wanted to comment on your education I could mention that not counting your "bla, bla, bla's and lol's you made no less than eleven errors in your message. I say no less than because I was not an English major and I make errors too, but there were eleven that were so blatant that even I could not miss them.

I don't know what time zone you are in, and frankly I do not care, but if it's the same as here, it's 8:15AM so shouldn't you be out on your paper route by now? Sorry, I forgot. You’re not a paper boy, you’re a burger flipper at Jack in the Box. Enjoy talking through the clowns head dude!
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sorry soon as you started going into how many years you did this once again i stopped reading tried to pick it back up further into it but too long just lost interest.......and we still where we where before 3 gallon pots work great for a plant under 5 feet ...lol
 
FootClan

FootClan

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Hudsonvalley82 said:
Alright, time for an impartial third party (albeit with little experience). Someone has a problem: 18 inch tall plant 3 gallon pot, roots out of bottom, plant having growth problems, afraid of being root bound. Okay...

Suggestion 1: either get a 5 gallon pot, or you should have used a 5 gallon pot, that would eliminate the problem(s) at hand.
Suggestion 2: Three gallon pots are fine. Problems addressed: 0

From my experience: I have 4 plants on my first grow. None of which are 18" high, however some degree of LST (although improper) has been applied and has caused a large degree of bushiness. They are in 5 gallon pots, and roots have been showing out of the bottom for a week and a half at least. Using my imagination, I could logically perceive that removing 40% of my soil capacity, and increasing my plants size to 18" would cause a very real possibility of running into root issues. Not that everyone will, or that is it common place, but it is entirely possible.

Now if you were to find yourself in such a situation, according to this thread you could either say "3 gallon pots are fine, and I should run into no worse problems due to my pot size in the coming weeks of growth with these plants" as according to one suggestion. Or you can say, "Fucked if I know what the root system looks like in there, but I sure as hell know that if I had a 5 gallon pot, this problem wouldn't even come to mind." I am a man that enjoys eliminating problems before they happen. We run into enough issues with our grows as it is, the last thing you need is to cause issues for yourself. I use 5 gallon pots. I LST to try to keep the plants at about 48" (target height). I didn't start growing pot so I could take risks growing limited size plants.

Just my 2 cents.
Listen to the guy that has either done the mistakes, or seen the mistakes done already, in order to avoid them yourself. I don't care how he delivers the message, just use your common sense. Every time I don't listen to a veteran at something, I usually regret it, and find out that he/she was right the hard way. With something like this, I wouldn't risk finding out anything the hard way.
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who gets root bound at 18 inchs in a 3 gallon pot lol anyone? anyone? bueller? bueller?

also if i cant fit 5 gallon pots without lowering the quanity of my plants then moving to 5 gallon dosent work.....and i keep saying this but know wants to listen like i said its ok i got my own back on this one i dont need anyone to agree i know that 9 5 gallon pots wont fit under my 4x4 space with one light, period i know this becuase i put 5gallon in there before didnt fit so when you say the problme could be addressed by going bigger then to me you are WRONG doing that will just add new problems like how will they fit i would be forced to move from 9 plants to 6 plants well i want 9 in this case 5 gallon would not work....Ive said this OVER AND OVER lol yet we still talking about how im wrong when im not LOL too funny really
 
FootClan

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whats funny is im 30 years of age and run a prop215 cannibas dispensary in Ca....... everyone assume shit when they know nothing about me......I deal with vendors all the time that think they know everything about growing......i may not be an old fart but i got plenty of my own experiance in this game granted maybe not as much growing as distrubution but i deal with cannibas all day for a living dont see me trying to solve debates with my resume i could have said that shit in the beginning like prick top posts his 500 word resume but i didnt i just let him run his mouth about how i flip burgers and cant get laid and so on lol...i didnt becasue that shit dosnt change the fact that 3 gallon pots work better than 5 in SOME circumstances yes not all circumstances if i had a house/mulitpul lights and lots of head clearance id probably use 5 gallon but that dosent mean that you cant make 3 gallon work in a limited space and still get great results with the resources consumed...... Cant stand this " your wrong just becasue i say so" mentailty.....

If i talked to patients the way brick top talked to me i would not have a job thats for sure.....
 
sk'mo

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FootClan said:
So you dont beleive a person CANT fall behind in the times on new growing techengues?
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Technique or technology? Technology in the industry is advancing constantly (indoor growing, smart pots, hydroponics, etc.), and if a person chooses not to keep up with new advancements they will indeed fall behind the times. On the other hand, I have been practising professional landscape management (A fancy way of saying 'gardener') for 7 or 8 years, I'm new to cannabis, but the techniques I see being used in most cases aren't unique or special, and have been around for ages. Things like proper pot sizing are the same they have always been.

Experience though, teaches an individual how to best apply botanical knowledge and techniques in a practical setting. Again, in this industry, somethings take multiple 'seasons' and trial and error to truly understand. Any gardener worth his salt knows that he should keep an open ear to the voice of experience and not discount little old ladies with giant tomatoes and beautiful geraniums. They might just teach you a thing or two.

18 inches is not a big plant my plants get to 18 inchs in a matter of 2 weeks your telling me that in two weeks my plants will have root bound in my 3 gallon pots? LOL NO this is not correct i veg for 3 weeks and flower and my pots dont even get close to root bound so how would i benifit from switching to 5 gallon pots??
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Good for you. In fact, I would tend to agree with you, but the OP described conditions that would lead on to believe that their plant was root-bound. You may not be root bound at that height, but when there is a solid mass of roots that begins to grow out of the pot, you are likely talking about a root-bound plant.

There are other possibilities, but without photos and first-hand knowledge of the environment and conditions, it's hard to speculate. Regardless, that was never my point.

...how would i fit 9 5gallon pots in a 4x4 tent??? sk'mo please tell me how i would be better off with 5 gallon pots in a 4x4 space with 9 plants?? hhmmm i wanna see how this will work?? oh please tell me how that is suppose to be better???........If i switched to 5 gallon pots then i would have to only have 6 plants instead of 9 or 12 and i would have to veg them longer to make up the difference of only have 6 instead of 9 or 12 plants.....That means that ill have to use more nutes and more Pg&e just to get the same yeild as growing smaller plants instead of 6 so in the end its the same thing you all are crazy for acting like i dont know what im saying there is no use to using a pot bigger than what the plants needs unless the plants needs it and if my plants never get big enough to need a 5 gallon pot then why would i get a 5 gallon pot?? this is standered newbie central stuff here i dont know why you guys are arguing this is fact not up for debate having a pot bigger than what you need is just wasting resources period......
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I never suggested to you to use 5 gal pots. I don't even use 5 gal pots. If you are satisfied with your results, keep on truckin'. Don't let me stand in your way.

also you say experience is key and the longer you grow the more you know regardles if you keep on on new techenques right??
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What I said was that there are things in horticulture that can only be learned or understood through experience. I also said that education (Whether through reading or schooling.) gives you a better perspective. For example: My grandmother used to pour dirty dishwater in her plants and said they flowered better. She was right, it worked. Education taught me that it was phosphates in the soap that helped the plants.

Which techniques?

...why did i just hear from a veterian grower that plants dont like MH bulbs at all during flower?? but new studies show that UVB rays during flowering can increase potency yet this old timer had NO idea of this fact?/ WHY IS THIS?? if we go by what you say then that guy should have known that UVB is good for flowering how can someone like me that hasnt been growing for 25 years know this and someone who has dosent?? huh?? like i said just becuase someone has been doing someting for years dosent mean they know everything and they are right....this guy said i was wrong and said hes knows im wrong becasue hes "been around" explain that one to me too??
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Sorry, I don't speak in absolutes. Read what I type more carefully.

Just because an individual has experience, doesn't mean they know everything. But if that old timer grows better weed than you, you may what to find out what he does and apply some critical thinking skills, then use your newly acquired knowledge to improve your own growing skill.

...Using OUTDATED info to tell people how to grow so Prick top and you and everyone else who thinks that they are right on every subject just becuase they have been around can suck it...
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Actually Sunshine, I'm a couple of years your junior. I have some schooling and real experience in the field, but something I have that you seem to be lacking is enough humility to realize I don't know everything and that there will always be much to learn.

...its people like that which got me side tracked when i first started growing everyone telling me i had to do this and i had to do that and i figured they must be right because as you say they have experiance come to found out all that shit i was told was mostly OUTDATED and all the old technegues that these old guys use have all been updated with new techniques and now that i figured that out i wont be side tracked by people...
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I'm sorry to hear that. Seriously. I'm lucky that in coming into this I already have a background that helps me sift through the BS that is so rampant in cannabis growing. I'm more pragmatic in my approach. I stick to what I know until I've had the opportunity to test what I don't, relying on my ability to reason and decide for myself what is appropriate.

YES I KNOW IM WRONG I NEED 5 GALLON POTS NO MATTER WHAT RIGHT?? LOL so stupid
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Do what is best for your situation. If your plants show signs of being root-bound, then pot up.
 
Mountainfarmer

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There is no way you should be watering every 24 hours. I use 3 gallon pots too. I veg till 18" and flower for 70 days. I have never had a problem with root bounding. What I would do is water your plants till they are saturated. Let the water pool in the saucers and absorb through the bottom until the soil is soaked. I use promix in a 3 gallon pot and water every 6-7 days. Also, it is normal to be able to see roots when looking at the drainage holes. I actually did an experiment in my set up and used 5 gallon pots for 1 run to see if there would be a difference in yield or whatever. The only difference was I had to move heavy 5 gallon pots instead of much lighter 3 gallon pots. Do what one poster said and pop the root ball out and check it. But I highly doubt u r root bound. GL
 
FootClan

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Why are you trying to tell me stuff i already know i didnt jump into this post to get advice i was giving adive and you advice was the same as mine ( 3gallon can work as well as 5) just like i said.....yet instead of saying footclan you are right you dont always need 5 gallon pots like brick tops says you say i need humilty?? what??

I have plenty of humility ive said nothing to indcate otherwises you should be giving the humilty speach to brick top not me..Hes the the argant one that is un wiling to debate and look at others opinions but his own i have no problems with you or anyyting you said i pretty much agreed with all that you said(of course i agree its same thing ive been saying lol) .... this all started becasue brick top started insulting me saying i didnt know what i was talking about yet all i was saying is that you dont have to have 5 gallon pots and sometimes smaller work better....I do not have pot issues i have NO issues with my grow i only jumped into this post to tell that dude that maybe you dont need 5 gallon pots like prick top says we ALL need. after that it turned into an insult me session......i dont care wether or not this guy uses 5 or 3 or wether prick tops uses 5 or 3 all i was getting at is the fact that he kept saying i didnt know what i was talking about when i did... he wasnt even reading and responding to the facts...... everyone keeps on trying to teach ME a lesson here but the lesson is that you dont always need 5 gallon pots(which ive already said a hundred times) and talking down to people and having a hudge EGO will shadow good advice .....

why isnt anyone commenting on all the fucked up shit brick top said?? about how i flip burgers and cant get laid and have a paper rought how i didnt go to school and know nothing on batony when you your self said that you agree with how i grow with 3 gallon pots............Are we in backwards land ?? why arent you giving brick top a speach about humilty??? I feel like ive responded so much more mature then him yet you keep acting like i was the one acting childish and not him.....this is crazy you all are out of your minds here every single repsonce he posted towards me was completly fucked up and childish and pettty yet not one person said " oh brick top you might be a lil out of line on this one" like i said in the earlyer posts you all got his cock in your mouth and i dont want to hear anyting tell you take it out.....
 
FootClan

FootClan

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Mountainfarmer said:
There is no way you should be watering every 24 hours. I use 3 gallon pots too. I veg till 18" and flower for 70 days. I have never had a problem with root bounding. What I would do is water your plants till they are saturated. Let the water pool in the saucers and absorb through the bottom until the soil is soaked. I use promix in a 3 gallon pot and water every 6-7 days. Also, it is normal to be able to see roots when looking at the drainage holes. I actually did an experiment in my set up and used 5 gallon pots for 1 run to see if there would be a difference in yield or whatever. The only difference was I had to move heavy 5 gallon pots instead of much lighter 3 gallon pots. Do what one poster said and pop the root ball out and check it. But I highly doubt u r root bound. GL
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Thank you mountain farmer ive been saying the same thing this whole time apparently the fact that I said it means its wrong but maybe if you say it it will be accepted more.....
 
Brick Top

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FootClan said:
sorry soon as you started going into how many years you did this once again i stopped reading tried to pick it back up further into it but too long just lost interest.......and we still where we where before 3 gallon pots work great for a plant under 5 feet ...lol
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Did I miss a reply to the following in your short message above? When and where did I say it ans you have it stated above?


If you wouldn't mind telling me what message number what you claim I said is in, where you said; "Once again i was right you said it yourself "if the plant is LESS THEN 5 FEET TALL i can use 3 gallon pots" I would appreciate it. I scanned my messages and the closest thing to saying that, that I could find was when I said; " If you have your plants in 5-gallon pots now unless you will be growing plants that are over about 5 feet tall, after a LONG vegetative growth period, you will be fine.” I failed to see where I said three gallon pots would be fine if someone is growing plants that are less than five feet tall.

Possibly I did so I am sure I must have missed something I wrote because I am positive someone as honest and as upstanding and as intelligent as you are would never stoop to misquoting me, so I know that you will provide the message number to my post where I said what you quoted me as having said, right? You will do that so I can see where I made an error in what I typed because I have never suggested a pot size under 4-gallons, ever, and that was only a select few times, so if I wrote what you claimed I would like to know where to go so I can edit it and correct my error. So you will tell me the message number that you quoted me from, right?
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Dude, Footclan, ur a loser, bigger root balls means bigger yields, this is common sense, stop being a baby and talk about the issues
 
Kiboko

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FootClan said:
i dont need anyone to agree i know that 9 5 gallon pots wont fit under my 4x4 space with one light, period
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I claim no scholarly heritage, but am no hack with things verdant. I do however find it interesting that in my 4x4 tent, 9 5gal fit quite nicely.
 
biffchicken

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tabi said:
lol @ burger filpper


hey buddy just take one of your plants and pop it out of the pot. then you will know if it is root bound!
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I agree, there doesn't need to be any arguments. You both prefer using different size pots, don't have to be angry at one another. We all know that's it's personal preference, you just have to do what works well for you. Peace to the world man!

EDIT: If you think you're plant is rootbound, transplant it into a bigger pot.
 
ValiD

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Wow, discovered this post on Google by accident, while trying to find some info on root bound problems, and I learned a lot from the informative and very thorough posts Brick Top wrote. I didn't however enjoy the fight.

Just a friendly advice FootClan: be more open minded man. You should consider that, for a better everyday living. Botany is a science. Scientists don't bullshit the world (for that we have the church and the politics, but that's another discussion), they just expose the facts they discover so that others can learn how to do things better. Also, scientific facts are those facts that you can REPRODUCE, given a set of initial conditions. So, instead of arguing, why not make a test? Grow 2 plants, one in a 3 gal pot and one in a 5 gal pot, vegetate both for 30 days and in the meanwhile make observations (a journal or something) to prove that both plants will develop exactly the same given these different pot sizes. Don't just go ahead and assume someone is wrong just because you haven't done your homework. Just take this into account: my Big Bud which is currently growing in what you might coincidentally call a 3 gal pot, started about a week ago to come out of the bottom (I mean roots). Veg time so far: 33 days; LST was applied, so that might have sped up the growth of the roots, but I'm not sure of that, it's just a logical explanation that seemed believable to me. I now need to expand the growing space, and I will add another 3 gal pot underneath the current one, so that the plant would not suffer and would develop normally. I could, in your way of doing things, to just leave it in the 3 gal pot another week in vegging and 8 more at least into flowering, that MIGHT work as well, but doesn't mean it's optimal. I would risk getting smaller buds (this is the happy way), or maybe even ending with a dead plant (worst case scenario).

Experience teaches you a lot, friend. When I first started this plant (which by the way is my first ever) I thought: "hey man, this pot should work, I don't have the space for a bigger one", I said to myself, grabbing those smaller pots and heading for the pay desk. If only I would have stumbled upon this topic a long while ago, because in the meanwhile, I changed my mind and decided to go LST and not single-cola.

Recognize value, and embrace science, don't reject it. Always keep an open ear to what others say, you might learn valuable stuff, even when other's advice seem crap to you. If you choose to grow small buds and harvest early, that doesn't make it the best way. Not even close. Others expect more. I, myself, want the best of my plant, and I'm going to achieve that by providing the best close to optimal conditions I possibly can.
 
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Brick Top said:
Yet another typical response from someone with absolutely no true botanical knowledge whatsoever and who refuses to accept it when they are told it, but I bet you're a heck of a burger flipper!
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Really? You have all of this experience in botany but you can't spell the word huge and many others.
 
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