Possibly dudding

catdaddy516

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After doing some reading and research I’m just checking to make sure I didn’t receive any duds.
it’s been some years since I last grew something (2013-2014) and I grew from seed. However, this time I decided to start by going the clone route until I find a good seed line to go through and I just want to make sure I do don’t receive any duds in the process.
For anyone that’s familiar with dealing with duds, could you please chime in and give your opinions or your thoughts in regards to the matter.
Thanks in advance.
 

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catdaddy516

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what makes you think there duds?
The excessive branching of one. I’ve done lil to no training and the secondary shoots are developing at a rate that indicates possible dudding. At first I was thinking it was the LED’s, but after reading a few threads, excessive branching seems to be a symptom of dudding, so I just want to make sure it’s not the case.
I’m addition my to the excessive branching, the one with less branching and leaves has a better root system, which raises my suspicion even more.
 

catdaddy516

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oh dudes, no i think there female if you baught them from a good store
Lol. They’re definitely female. And it’s as the title states “Duds”.
They’re definitely due for a transplant, but I’m waiting until my order of air pots come in.
 
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catdaddy516

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I’ve never heard the term dudding before.
They’re growing so they’re not duds.
What is dudding?

They need a bigger pot and maybe pull the lights away a bit.
And I'm curious to know why you feel the lights should be pulled back a bit?
Thanks in advance.

You could send a sample to dark heart nursery for testing. I think it’s only $25
Definitely going to have to check into it. Do they take samples from out of state?
 
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oill

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The excessive branching of one. I’ve done lil to no training and the secondary shoots are developing at a rate that indicates possible dudding. At first I was thinking it was the LED’s, but after reading a few threads, excessive branching seems to be a symptom of dudding, so I just want to make sure it’s not the case.
I’m addition my to the excessive branching, the one with less branching and leaves has a better root system, which raises my suspicion even more.
Never know til it's done
 

Southernontariogrower

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After doing some reading and research I’m just checking to make sure I didn’t receive any duds.
it’s been some years since I last grew something (2013-2014) and I grew from seed. However, this time I decided to start by going the clone route until I find a good seed line to go through and I just want to make sure I do don’t receive any duds in the process.
For anyone that’s familiar with dealing with duds, could you please chime in and give your opinions or your thoughts in regards to the matter.
Thanks in advance.
Never heard of dudding before. This is going to be educational.
 

go go kid

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DARK HEART NURSERY IDENTIFIES NEW PATHOGEN, CREATES PATENT-PENDING PROCESS FOR TESTING AND ELIMINATING CANNABIS “DUDDING”
Research Started in 2017, with 31 Varietals Cured To Date

Project Lead Dr. Jeremy Warren Joins Dark Heart Nursery as Director of Plant Health


OAKLAND, Calif., (March 4, 2019) — Dark Heart Nursery (DHN) proudly announced today that it is the first organization to positively identify hop latent viroid (HpLVd), previously identified as Putative Cannabis Infectious Agent (PCIA), as the cause of “dudding” in cannabis. Since 2018, DHN has also been successfully testing for and eliminating HpLVd through a patent-pending clean plant process.

On the heels of this groundbreaking completed research, the company has also announced that project lead Dr. Jeremy Warren has officially joined DHN as Director of Plant Health.





“The positive identification of the HpLVd pathogen and our patent-pending clean plant process to test for and eliminate it represents a significant advance towards keeping cannabis crops healthy and supporting long-term business growth for cultivators,” said Dan Grace, Founder and President of Dark Heart Nursery. “With Dr. Warren at the helm, we are incredibly excited to now offer diagnostic and curative services for HpLVd to licensed cannabis businesses in California, as well as continue our research in identifying and eradicating additional cannabis-infecting pathogens.”



“Dudding” is a colloquial name for a variety of symptoms, which include loss of vigor, stunting, reduction in yield, reduction in potency and changes in morphology. The syndrome was codified in 2017 by Dr. Rick Crum who first coined the phrase “Putative Cannabis Infectious Agent” (PCIA) to describe it. In 2015, Dr. Crum reported that as many as 35% of observed plants showed PCIA symptoms.



In 2017, Dark Heart Nursery began working with Dr. Warren to determine the cause of PCIA. Symptomatic and asymptomatic plants were collected, and next-generation RNA sequencing was performed to determine a probable cause of the disease. After analysis of the results in November 2017, it was determined that Hop latent viroid (HpLVd) was the most likely candidate pathogen. A genetic test was then developed to aid in differentiating healthy plants from infected plants.



“It is important to note that finding a potential pathogen within a plant was only the first step in determining if the pathogen is indeed causing the disease in question,” said Dr. Warren. “To demonstrate causality, healthy plants were inoculated with an infectious clone of HpLVd to confirm that the developed symptoms were consistent with PCIA. Our team monitored these infected plants, as well as controlled (healthy) plants for three months to track symptom development. After this time, it was apparent that the HpLVd-infected plants were showing symptoms consistent with PCIA, such as yellowing of leaves, malformed leaves, and stunted growth. These results confirmed that HpLVd is causing PCIA symptoms in cannabis.”







In 2014, DHN established the cannabis industry’s first tissue culture laboratory. Among other areas of research, this lab has focused on the development of clean plant protocols through which cannabis can be cured of pathogens and cataloged for later use. Under the leadership of Research Manager Will Roberts, the company developed a patent-pending clean process, which is capable of reliably eliminating HpLVd from infected specimens. For the last year, Dr. Warren’s discovery and subsequent diagnostic tests have allowed DHN’s lab team to reliably and demonstrably eliminate HpLVd. To date, 31 varietals have been cured of the disease.
 

drsaltzman

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I’m all for science but sometimes I can’t help but think if you look hard enough to find something you’ll find something.
All of the symptoms listed for “dudding” happen every day in cannabis from environmental and genetic reasons. Plus grower error. Put me down as one who has never seen a plant “dud” from a virus. And 35% of plants? I’m skeptical.

The reason I said raise the lights a little is if they’re too intense, young plants grow shorter, with tighter nodes.
They also shy away from the intensity like any living thing will do. The lights should be positioned as such so that the plants grow to them, not away from them.
 
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twentyeight.threefive

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After doing some reading and research I’m just checking to make sure I didn’t receive any duds.
it’s been some years since I last grew something (2013-2014) and I grew from seed. However, this time I decided to start by going the clone route until I find a good seed line to go through and I just want to make sure I do don’t receive any duds in the process.
For anyone that’s familiar with dealing with duds, could you please chime in and give your opinions or your thoughts in regards to the matter.
Thanks in advance.
How would you know one was a dud without knowing what the parent looked like? I don't see any issues to be concerned about.
 

MyBallzItch

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How would you know one was a dud without knowing what the parent looked like? I don't see any issues to be concerned about.
There are ways. If you look in the strainly thread there are pictures and people describing it based on weak brittle stems and lack of frost amongst other things.

OP if the branching is strong and thick and not weak and spindly it's most likely because it's a clone. Healthy clones can seem to have more branching than running from seed because technically the clones are already "mature"
 

twentyeight.threefive

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There are ways. If you look in the strainly thread there are pictures and people describing it based on weak brittle stems and lack of frost amongst other things.

OP if the branching is strong and thick and not weak and spindly it's most likely because it's a clone. Healthy clones can seem to have more branching than running from seed because technically the clones are already "mature"
Oh strainly huh? Nice. Didn't know they had pictures of his mother plant on there.
 
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