Pollination

Hi-
I have been growing from seed- now running my first group of clones.
Last group I was fortunate enough to have my DJ Short F5 throw some pollen- definitely the survival pollen that some plants get late in flower to produce some seeds in hopes of growing again next season.
The blueberry plant has a decent amount of seeds- some buds none, others a bunch, some just one or 2.
The plant directly next to the blueberry was a white widow- which got some pollination- only found a few seeds so far. I can tell that there won’t be many. So these cross seeds should be “blue widow”
My question is does each grain of pollen produce 1 seed? It seems so to me.
So a heavily pollinated bud would be seedy snd other buds on top only got a few grains?
The HEPA filter in the room directly under the pollinator definitely helped to keep seed production down.

So a female blueberry f5 threw nanners and pollinated itself and some of the WW?

If thats the case, thats called a hermaphrodite and i wouldnt hang on those seeds cause itll continue down that line of seeds and just keep happening.

leatherbackturtle420 said:

So a female blueberry f5 threw nanners and pollinated itself and some of the WW?

If thats the case, thats called a hermaphrodite and i wouldnt hang on those seeds cause itll continue down that line of seeds and just keep happening.

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Thanks for the advice-
I had trouble getting seedlings to grow in this group- I believe I made the mistake of flipping to flower based on the size of the youngest plants- this blueberry was an early popper so it was really large and stretched very close to the lights and it is in a 3 gallon coco/perlite fabric pot. Is it possible it just got stressed and self pollinated? The bud- not cured yet- is really good. My wife opened a little vacuum container in the car and it was that old school- almost but not quite skunk scent- I really liked.
Buds are really nicely developed- solid with a slight blue color and unmistakable berry flavor.
I took clones from the plant and I am growing them now with the intention to flower earlier-
What do you think about the pollination question?

The blue color is hard to see on my crummy phone camera

Bud man 43 said:

Thanks for the advice-
I had trouble getting seedlings to grow in this group- I believe I made the mistake of flipping to flower based on the size of the youngest plants- this blueberry was an early popper so it was really large and stretched very close to the lights and it is in a 3 gallon coco/perlite fabric pot. Is it possible it just got stressed and self pollinated? The bud- not cured yet- is really good. My wife opened a little vacuum container in the car and it was that old school- almost but not quite skunk scent- I really liked.
Buds are really nicely developed- solid with a slight blue color and unmistakable berry flavor.
I took clones from the plant and I am growing them now with the intention to flower earlier-
What do you think about the pollination question?

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Could be stress, genetic, light leaks, could be a number of things that caused it to self pollinate. Thats why i wouldnt keep the seeds.

Me on the other hand would keep the seeds, just remember that when they hatch, they might do the same thing, and you might not be as happy about it.
I actually did the same cross right now, a Seedsman blueberry auto herm pollen X white rhino. The pollen sac was just 1 time in early early flower. Didn’t have any other sacs. I like this, it gives you a little seeds each time.
If the herm was continually producing pollen that would be something I wouldn’t keep. Unless you plan to sprinkle the seeds around town

One grain of pollen to make a seed. Each pistil can create one seed. Het pollen on every pistil on the bud and your bud will be bursting with seeds. is that what you're asking?

Cpappa27 said:

One grain of pollen to make a seed. Each pistil can create one seed. Het pollen on every pistil on the bud and your bud will be bursting with seeds. is that what you're asking?

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Yes- thank you

BB f5 is notorious for herming, which is insane if you consider that he's been breeding BB for almost 50 years and hasn't eliminated this trait.

Check out Blue Star's gear. He's like a DJ Short who gives a fuck. Uses the same genetics and makes stellar product.

The only plant I would tolerate herming from is a chem91 or chemD, that's only because it's supposedly one of the most potent plants around and they are both notorious for herming. It's also a bagseed, or to put it aptly, an accidental line. Not one that's been bred for nearly half a century.

leatherbackturtle420 said:

So a female blueberry f5 threw nanners and pollinated itself and some of the WW?

If thats the case, thats called a hermaphrodite and i wouldnt hang on those seeds cause itll continue down that line of seeds and just keep happening.

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So- are all s1 seeds prone to herm? Is it possible that the white widow cross may not have this issue? I will definitely do a run to see how it goes. I have so much bud i can experiment.

A true hermaphrodite is a plant that shows female pistils and male balls early in flower.........any seeds produced will be hermaphodites.
A plant that throws out nanners late in flower (rodelization) is not a true hermaphrodite and any seeds will be feminized.
Some growers induce rodelization by either letting the plant go past harvest or stressing it to induce rodeliztion in a way of getting feminized seeds.

I don’t really believe that those seeds are more likely to herm than any other seeds. Theres always a chance with any seeds. I know sometimes hermies are stress related and grower caused, but sometimes it’s just the plant doing EXACTLY whats in its nature to do which is to ultimately reproduce one way or another. Just like the famous jurassic park line “life finds a way”. Nothing you do can stop it. Sure there are strains that are more prone to do it than others, absolutely. But I don’t think I believe it means your seeds will 100% produce hermaphrodites. I’d grow the fuck outta those seeds.

MickFoster said:

A true hermaphrodite is a plant that shows female pistils and male balls early in flower.........any seeds produced will be hermaphodites.
A plant that throws out nanners late in flower (rodelization) is not a true hermaphrodite and any seeds will be feminized.
Some growers induce rodelization by either letting the plant go past harvest or stressing it to induce rodeliztion in a way of getting feminized seeds.

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This was my understanding-

SBNDB said:

I don’t really believe that those seeds are more likely to herm than any other seeds. Theres always a chance with any seeds. I know sometimes hermies are stress related and grower caused, but sometimes it’s just the plant doing EXACTLY whats in its nature to do which is to ultimately reproduce one way or another. Just like the famous jurassic park line “life finds a way”. Nothing you do can stop it. Sure there are strains that are more prone to do it than others, absolutely. But I don’t think I believe it means your seeds will 100% produce hermaphrodites. I’d grow the fuck outta those seeds.

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In the same way you can breed toward or away from any trait, you can breed hermaphroditism out of a strain, or back into it if you're inbreeding.

The likelihood of a plant prone to herming producing herm seeds from an S1 is pretty high, but not 100%. Either way, the bb f5 didn't meet my standard to continue messing with her, and mine didn't herm. I look forward to trying the Blue Star gear I have in the fridge, and other crosses. Frankly, I think for the price, the rate at which herms are reported with the f5 is bs.

Here is one of the blueberry clones- nice plant-
Never topped as I had a bunch in a small closet

kill the from seed plant and take clones, the clones will not pop nanners (assuming it was not caused by some stresser and happened naturally).. it's a weird thing maybe you call it a trait but it is very common according to JD Short with anything that has his fathers bb in it..

if balls formed you likely had something that caused it, if just nanners it's common for the gear