You know IMO the reason parents don't get involved anymore? Debt slaves are always worried about keeping/finding a job and supporting the family that they forget about those things. Mom And Dad have to work all day, then when they come home they are tired and stressed from the day, they pay their taxes and then assume that since they pay a lot of taxes that their kids MUST be getting a good education. Our society has become one in which we are glued to the Television, envious of every material item that screams "I made it". Always looking to one up the Jones's. Consumed with the almighty dolla dolla bill y'all. In debt up to their eyeballs, half their spendable income used just to service the debt and pay the interest. Eventually they can't pay anymore and the Bank swoops in and gets it all for nothing. If you have paid 1/3 of the payments in most cases the bank has already reaped full value, then they turn around and sell it all over and the process begins anew. A bank might reposess the same house 3 or 4 times a generation and make 600% profit and still be the owner. The number one reason marriages dissolve? Money. The love of money truly is the root of most evil.
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MrDank007
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Also, not being taken into consideration is that the cost of debt has to go up at some point.
BudMcLovin
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I’d say money is an excuse people use for divorce. When in reality marriage is just to damn hard for them to handle and a divorce isn’t that expensive.
MrDank007
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I don't know...women "need" a lot of shit
Mr Neutron
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LOL, ain't it the truth
Mr Neutron
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Serapis, correct me if I'm wrong in thinking that you agree that our educational system is not producing the quality of education we had prior to the creation of the DOEd.?. If that is the case, then why would you want to continue doing the wrong thing? If banging your head against a brick wall causes you to have headaches, do you swallow some aspirin and keep banging away? There are people with better solutions that don't involve throwing money at it or giving more control to the government. I read things all the time about better ideas for education. There's a lady in Washington, DC (I don't recall her name right now and she is changing their schools almost single handedly; and was it Minnesota that a few years back actually cut spending and improved their schools, also)
Blame the government for lackluster parenting? ... sure, I think I can make an argument for that!!!
Blame the government for lackluster parenting? ... sure, I think I can make an argument for that!!!
Mr Neutron
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LOL... yeah but I bet she looked HOT... was she a stripper?
incognegro999
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or an escort haha?
Serapis
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Let me ask you the same question, if you have a headache, do you chop off your head?
That is exactly what you are proposing, lopping of the head to spite the aspirin or the solution....
And please make that argument... I need some entertainment and a laugh today
That is exactly what you are proposing, lopping of the head to spite the aspirin or the solution....
And please make that argument... I need some entertainment and a laugh today
mame
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I'm going to stick with the position that the nations current deficits take a backseat to a full recovery - meaning that any tax increases or spending cuts need to wait.
The latest job report was actually encouraging IMHO. If current trends continue it could take as long as four years to reach pre recession levels of employment. any more taxes or spending cuts will slow the recovery (taxes get passed down to the consumer, depressing demand... Spending cuts usually lead to wage/job losses in the public sector - also depressing demand - as well as financial aid losses - which, obviously lower demand).
Further government spending could actually shorten the time the recovery would take contrary to what the conservatives would have you believe (for proof, look to the New Deal).
The latest job report was actually encouraging IMHO. If current trends continue it could take as long as four years to reach pre recession levels of employment. any more taxes or spending cuts will slow the recovery (taxes get passed down to the consumer, depressing demand... Spending cuts usually lead to wage/job losses in the public sector - also depressing demand - as well as financial aid losses - which, obviously lower demand).
Further government spending could actually shorten the time the recovery would take contrary to what the conservatives would have you believe (for proof, look to the New Deal).
Illegal Smile
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The depression was lengthened, not shortened, by the new deal. If shutting off the flow of deficit spending takes a backseat, any recovery will be brief and illusory. Crushing inflation is coming. Frankly, I see a double dip coming.
yeah she was hot, but a housewife with 4 kids.
The latest jobs report is always encouraging, it doesn't become discouraging until a week later when it gets downgraded so much that it is actually bad. You see the first time they come out with the numbers is always just a big guess, and a guess that is never near the actual number, then the revised number is sent out without fanfare in the hopes no one notices how bad things have really gotten.
mame
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No, the depression that happened in 1937 was caused by all the cuts that passed during the same timeframe as the New Deal. FDR felt political pressure - as does Obama now - to try and tackle the deficit issue too early. Unemployment was as high as 23.6% in 1932 - prior to The New Deal - and was as low (compared to before) as 14.9% before jumping up to 19% in early 1938. FDR then spent ~$5 billion more and the result PRIOR TO WW2 was in 1940 the unemployment rate was 14.6%. This is shown in the following set of data as the fastest drop in unemployment in history:
source
So, as you can see - even with the recession in late 1937- early 1938, FDR's New Deal caused the fastest government induced recovery the world has ever seen. Obviously, WW2 finished the job but the numbers are staggering in favor of my argument.
Illegal Smile
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But it wasn't a recovery. It was the government putting people on a payroll. Only ww2 began the real recovery.
mame
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So by that logic, they should exclude the millions of government workers in todays unemployment numbers then? Oh my.
Normal, non-partisan citizens, have no hatred for government workers as you - poisoned by ideology - seem to possess. Government workers are workers too - and no, they are not worthless... Unless you consider public services such as law enforcement, firefighting, public education, military, regulatory agencies (like the ones that make sure the food you eat is safe?), etc. to all be a waste of money - good luck making that argument.
This made me laugh because it reminded me of the revisions on January and Febuary's job numbers. If these numbers are downgraded, sure, so the picture isn't as good as they thought it was... I'd still advocate more spending - just as I have said already on these boards, they didn't spend enough.
Mr Neutron
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Let me ask you the same question, if you have a headache, do you chop off your head?
That is exactly what you are proposing, lopping of the head to spite the aspirin or the solution....
And please make that argument... I need some entertainment and a laugh today
Ah see, you had to go and pass judgement on something that hasn't even been written. I'm not going to waste any time trying to explain something to someone who will not listen with an open mind or at least give me some reasons why you think government does such a good job at running our lives. Maybe you're just in a constant state of haze, as you put it.
OK, so as far as education goes, what do you propose?
mame
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Oh and, runaway inflation is NOT on it's way: source
1)high unemployment
2)high (personal) debt
3) low investment
Accelerated Inflation helps people in debt. Once people are out of debt, demand increases. Then the extra demand increases investment (and thusly) increases employment. It's a measure the FED is forced to take because the government isn't spending any money to stimulate the economy.
So, even with inflation on it's way - it is not a pressing concern. In fact, the FED's decision to print more money - causing inflation - is actually very good for our current economic situation. Think about it. Demand is depressed because of a few factors:
1)high unemployment
2)high (personal) debt
3) low investment
Accelerated Inflation helps people in debt. Once people are out of debt, demand increases. Then the extra demand increases investment (and thusly) increases employment. It's a measure the FED is forced to take because the government isn't spending any money to stimulate the economy.
Illegal Smile
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Take the idea that deficit spending and bigger government is good and we should do more of it to the polls and see how it works for you. Democrat politics is based on tricking the stupid voter into believing you are something different than you are. Americans don't want to become like France, even though you do.