Political memes ONLY.. To prove your political points.

cannabineer

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I have no idea about Mexico's history but this came up on a search.
Why did France Spain and England invade Mexico?

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The French intervention in Mexico, initially supported by the United Kingdom and Spain, was a consequence of Mexican President Benito Juárez's imposition of a two-year moratorium of loan-interest payments from July 1861 to French, British, and Spanish creditors.

Invassion? IDK. Not my call and really doesn't matter.
But you seem bored and argumentative. I hope your day gets better.

Bored, yes. I dislike seeing terms of art misused.
 

Lucky Luke

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Bored, yes. I dislike terms of art misused.
At least we all know now that Australia was a nation and lots of countries before the British invaded the continent. Even a great % of Australians don't realize that the continent was full of countries.

Great shame that the oldest living culture on Earth, one that lived in harmony with the land and what it provided was forever changed in that moment.
 

cannabineer

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At least we all know now that Australia was a nation and a lots of countries before the British invaded the continent. Even a great % of Australians don't realize that the continent was full of countries.

Great shame that the oldest living culture on Earth, one that lived in harmony with the land and what it provided was forever changed in that moment.
No; we do not know that! You mean to distort what I posted. Shame on you for that.

Since you could not identify the national seat of pre-British Australia, why the sleight of word? A national entity has a minimum set of properties that pre-Commonwealth Australia does not fully meet.

That is why your glib meme is deceptive.

As for the oldest living culture on Earth, I would not dismiss cetaceans. Orca and dolphin groups have distinct cultures of passed-on technique.
 

Grandpapy

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At least we all know now that Australia was a nation and lots of countries before the British invaded the continent. Even a great % of Australians don't realize that the continent was full of countries.

Great shame that the oldest living culture on Earth, one that lived in harmony with the land and what it provided was forever changed in that moment.
The point being, in western terms a wilderness just like in the US. No one to greet the invaders that spoke the voice for all of the nations.

It is a shame.
 

Lucky Luke

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Lucky Luke

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No; we do not know that! You mean to distort what I posted. Shame on you for that.

Since you could not identify the national seat of pre-British Australia, why the sleight of word? A national entity has a minimum set of properties that pre-Commonwealth Australia does not fully meet.

That is why your glib meme is deceptive.

As for the oldest living culture on Earth, I would not dismiss cetaceans. Orca and dolphin groups have distinct cultures of passed-on technique.
What 4 things make a nation?

A nation is a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory. A nation is thus the collective identity of a group of people understood as defined by those features.

Id say that makes the continent full of countries a nation and nations well before White man. In fact as the oldest living culture on earth its a very special one. But History also suites as does ethnicity, the island continent is also a territory.


Australian Aboriginal culture is the oldest SURVIVING culture on the planet.
This means that it has existed as a CONTINUOUS culture longer than any other LIVING culture.
There have been older cultures - certainly, various African cultures amongst them but they have not survived as continuous cultures to the current day because whether through war, catastrophe, famine, disease, annexation or absorption they were displaced by newer ones.

Indigenous Australians, however, were almost entirely isolated.
They migrated from what is the modern-day Indonesian archipelago between fourty two and seventy thousand years ago depending upon the source hypothesis.
The most broadly accepted theory places their arrival on the Australian mainland around 60 thousand years ago and the lower figure in that range is supported by carbon dated human remains (see: Mongo Woman).

“Civilization” is defined by the development of agriculture and an artisan class.
This means that the abundance of food caused by the advent of agriculture (and the subsequent long term storage of grain) freed many people up to specialize in other areas because they no longer needed to dedicate all their time to hunting and gathering - the upshot being that we got craftsmen, builders, artists, academics ect.

Civilization first appeared between 3000 and 4500 years ago, again depending upon the source hypothesis.

Though it’s a misnomer to view all indigenous cultures as identical (just as you would not view all African or North American tribal cultures as identical) this broadly places ALL of the VARIOUS aboriginal cultures upwards of at least 37.5 thousand years, and most likely approximately 57 thousand years, older than “civilization”.

(All set against the framework of a continent that was already ancient before the Himalayas were thrust up through the earth's mantle.)

And then the British invaded.

http://www.ub.edu/dpfilsa/2ballyn.pdf

 
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cannabineer

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What 4 things make a nation?

A nation is a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory. A nation is thus the collective identity of a group of people understood as defined by those features.

Id say that makes the continent full of countries a nation and nations well before White man. In fact as the oldest living culture on earth its a very special one. But History also suites as does ethnicity, the island continent is also a territory.


Australian Aboriginal culture is the oldest SURVIVING culture on the planet.
This means that it has existed as a CONTINUOUS culture longer than any other LIVING culture.
There have been older cultures - certainly, various African cultures amongst them but they have not survived as continuous cultures to the current day because whether through war, catastrophe, famine, disease, annexation or absorption they were displaced by newer ones.

Indigenous Australians, however, were almost entirely isolated.
They migrated from what is the modern-day Indonesian archipelago between fourty two and seventy thousand years ago depending upon the source hypothesis.
The most broadly accepted theory places their arrival on the Australian mainland around 60 thousand years ago and the lower figure in that range is supported by carbon dated human remains (see: Mongo Woman).

“Civilization” is defined by the development of agriculture and an artisan class.
This means that the abundance of food caused by the advent of agriculture (and the subsequent long term storage of grain) freed many people up to specialize in other areas because they no longer needed to dedicate all their time to hunting and gathering - the upshot being that we got craftsmen, builders, artists, academics ect.

Civilization first appeared between 3000 and 4500 years ago, again depending upon the source hypothesis.

Though it’s a misnomer to view all indigenous cultures as identical (just as you would not view all African or North American tribal cultures as identical) this broadly places ALL of the VARIOUS aboriginal cultures upwards of at least 37.5 thousand years, and most likely approximately 57 thousand years, older than “civilization”.

(All set against the framework of a continent that was already ancient before the Himalayas were thrust up through the earth's mantle.)

And then the British invaded.

http://www.ub.edu/dpfilsa/2ballyn.pdf

I wonder why you neglected one necessary condition of nationality: a seat of and method for administering central rule.
By that criterion old Egypt was a nation. Australia, not so much.

India has hundreds of ethnicities, languages, divergent cultures. But for at least two thousand years there was a central seat of power. It has been a nation since then. Both the Islamic invaders who established the Mughals, and the imperial British after them, recognized India’s nationality, and ultimately sovereignty.

Why did you blow off (!) the cetaceans? They have demonstrated culture in what they teach their young. It requires that most amazing feature of sentience: conveying abstract concepts. They tell stories.

Some corvines do as well. They can remember things as a group that survive several generations of individuals. The Nova episode “Bird Brain” spoke of it.
 
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Lucky Luke

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I wonder why you neglected one necessary condition of nationality: a seat of and method for administering central rule.
By that criterion old Egypt was a nation. Australia, not so much.

India has hundreds of ethnicities, languages, divergent cultures. But for at least two thousand years there was a central seat of power. It has been a nation since then. Both the Islamic invaders who established the Mughals, and the imperial British after them, recognized India’s nationality, and ultimately sovereignty.

Why did you blow off (!) the cetaceans? They have demonstrated culture in what they teach their young. It requires that most amazing feature of sentience: conveying abstract concepts. They tell stories.
I don't think a seat of central rule is a prerequisite of a Nation. Im sure it can be a reason for a Nation but its not a prerequisite. Each country had a group of elders to govern and different mobs came together to settle disputes and other government like functions.

"A nation is a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory. A nation is thus the collective identity of a group of people understood as defined by those feature "

Until of cause the British invaded.

Not blowing them off at all. Im sure some old fungus's etc communicate in ways we dont understand as well.
 
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cannabineer

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I don't think a seat of central rule is a prerequisite of a Nation. Im sure it can be a reason for a Nation but its not a prerequisite. Each country had a group of elders to govern and different mobs came together to settle disputes and other government like functions.

"A nation is a community of people formed on the basis of a combination of shared features such as language, history, ethnicity, culture and/or territory. A nation is thus the collective identity of a group of people understood as defined by those feature "

Until of cause the British invaded.

Not blowing them off at all. Im sure some old fungus's etc communicate in ways we dont understand as well.
“such as”. Not the complete set. No central authority - no nation.
 

Lucky Luke

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“such as”. Not the complete set. No central authority - no nation.
Wonder why the university calls the country the university is situated on a nation for in their Welcome to Country video above? Guess they would know better.

Either way the countries and Nations that made up the landmass of the island continent of what is now known as Australia was invaded by the British. I hope we can at least agree on that...
But i somehow have my doubts..lol
 

cannabineer

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Wonder why the university calls the country the university is situated on a nation for in their Welcome to Country video above? Guess they would know better.

Either way the countries and Nations that made up the landmass of the island continent of what is now known as Australia was invaded by the British. I hope we can at least agree on that...
But i somehow have my doubts..lol
Videos are not admissible references. Did your professors accept such?

I will agree to calling the British event a takeover or appropriation. Invasion implies overcoming a military opposition. Natives of both Americas mounted such. The Maori next door, also. I am not aware of Australian aborigines fielding anything like an army.
 

Lucky Luke

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Seems India was also a Nation.

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Yes, it was a country before Britain came. Where was Columbus to sailing to, if India didn’t exist? Why did he name the natives of America, Indians?
People often confuse the terms country, nation and a state. Country is a geographical term.
Was India a country as defined by a geography? Yes. Greeks and Persians and Arabs and Europeans used it for thousands of years.
India is also a nation as defined by common cultural norms and behaviors. Outsiders recognized common patterns & thus called the people of the nation Hindus. And the insiders too recognized common patterns and called the nation from Kashmir to Kanyakumari as a single cultural unit called the Bharat. The two ends of India - name Kashmir comes from sage Kashyapa and Kanyakumari comes from the goddess Parvati - both important elements of Hinduism. The Pandits of Kashmir chant the exact same Vedas in the exact same order of words as in any other part of India. And across India we revel in Ramayana and Mahabharata. All of these make us a nation.
Has India been a sovereign state - as defined by common political systems - all the time? No. In fact, none of the major countries of today existed as a nation state a few centuries ago. The concept of a nation state is only about 3 centuries old. There have been rise and fall of empires that have ruled a chunk of the country. Sometimes the political union was made and other times it was unmade. That was true for every other civilization. They just differ on how long they have stayed together in political terms.
While country and nation are fairly static entities, a state is a very fluid entity. Even 70 years ago, we didn’t have many parts of present day India as part of the present political union. We added Kashmir, Hyderabad, Junagadh, Manipur, Tripura, Goa and Sikkim to our political union. Just because the union increased in size since 1947, mean that our union changed in character? We added Sikkim only in the 1970s and Siachen glacier in 1980s. Does that mean our state didn’t exist before then?
For most of Indian history, the political union was not very important. The nation was united more by social systems than political systems. Whoever rules at the top has always been skating at the surface.
 

cannabineer

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So a University Video on their own Gov Website is no good..lol.
You crack me up.
No.
Take the monograph, usually written by an academic. Monographs are not peer-reviewed. As a result, off-the-wall stuff that would never survive review ends up in monographs.

Did your professors allow video references for history courses?
 

Lucky Luke

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No.
Take the monograph, usually written by an academic. Monographs are not peer-reviewed. As a result, off-the-wall stuff that would never survive review ends up in monographs.

Did your professors allow video references for history courses?
You have been argumentative today. I'm sure the video was not only peer reviewed but got the OK from the relevant gov departments, legal team and the local mob and the bean counters of cause.
Perhaps contact the university and show them how wrong they are.
You also might want to contact the Australian government as they do a Welcome to Country when they swear in a new Prime minister and opening of the sitting of parliament.
 
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cannabineer

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You have been argumentative today. I'm sure the video was not only peer reviewed but got the OK from the relevant gov departments, legal team and the local mob and the bean counters of cause.
Perhaps contact the university and show them how wrong they are.
You also might want to contact the Australian government as they do a Welcome to Country when they swear in a new Prime minister.
Did your professors allow video as a reference?

If the video was peer-reviewed (a contradiction in terms) in which peer-reviewed journal did it get published? Academic peer review is only done by a select group of full professors in the specialty.

Please use university-standard citation format.
 

Lucky Luke

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Did your professors allow video as a reference?

If the video was peer-reviewed (a contradiction in terms) in which peer-reviewed journal did it get published? Academic peer review is only done by a select group of full professors in the specialty.

Please use university-standard citation format.
This is the Welcome to Country as Parliament sat for the first time under our new Prime Minister.
Goes for about 15mins.
Hope you watch with an open heart and mind. Its entertaining, educational and cultural.
 
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