Police Interactions.

hanimmal

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Jesus fuck. I don't know about that "evil can never be dead enough" comment, but am 100% okay with the mag dump.
Yeah it was overkill (likely), but with your adrenaline kicking at that point going from 1-10 in a split second, I don't know if the last 4 bullets or so are worth kicking up a fuss on that one.

Not with this video, but I have been wondering how much our natural flight/fight, or maybe more accurate, predator/prey responses kick in with cops when they are chasing someone. And how many times that triggers the heavy handed responses from the cops.
 

mooray

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Yeah it was overkill (likely), but with your adrenaline kicking at that point going from 1-10 in a split second, I don't know if the last 4 bullets or so are worth kicking up a fuss on that one.
I wouldn't kick up a fuss, just because there's no ambiguity with the dude's agenda.

Not with this video, but I have been wondering how much our natural flight/fight, or maybe more accurate, predator/prey responses kick in with cops when they are chasing someone. And how many times that triggers the heavy handed responses from the cops.
No doubt that's a factor. We know it's not quite the excuse they wish it were in many situations, but we also have to acknowledge that, in plenty of cases, it's legit.
 

Hiddengems

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Every cop is a criminal.
Without people in uniform willing to enforce unconstitutional laws, every unconstitutional law passed by Congress, or ordered through executive action is a love letter to Santa.
 

mooray

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Looks like an accident, judging by how he immediately points the gun low and away from the guy, then his tone on the "shots fired", like he knew he fucked up.
 

mooray

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Every cop is a criminal.
Without people in uniform willing to enforce unconstitutional laws, every unconstitutional law passed by Congress, or ordered through executive action is a love letter to Santa.
What is the type of society you want, and if you backtest it against significant events over the last 250 years, how does it hold up? Take Rob Roy for example, he thinks taxes should be voluntary, which if we backtest his ideologies, the odds are we'd have been a non-participant in WW1 and WW2, since there's no way we'd have had the military/infrastructure to support our presence. What would the world be like today without a significant US presence in those wars? Probably not good. You have to backtest your ideologies in order to get an idea of how they play out in the future.
 

hanimmal

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https://www.rawstory.com/woodson-terrace-cop/
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A white officer in Missouri allowed his police dog to repeatedly bite a Black suspect who had been pinned against a squad car by two other cops while being arrested this week.

And the incident Monday in the St. Louis suburb of Woodson Terrace, caught on video by a bystander, is being likened to police tactics used against Black protesters during the civil-rights movement.

"The cellphone video shows the dog biting the man's foot as he yells out in pain. The dog's handler holds it by a leash but allows the biting to go on for about 30 seconds," the Associated Press reports. "After the officer pulls off the dog, the man appears to take a step to run but stumbles, and the dog lunges at him again, this time biting a leg for another 30 seconds until the officer stops the animal. Officers then handcuff the man, who seems to be barely able to walk as he is led to a squad car."

According to a news release posted on Facebook by the Woodson Terrace Police Department, the officers encountered the suspect while responding to a report of a person trespassing at a business and refusing to leave. The department said the suspect threatened to kill the officers, claimed to be "a sovereign citizen," appeared to be on drugs, and tried to wander into rush hour traffic, forcing them to block it so he wouldn't get hit.

"The subject was then warned several times that if he did not comply the K9 would be released," the release states. "The subject continued to resist causing minor injuries to one of the officers so the K9 was released and the K9 gained control of the suspect's foot. The suspect went to the ground and the K9 was pulled off the subject. After the K9 was pulled off of the suspect the officers attempted to place the subject into handcuffs but due to the subject being under the influence of drugs he continued to resist and the officers were unable to restrain the subject. The subject got up and attempted to flee from the officers and the K9 was released again biting the suspect on his leg. The officers were able to handcuff the subject and the K9 was pulled off."

After video of the incident sparked outrage online, the St. Louis Post Dispatch's editorial board wrote Tuesday that the officers used the dog "just like Birmingham's infamous public safety chief, Bull Connor, did in the 1960s to deter Blacks from marching for equal rights."

"This incident bears all the hallmarks of cops deciding to issue their personal form of street justice — inflicting pain and punishment on the spot instead of waiting for the courts to do their job," the board wrote.

Meanwhile, police canine expert Michael Gould called the video "problematic," in an interview with the local NBC affiliate.

"The fact of the matter is, it's a human reflex response, you can't have an 80-pound dog puncturing your skin and be compliant. It's virtually impossible," Gould said. "There could be underlying factors that I'm not aware of, but it was disturbing and I would look into it very carefully, why other levels of force would not have been utilized. Based on what I said and saw it looked like the subject was under control."

The AP reported that St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Wesley Bell said in a statement that his office "is aware of this video, and we will make a thorough review of the incident."
 

Rob Roy

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Australia. Pigs using rubbber bullets on unarmed protesters. Australia is a penile colony. It's also a penal colony.

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hanimmal

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SACO, Maine (AP) — Angry over being fired, a former employee slashed the tires of his boss’ vehicle and still held the knife when police officers arrived.

Three officers positioned themselves at a safe distance as the man yelled and ranted. One officer had a stun gun, another a handgun.

The third used the most important tool — a willingness to talk.

Here in a school parking lot in Maine, the emergency was fake, but the strategies were very real. The officers were going through a training course offered by the Police Executive Research Forum that thousands of police officers around the country are receiving this year. Officers are taught: keep a safe distance, slow things down.

The organization based in Washington, D.C., is the foremost policing think tank in the country. Its two-day training now has a long waiting list.

“The most common mistake is rushing a situation that you don’t need to rush,” said Steven Stefanakos of New York City Police Department, who was brought in to help train the officers. “When you compress time and space, it usually does not go the way we want it to go.”

Police department requests for training on how to better deal with the public have skyrocketed since the death of George Floyd and the protests that followed, particularly as calls to defund police rise and cities pass reforms aimed at cracking down on police brutality.

The Police Executive Research Forum’s training effort began five years ago after the shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black man, in Ferguson, Missouri, and has been updated since with fresh techniques. The idea had its genesis in the United Kingdom, where most officers don’t carry handguns, forum director Chuck Wexler said. It’s a mix of classroom training and scenarios played out with actors to give officers time to work through what they’ve learned.

The goal is to take the training to as many of the nation’s 18,000 law enforcement agencies as possible.

New York City announced all 36,500 officers will get the training, and all 35,000 police officers in New Jersey are being trained, as well. Smaller departments are reaching out, and the agency is doing regional sessions. The first regional session was held in late July for officers from 90 police departments in New England, who are then expected to take what they’ve learned back to their departments and train other officers. There was also a session in Colorado. The latest training wrapped up Friday in Tampa.

Police officers are asked to do a lot. They’re asked to be roadside psychologists, family counselors, mental health workers — and even soldiers in an active-shooter event, said Saco Police Chief Jack Clements, whose agency hosted the event in New England.

That’s why it’s important to rehearse.

“Rather than rushing in and winding up in an encounter that’s deadly force, let’s back up, slow down, talk, formulate a plan. Then engage. If it takes an hour to de-escalate this guy, that’s fine. Take the time,” the chief said.

Some officers say the training is already saving lives.

In Texas, a police officer responded to a call for a suicidal woman with a knife a couple of weeks after receiving the training in Harris County. The woman had rammed a vehicle in which her boyfriend was sitting and nearly hit a deputy before fleeing and locking herself in an apartment.

The first deputies on the scene kicked in the door, but Sgt. Pete Smith slowed things down and initiated a conversation when he arrived. Assured that he was there to help, the woman dropped her knife.

Instead of a violent arrest, or worse, she was taken for a mental health evaluation, said Sgt. Jose Gomez, part of the department’s behavioral health training unit, who was responsible for securing the training.

In Saco, the officers spent the first day in the classroom before working through role-playing exercises on the second day. The scenarios focused on the vast majority of encounters with the public where no gun is present, but may involve knives or weapons.

In the tire-slashing scenario, the three officers kept a distance from the man who was displaying a knife. The man was a threat, they said, but not an imminent one as long as he remained at a safe distance. The three of them quickly designated the officer who would do the speaking.

Long minutes dragged by as the officer and assailant talked and commiserated, allowing the focus of the conversation to shift away from the boss. They ended up talking about customizing cars. The man put down his knife.

After the exercise, a police officer from New Haven, Connecticut, said during the debriefing that he kept the “21-foot rule” in mind.

The 21-foot distance is sometimes referred to as the “kill zone.” It’s drilled into officers that at that distance someone armed with a knife, baseball bat or other weapon can quickly close the distance and inflict deadly injuries.

Officers who want to protect themselves and survive to go home at the end of the shift are more likely to use deadly force simply because that’s what they were trained to do once that distance limit is broken.

After listening in on the post-training conversation, Wexler said he was troubled by the results he’s seen from what believes to be an arbitrary rule taught in police training.

“These are what you would call the lawful but awful kinds of shootings,” Wexler said.

Sometimes, he said, winning means backing away to keep a distance, instead of charging into a situation or standing one’s ground. It means taking time to assess and communicate, he said.

Raphael Thornton, who played the role of the knife-wielding assailant, said officers aren’t always sold on textbook training. But, he said, that changes with the role-playing.

“That’s when we really get the buy-in,” said Thornton, who works for the Camden County Police Department in New Jersey. “If we have any naysayers when they leave the classroom, they really buy in when they get out there. They get to put what they learned into action.”
 

hanimmal

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I was thinking that this girl was being all sovereign citizen nut about her license until it turned out that she was riding a bike.


I think that the new trend should really just be people saying two words to cops if they don't feel comfortable. 'Fifth' and 'Lawyer'. And I am not even sure if 5th is relevant to being arrested, but it would get the point across I would think.
 
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