PM on newly rooted clones

compassionateExotic

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I wouldn’t burn sulphur inside ur house that’s fosure, it’s not worth it And like many things tradional can be harmful to you in bloom but also degrade it easily. Why risk and use such when many proactive and safer choices. It’s not like cost is stopping ya

For a veg stage-start Of flower I would suggest using a product like suffoilx or des-x and mix wiyj products listed below aka biofungicides (explained under). apply at 2.5 every gal and make sure ph above 8.0 and mixed last via foliar. These products will work great against broad range of bugs with no resistance issues and per gallon are a great deal. you can apply these with many products just not npk based and used as many times ( just have to wait every 7 days before next spray )


For biofungicides I use regalia both drench and foliar, foliar once every 7 days at 30ml per gal, drench I do it at 15ml/1T a gal every 2-4 weeks. I also mix in southern ag biological fungicide drench @1-3ml every 10 gal (I apply every rez) & same with drench the foliar of SABF 5ml (preventive rate) - 15ml “high risk/infected to molds rate ) , key with regalia drenches to make it effective and less costly Like many tea’s or brews is prefeed/water ur medium firdt to 75%+ and than apply the regalia/SABF tea like many ipm drenches and taht will save ya a bunch and give you same results. Key is full saturated and no cap and gaps in ur drench in that and to prefeed/drench it def will help that aspect.

this method gives ur plant SAR/ISR defenses to surface defense (SABF) . I also use biocontrols for my bugs and I stop doing that if no pest pressure occurred. However for mold prevention and keeping SAR high I use regalia to end.

another tip for regalia I didn’t see anyone mention or company doesn’t either is when u add regalia (for drench applications )to your rez and it bubbles/Aerated it will foam over time. so make sure to use whole brew. I have so many times had like under 10% in rez and told myself no way can it foam to top? that stuff is worse than anything I’ve seen and it won’t even do it for hrs, it’s just happened to me multi times because after first time when it was above 50% full rez it foamed all over floor I thought no way 5-10 gl left on bottom would be tht big of a deal. nope lol
 
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Meast21

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Any residue is going to be slightly acidic.
Started my sulfur burn for 4.5 hours, how long can I enter my 700 sq foot basement after the timer goes off?? I really don't have any windows to open down there is that a problem?

Also I have a small fan turned on down there, should I changed the position of the fan or will the sulfur spread all over the basement anyways??

Also I think I'm barely smelling the sulfur upstairs MAYBE.. Is smelling it bad or just taking in the fumes?
 

Meast21

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I wouldn’t burn sulphur inside ur house that’s fosure, it’s not worth it And like many things tradional can be harmful to you in bloom but also degrade it easily. Why risk and use such when many proactive and safer choices. It’s not like cost is stopping ya

For a veg stage-start Of flower I would suggest using a product like suffoilx or des-x and mix wiyj products listed below aka biofungicides (explained under). apply at 2.5 every gal and make sure ph above 8.0 and mixed last via foliar. These products will work great against broad range of bugs with no resistance issues and per gallon are a great deal. you can apply these with many products just not npk based and used as many times ( just have to wait every 7 days before next spray )


For biofungicides I use regalia both drench and foliar, foliar once every 7 days at 30ml per gal, drench I do it at 15ml/1T a gal every 2-4 weeks. I also mix in southern ag biological fungicide drench @1-3ml every 10 gal (I apply every rez) & same with drench the foliar of SABF 5ml (preventive rate) - 15ml “high risk/infected to molds rate ) , key with regalia drenches to make it effective and less costly Like many tea’s or brews is prefeed/water ur medium firdt to 75%+ and than apply the regalia/SABF tea like many ipm drenches and taht will save ya a bunch and give you same results. Key is full saturated and no cap and gaps in ur drench in that and to prefeed/drench it def will help that aspect.

this method gives ur plant SAR/ISR defenses to surface defense (SABF) . I also use biocontrols for my bugs and I stop doing that if no pest pressure occurred. However for mold prevention and keeping SAR high I use regalia to end.

another tip for regalia I didn’t see anyone mention or company doesn’t either is when u add regalia (for drench applications )to your rez and it bubbles/Aerated it will foam over time. so make sure to use whole brew. I have so many times had like under 10% in rez and told myself no way can it foam to top? that stuff is worse than anything I’ve seen and it won’t even do it for hrs, it’s just happened to me multi times because after first time when it was above 50% full rez it foamed all over floor I thought no way 5-10 gl left on bottom would be tht big of a deal. nope lol
Someone already gave me 2 products to use in veg and the first 15 days of flower that is procrop 1 and regalia and for flower zerotel.
 

hotrodharley

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Started my sulfur burn for 4.5 hours, how long can I enter my 700 sq foot basement after the timer goes off?? I really don't have any windows to open down there is that a problem?

Also I have a small fan turned on down there, should I changed the position of the fan or will the sulfur spread all over the basement anyways??

Also I think I'm barely smelling the sulfur upstairs MAYBE.. Is smelling it bad or just taking in the fumes?
Walk in a couple of hours after it’s finished. If it burns eyes or lungs just back out and wait a while longer. And before the doomsayers freak out I grew up near a huge copper smelter and sulfur dioxide was the main pollutant from it. We walked to and from school every day. It was particularly bad in the morning. Nobody died or was hospitalized.
 

hotrodharley

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Not dying from something doesn't mean it's good for you. It may be worse in an indoor-environment, with increased concentration and RH.
I'm not saying it's dangerous, I'm saying better safe than sorry. Sulfurous acid is bad, especially if you smoke it.
Sulfur dioxide on it's own is not the only problem here.
Do you know anything about chemistry? Because it doesn’t sound like it.
 

hotrodharley

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Sulfur dioxide SO2 when combined with water H20 picks up a free O molecule and becomes H2SO4. Sulfuric acid. I breathed that for 6 years of walking to junior high and high school. I’m 73. Still here. Still smoking. You aren’t going to croak or have a fit or anything else going into a room to check for fume dissipation. Sulfuric acid can definitely be lethal and in this case that’s exactly what we’re aiming for. It will kill all the bugs as well as the powdery mildew.

Again it’s not dangerous to go in a couple of hours after a burn. If it was do you think greenhouses worldwide would be doing it?
 

Obi-Wan

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Do you know anything about chemistry? Because it doesn’t sound like it.
It really isn't good to breath it.

Inhalation
Inhalation is the major route of exposure to sulfur dioxide. The odor threshold is 5 times lower than the OSHA PEL (5 ppm). Most exposures are due to air pollution, and this has both short-term and chronic health consequences for people with lung disease. Inhaled sulfur dioxide readily reacts with the moisture of mucous membranes to form sulfurous acid (H2SO3), which is a severe irritant. People with asthma can experience increased airway resistance with sulfur dioxide concentrations of less than 0.1 ppm when exercising. Healthy adults experience increased airway resistance at 5 ppm, sneezing and coughing at 10 ppm, and bronchospasm at 20 ppm. Respiratory protection is required for exposures at or above 20 ppm. Exposures of 50 to 100 ppm may be tolerated for more than 30 to 60 minutes, but higher or longer exposures can cause death from airway obstruction. Sulfur dioxide is heavier than air; thus, exposure in poorly ventilated, enclosed, or low-lying areas can result in asphyxiation.
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hotrodharley

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It really isn't good to breath it.

Inhalation
Inhalation is the major route of exposure to sulfur dioxide. The odor threshold is 5 times lower than the OSHA PEL (5 ppm). Most exposures are due to air pollution, and this has both short-term and chronic health consequences for people with lung disease. Inhaled sulfur dioxide readily reacts with the moisture of mucous membranes to form sulfurous acid (H2SO3), which is a severe irritant. People with asthma can experience increased airway resistance with sulfur dioxide concentrations of less than 0.1 ppm when exercising. Healthy adults experience increased airway resistance at 5 ppm, sneezing and coughing at 10 ppm, and bronchospasm at 20 ppm. Respiratory protection is required for exposures at or above 20 ppm. Exposures of 50 to 100 ppm may be tolerated for more than 30 to 60 minutes, but higher or longer exposures can cause death from airway obstruction. Sulfur dioxide is heavier than air; thus, exposure in poorly ventilated, enclosed, or low-lying areas can result in asphyxiation.

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Dude, you’re telling someone who actually lived in it. The EPA didn’t exist until I was out of school and no longer walking. But thanks for the information.
 

hotrodharley

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Molar mass of :
SO2 = (1 x 32.06 + 2 x 15.999) = 64.058 g/mol
S = 32.06 g/mol
The balanced reaction:
S + O2 ➡SO2⬆
  1. Moles of Sulphur in 1 g = (mass of Sulphur in g/molar mass of Sulphur in g/mol) = (1 g/32.06 g/mol) = 0.0312 mol
  2. From the balanced equation, the mole ratio of S to SO2 is 1:1.
  3. Therefore, for 0.0312 mol of S, moles of SO2 formed = (1/1) x 0.0312 mol
  4. Thus, the mass of SO2 in 0.0312 mol = (moles of SO2 x molar mass of SO2 in g/mol) = (0.0312 mol x 64.058 g/mol) = 1.999 g or approx. 2.0 g
  5. Next, let there be 1 m^3 of air and convert this 2.0 g of SO2 to mg/m^3 = (2 g x 1000 mg/g) x 1/1000 L = 2 mg/m^3.
  6. Therefore, by formula, the concentration of SO2 in ppm = {24.45 x concentration in mg/m^3}/molar mass of SO2 = (24.45 x 2)/64.058 = 0.76 ppm or approx. 1 ppm
  7. According to NIOSH, the recommended airborne exposure limit (REL) is 2 ppm averaged over a 10-hour workshift and 5 ppm, not to be exceeded during any 15-minute work period.”
 

Treesomewanted77

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I just hope the OP gets this under control since he is selling this produce to folks that trust him to provide them with quality meds. I get it’s not always easy to tackle the root cause but I would think that by time they have spent searching and burning products ya they could have put into fixing environmental and stopping the PM. Hopefully the sulfur works out.
 

hotrodharley

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See that. Another RIU stops posting after committing to a sulfur burn. Nobody listens.
Well if Ripen is correct he’s probably laying dead on the floor. Overwhelmed by a small amount of sulfur being burned. Pray for his soul.
 

Cboat38

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He just needs a good ipm,I had it like three years ago from my outdoor grow then brought clones indoors so started with a light citric acid spray three days later sulfur spray three days later neem spray. I repeated for like two weeks straight and ain’t seen any type of pest since then,of course get your environment in check
 

Meast21

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Not dying from something doesn't mean it's good for you. It may be worse in an indoor-environment, with increased concentration and RH.
I'm not saying it's dangerous, I'm saying better safe than sorry. Sulfurous acid is bad, especially if you smoke it.
Sulfur dioxide on it's own is not the only problem here.
I got a bunch of health issues and my body is life an 80 year old and I'm 40.. I don't want to live more than 25 years and thats pushing it.
 

Meast21

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I just took 6 clones and from mother plants had a small amount of PM on it. This is 24 hours after the sulfur burn... Should the PM white dots have went away or are they just dead and don't disappear??
 

Meast21

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He just needs a good ipm,I had it like three years ago from my outdoor grow then brought clones indoors so started with a light citric acid spray three days later sulfur spray three days later neem spray. I repeated for like two weeks straight and ain’t seen any type of pest since then,of course get your environment in check
Environment is stuck, my basement sucks, this is the first time I had PM in 8 years.... Gonna start spraying my cuttings with either Procrop 1, Regalia, or zerotol? Not sure whats the best for new cuttings.
 

Meast21

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Gonna start spraying my cuttings with either Procrop 1, Regalia, or zerotol? Not sure whats the best for new cuttings.
 
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