PLS HELP!!!!!!!Diesel fem &amnaesia haze auto.is it normal???? .this is my second grow..

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sparkygeek

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It does look like you're starting to get a general deficiency... The plant can't sustain the vegetation it already has from it's root system so it robs energy from the vegetation it needs least... The lower leaves. There are a lot of things that can cause a general deficiency including over-watering, as previously mentioned. (One picture does show some pretty wet coco.) How much water are you giving it?
 
Solaipraveen

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sparkygeek said:
It does look like you're starting to get a general deficiency... The plant can't sustain the vegetation it already has from it's root system so it robs energy from the vegetation it needs least... The lower leaves. There are a lot of things that can cause a general deficiency including over-watering, as previously mentioned. (One picture does show some pretty wet coco.) How much water are you giving it?
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As u guys told i reduced it 250 ml per pot..is it a lot for this plant and pot? And how much shd i water for this plant/pot??any ideas?because my first grow was hydro and it was perfect.so guys pls help me to get through this.thnk u
 
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sparkygeek

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The plants don't seem to be getting worse so you may be going in the right direction... A quarter of a liter seems like a lot to give a small plant in veg... I may give a teaspoon daily to a plant with two sets of leaves. In soil or coco if you consistently overwater the grow medium gets compacted and the roots get stunted... The solution is really simple... Give less water and make the roots grow in search for it... Best of luck!
 
whitebb2727

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sparkygeek said:
The plants don't seem to be getting worse so you may be going in the right direction... A quarter of a liter seems like a lot to give a small plant in veg... I may give a teaspoon daily to a plant with two sets of leaves. In soil or coco if you consistently overwater the grow medium gets compacted and the roots get stunted... The solution is really simple... Give less water and make the roots grow in search for it... Best of luck!
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They are in coco so they can have more water than soil but it is still possible to over water in coco.
 
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sparkygeek

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I don't use runoff to determine whether I am overfeeding so I could be talking out the wrong end. Watering enough to see runoff using too large a pot size for a seedling, I would imagine, would negatively impact the root system because by the time the poor little seedling's roots were big enough to fill the pot, the coco would be too compacted for the roots to break through and expand... Best of luck!
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Not sure if there is a correlation between coco and my net pot flood and drain but I do know with my setup watering cycles in th first week make or break a healthy start. I found that more than two floods in 24 hours will harm the root health and I'll get shitty results. Pretty sure coco would be the same with water cycles being critical. Not saying that's what is wrong with ops plants but I do suspect the roots are quite small and damaged.
 
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Budley Doright said:
Not sure if there is a correlation between coco and my net pot flood and drain but I do know with my setup watering cycles in th first week make or break a healthy start. I found that more than two floods in 24 hours will harm the root health and I'll get shitty results. Pretty sure coco would be the same with water cycles being critical. Not saying that's what is wrong with ops plants but I do suspect the roots are quite small and damaged.
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The thing is that coco holds water. I run pure coco, and on seedlings in party cups I only water once every 3 or so days. When they get to the point that they need water more often then I know the roots are starting to wrap and I up-pot. But since he's running an auto, you want to start in a larger pot... i would say water only when the medium looks dry and the plant seems to be asking for it. IME under watering is better than over watering.
 
Budley Doright

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Xcoregamerskillz said:
The thing is that coco holds water. I run pure coco, and on seedlings in party cups I only water once every 3 or so days. When they get to the point that they need water more often then I know the roots are starting to wrap and I up-pot. But since he's running an auto, you want to start in a larger pot... i would say water only when the medium looks dry and the plant seems to be asking for it. IME under watering is better than over watering.
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But what about the timed drip systems that run a number of waterings in a day with runoff? Pretty sure coco is pretty hard to over water once the roots are established but I have no clue, never ran coco or hempy pots. Just curious is all.
 
Xcoregamerskillz

Xcoregamerskillz

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Budley Doright said:
But what about the timed drip systems that run a number of waterings in a day with runoff? Pretty sure coco is pretty hard to over water once the roots are established but I have no clue, never ran coco or hempy pots. Just curious is all.
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I hand water, so I wouldn't know about drip systems, it's sort of a walk before you can run type thing here. I'm new to indoors. IME, my plants can get droopy if I water too close together, and since I feed every watering, I'll get burn too. Just my .02. Someone better experienced might know better.

This is also the reason I run pure coco. I work at least 50 hours every week, so if I can't check my plants every day I know they'll be ok, in general.
 
Budley Doright

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I actually up pot my auto's without any issues even though I know most say not to. If your careful and don't hurt the roots I don't think it hurts them. I start mine in clone area indoors so final pots have to wait until they go outside.
 
Xcoregamerskillz

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Budley Doright said:
I actually up pot my auto's without any issues even though I know most say not to. If your careful and don't hurt the roots I don't think it hurts them. I start mine in clone area indoors so final pots have to wait until they go outside.
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From what I understand, autos were bred with Ruderalis to produce the auto flowering trait. Ruderalis grows in Siberia in the permafrost and uses the frozen ground as it's trigger to flower. When the roots hit the frozen layer, the plant knows to flower, so I understand that they like to flower when they get rootbound indoors. This is just what I've read, never grown an auto flowering anything before.
 
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Xcoregamerskillz said:
From what I understand, autos were bred with Ruderalis to produce the auto flowering trait. Ruderalis grows in Siberia in the permafrost and uses the frozen ground as it's trigger to flower. When the roots hit the frozen layer, the plant knows to flower, so I understand that they like to flower when they get rootbound indoors. This is just what I've read, never grown an auto flowering anything before.
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Never heard the permafrost thing but the real issue is the speed that they mature and any interruption in that cycle will stunt them. I have grown a few different strains and if I top or damage in any way they yield less than the untouched plants in side by's. I only grow them outdoors so it may be different when grown under lights
 
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Budley Doright said:
Never heard the permafrost thing but the real issue is the speed that they mature and any interruption in that cycle will stunt them. I have grown a few different strains and if I top or damage in any way they yield less than the untouched plants in side by's. I only grow them outdoors so it may be different when grown under lights
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White mentioned the permafrost thing when I first heard it. Ruderalis was first discovered in Russia, IIRC, but it is true that they will autoflower no matter what.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Xcoregamerskillz said:
White mentioned the permafrost thing when I first heard it. Ruderalis was first discovered in Russia, IIRC, but it is true that they will autoflower no matter what.
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Yes thanks, I was aware that they are from Northern Europe but it's the permafrost thing I've never heard about is all. The one thing I do know is the one's I have grown are mostly crap but was pleasantly surprised with a few of the think different plants I grew, two out of 6 were quite good potency wise.
 
Xcoregamerskillz

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Budley Doright said:
Yes thanks, I was aware that they are from Northern Europe but it's the permafrost thing I've never heard about is all. The one thing I do know is the one's I have grown are mostly crap but was pleasantly surprised with a few of the think different plants I grew, two out of 6 were quite good potency wise.
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I've been doing a bit of reading the past couple days on them, it appears that they auto-flower due to environmental factors such as light period, humidity and temperature where they evolved. They developed a fast finish and low thc because of this. So, as a breeder, getting an auto flowering plant with decent levels of THC requires a lot of stabilization and basically "correcting" that trait from ruderalis.
 
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