Budley Doright
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21 days and they haven't fallen off yet 
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PLS HELP!!!!!!!Diesel fem &amnaesia haze auto.is it normal???? .this is my second grow..
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Xcoregamerskillz
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I'd like to know what, exactly your problem is, Bud. All I did was contradict a statement you made about Cotyledon leaves; which, in my, and man others' experience, was incorrect. I even went as far to apologize about the way I made my argument.
All you've done since is continue to be rude, dismissive, and arrogant. I may be new to MJ and indoor growing, but I have 20+ years of growing a plethora of native plants outdoors. All of my experience backs up what I said, and you attacked me because I'm new at potted plants, artificial light, and MJ.
Xcoregamerskillz
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Interesting....21 days and they haven't fallen off yet
So, that's hydroton, right? Is that DWC you're running? I'm wondering if a constant/semi-constant nute uptake is keeping the Cotyledons from being consumed. Do they make it all the way to flower with those?
Budley Doright
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Read my post back a few, you'll see I have the same experience with soil, if they look unhealthy there is an issue, be it be it big or small. It's a flood and drain setup btw. And yes if I keep the plant healthy they stay green for the most part.
Xcoregamerskillz
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That really is interesting to me, and a bit confusing. I know of no other plants that keep their cotyledon leaves into adulthood or flowering, if you will.
For the record, MJ is the only things I've grown indoors, and I'm using COCO. I've grown watermelon, pumpkin (didn't actually get a yield worth anything) peas, carrots, peppers, rhubarb, pansies, violets, marigolds, roses, blueberries (not from seed) and some oak and maple saplings, never had anything keep cotyledon past 2 weeks. This might be worth researching.
Solaipraveen
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Thank you.only once i sprayed... jst for a nice pic.I expect mine to die. They are just there to feed the emerging true leaves until the roots can start supplying nutrients to further growth,
The media he's using doesn't have any nutes at all to start with so it needs something added to feed the plants. Potting soil or something like Fox Farms has lots of basic nutes to start a plant but he's not using anything like that.
@Solaipraveen you shouldn't be spraying the plants. It doesn't help and can cause leaf damage or bring on stem rot or fungus attacks.
Good luck.
Solaipraveen
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Is it hydro??21 days and they haven't fallen off yet
sparkygeek
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I grow in coco and my seedlings don't need fertilizer for at least the first couple of weeks. Putting fertilizer on a newly rooted seedling can cause stress and actually restrict growth. The cotyledon leaves die off first but usually not that early. Best of luck!
Budley Doright
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Yes.
Solaipraveen
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The plant in veg is 5 weeks old.
sparkygeek
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I saw a plant with two sets of leaves, in addition to the cotyledon leaves. If that plant is five weeks old something has damaged the root system. My apologies if you are talking about a different plant. Best of luck!
Budley Doright
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My plants would be dead after a couple of weeks with out nutes in hydro and it's my understanding that coco is basically hydro, with no nutritional value in the media?
Budley Doright
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Yes there are issues with ops grow, I think we can all agree that what we are all seeing is not normal.
Budley Doright
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Again I didn't attack you because your a new grower, I didn't attack you at all. I just tried to point out the fact that after one grow started, you should not be offering any advice, experience sure, but not advice. There is enough of that here on RIU. You are the one that keeps going on and on and is all butt hurt, you've actually admitted that you had issues with water but still try and defend your advice. Then you actually had the balls to say you were talking about all plants on a marijuana thread. I've showed a pic that clearly shows a healthy set after 21 days. Just let it go and add content in the way of experiences, but again, in no way should a person that has not grown a single plant indoors or out be offering grow advice, expessially when it's wrong, you will be called on it here, just my thoughts lol. RUI is not the place for sensitive people lol. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, yes I'm a cranky old man lol.
Xcoregamerskillz
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I'm not butt hurt. I didn't offer advice, read what I said. In no way did I advise a course of action.
sparkygeek
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There is some nutrition in coco or else it would do the same thing as in hydro with plain water. I have stunted seedlings by giving them nutes too early so now I wait two weeks. Most of the action seems to happen in the root system during these two weeks... Very little foliage growth. When I start giving them nutes foliage growth accelerates and healthy growth is achieved. I notice leaves yellowing at the bottom if a plant needs nutes and so far, two weeks with water only works great. (I've made clones over 1 foot tall that go through the same process... No problems.) Best of luck!
Xcoregamerskillz
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Depends on the coir mix. Some are pre charged, some people pre charge their bricks. It's got to do with Cation exchange capacity. Coco holds certain nutes, mainly cal. So extra is needed. When preparing a brick, it has to be soaked to break the Ph buffer it has. There is a whole how to here on just that. Anyway, no, regular coco doesn't have nutrients, it's considered a hydroponic medium, mainly used for drain to waste. It does hold moisture and salts quite well, which is why I like it. You can water it like soil, but it's got the benefit of nutrient availability like hydro. From what I've read it will also hold mycos.
This information is from research as I have not, in fact, assayed any coco coir, pre-or post feedings. It's as accurate as I can recall off hand.
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Budley Doright
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I'll stick to my flood and drain then if they plant doesn't grow for two weeks lol. 
This is exactly 21 days from seed and 12/12 for the last 3 days
This is exactly 21 days from seed and 12/12 for the last 3 dayssparkygeek
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I should have been more specific in my first post... I use pro mix CC (coco coir) with myco. (You did a fine job of explaining why this works for me @Xcoregamerskillz !)
As for the original poster... I think you will get a lot of great advice from knowledgeable people here! There are many reasons why a plant doesn't seem to grow... If you are in soil or coco you aren't able to see the roots... A significant disadvantage since that's usually where the problem is when it comes to seedlings. When I've stifled seedlings in the past, I was able to keep them alive by dialing back the ferts. Over-watering (and many other things) would likely cause similar general nutriciency issues so you will need to do the troubleshooting. Best of luck!
Budley Doright
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Wow just can't let it go can ya lol. You said it was normal and that would suggest OP do nothing so yes it was advice for fuck sakes. Again his plant is not normal and he should try and see if it can be fixed, not ignore it as normal.