PLEASE HELP!!! Which LED should i get?

Lordhooha

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Update:

So I changed my mind on the Growpads and went with 2 Growbars from .solarledalliance. Looks like they're having a holiday sale so decided to grab them and save some money. Thanks again everyone and I'll let you know how it goes!

Lance
Those seem like an awful lot and they have some outrageous claims. I'm slightly worried about they're claim for their lights. No details on the LEDs they use claiming a 104 watt bar is compared to 1000 watt hid!?! I mean that's a bit much. I would be careful with a warranty too from a company that hasn't been in business all that long.
 

MadButcher

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Those seem like an awful lot and they have some outrageous claims. I'm slightly worried about they're claim for their lights. No details on the LEDs they use claiming a 104 watt bar is compared to 1000 watt hid!?! I mean that's a bit much. I would be careful with a warranty too from a company that hasn't been in business all that long.
It does look a tad rich....no doubt
 

Lance517

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So I spent the last couple days digging some more based on the worries you guys expressed. It seems they use Citizen chips, which I hear are some of the very best on the market. Also looks like they've been in the lighting business for a long time, .solarledalliance. is just one of their newer sellers i guess. They seem to be leaders in the commercial side of lighting with customers all over the world and military spec lights according to some press releases i found. So im feeling pretty comfortable now, though you guys had me thinking about cancelling the order :) But ill keep you updated when they arrive and let you know how it goes. Thanks again everyone for your input.

Lance
 

Yodaweed

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Those seem like an awful lot and they have some outrageous claims. I'm slightly worried about they're claim for their lights. No details on the LEDs they use claiming a 104 watt bar is compared to 1000 watt hid!?! I mean that's a bit much. I would be careful with a warranty too from a company that hasn't been in business all that long.
Yikes , that tells me to stay away, even if that light were 200% efficient(the best LEDs are around 60%) it still wouldn't have as much PAR as a 1000w hps.
 

JackSkell

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I recently upgraded one of my flower tents from a 600w apollo hps cooltube setup to 2x P150 Platinum LED units (comparable to 500w HID). Best decision ever. IF your going LED go for Platinum LED or KIND brands. they are expensive but the lower electric cost makes them pay for themselves in a few months tops and no other LEDs will be as good. people talk shit about leds but the honest truth is most of them have never tried led or have only tried a cheap one, you get what you pay for and if you want the good leds that are built for growing and actually do outperform HIDs then you have to spend some good money on them. After seeing the results of this change i plan to grab a P450 unit for my bigger tent. Good luck and happy growing!
 

Freddie Millergogo

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https://www.amazon.com/VIPARSPECTRA-Reflector-Spectrum-Indoor-Plants/dp/B01B4GQ6MO
I have 2 of these in a 2 by 4 tent-very well made and can jumper them with supplied cord (pd. $86@ Amazon per) Run cool and can expand -highly recommend or Mars
How are they in Flower? I know COB LEDs, DIY or top companies, are good but the Chinese burple stuff in Flower is so so at best.

I bought a 600 W Mars hydro and even in veg I am not that impressed. Multiple cheap T8s seem to be better.
 

bobkessel

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Howdy Lance, I called the folks at the solar place and I think they are talking another language. Neat direction. They are thinking outside of the box. Bob
 

bobkessel

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They had some PAR information. Not sure if this helps because it was a test they did on the individual chips they use. The guy said the bar you bought/"GrowBar"? If that is the one you got it has 16 of these? Lance, do you have a picture of the spread their light is making or maybe a shot of the light? I'm curious of the coverage one is going to get from it. I understand getting up close, but I would hope these could cover at least a 4x4 grow area. Their performance warranty is interesting. I would take a density meter reading day one along with a wattage draw reading. Check these every grow to see how they are maintaining the system. You can under drive an LED and then slowly drive it harder as it dies to make up for the light density loss. If they are light loss free as they claim the light density and the wattage draw should remain the same +-10% for meter accuracy. The LEDs on the market I see are all running too hot to stop "droop" from setting in. The makers/industry only test their stuff in lab tests where the air is 5c or 41f. This is where the long life estimates come from and the legal bait and switch game begins. These guys claim to be running and keeping their chips measured at the junction 40-50c? That's really good. The next best LED temp I have seen at the "Tj" or "junction" reading test showed it was running at 105c. Most are 120c. The chips can't be sustained when you run them about 70c or higher. That's the laws of physics. These guys are doing something that makes them run a lot cooler on the LED chip, but how long is that going to last? Thanks, Bob
 

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Mellodrama

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I call bullshit on GreenBoxGrown's picture back there in Post #4. The picture with that tiny blurple Mars Hydro panel hanging over that field of buds is a hoax. My guess is they simply removed the real lights, hung the Mars panel, took the picture, then put everything back the way it was. Don't be fooled. There's a lot of nonsense on this forum.
 

nfhiggs

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I call bullshit on GreenBoxGrown's picture back there in Post #4. The picture with that tiny blurple Mars Hydro panel hanging over that field of buds is a hoax. My guess is they simply removed the real lights, hung the Mars panel, took the picture, then put everything back the way it was. Don't be fooled. There's a lot of nonsense on this forum.
It looked to me like it was an outdoor greenhouse - if that's the case the Mars is nothing compared to the natural light they are getting.
 

MadButcher

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I call bullshit on GreenBoxGrown's picture back there in Post #4. The picture with that tiny blurple Mars Hydro panel hanging over that field of buds is a hoax. My guess is they simply removed the real lights, hung the Mars panel, took the picture, then put everything back the way it was. Don't be fooled. There's a lot of nonsense on this forum.
You call that a field???

Man....anything to discredit people's work here. How pathetic.

I suppose this is fake too?
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Some of us here can manage decent grows without fancy shit.
But you're right....its nonsense.
 

Mellodrama

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Yeah, nfhiggs, I noticed the white light pouring in from all around, and as you say, it looks like a cheap little outdoor greenhouse. I assumed it was still indoors, maybe because of the plywood floor. There's nothing really to indicate that it isn't outdoors. If it is outdoors, the plants would probably be happier without the Mars panels shading the real light.

Madbutcher, I'm not trying to disparage peoples' efforts. This is the Newb Section of the forum. I'm trying to protect someone who's new to this from thinking they're going to get a thicket of buds from two blurple lights that are clearly way too small for the area. It wouldn't matter if those were the latest COBS instead of blurple diodes. The lights aren't physically covering the grow. If that grow had actually run with no illumination except for those two little Mars panels, the outer branches would look way different than they do. They would have died off, or perhaps be really spindly trying to turn the corner and get to some photons. Tell you what, take that picture over to the LED forum and ask about it.

Either a grower trained these plants very carefully, or they were looking up into a much larger light source that covered the grow area uniformly. Probably some of both, but either way, that picture is a hoax.

As an example of protecting newbs from themselves, l have to comment on the marketing for these Growpads or whatever they're called. 104 watts equivalent to 1000W HID??? I'm sorry but that's just impossible. Hang out in the LED thread and you'll see that the consensus seems to be roughly 600W of HIGH-QUALITY LED is comparable to 1K W of HID. 104 W is just a shameless lie.
 

MadButcher

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Yeah, nfhiggs, I noticed the white light pouring in from all around, and as you say, it looks like a cheap little outdoor greenhouse. I assumed it was still indoors, maybe because of the plywood floor. There's nothing really to indicate that it isn't outdoors. If it is outdoors, the plants would probably be happier without the Mars panels shading the real light.

Madbutcher, I'm not trying to disparage peoples' efforts. This is the Newb Section of the forum. I'm trying to protect someone who's new to this from thinking they're going to get a thicket of buds from two blurple lights that are clearly way too small for the area. It wouldn't matter if those were the latest COBS instead of blurple diodes. The lights aren't physically covering the grow. If that grow had actually run with no illumination except for those two little Mars panels, the outer branches would look way different than they do. They would have died off, or perhaps be really spindly trying to turn the corner and get to some photons. Tell you what, take that picture over to the LED forum and ask about it.

Either a grower trained these plants very carefully, or they were looking up into a much larger light source that covered the grow area uniformly. Probably some of both, but either way, that picture is a hoax.

As an example of protecting newbs from themselves, l have to comment on the marketing for these Growpads or whatever they're called. 104 watts equivalent to 1000W HID??? I'm sorry but that's just impossible. Hang out in the LED thread and you'll see that the consensus seems to be roughly 600W of HIGH-QUALITY LED is comparable to 1K W of HID. 104 W is just a shameless lie.
I turn my pots every day cos my light doesn't cover them completely either. Granted, that would be a pain in the ass under a scrog.
 

cuddlesthesheep

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Jesus Christ. So much terrible info in here. Go to the LED forum if you want LED info. Not the newbie central apparently. Don't buy LEDs unless they are COBS!
 
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