Please Help My Bubba Kush!

red.eye.jedi

Active Member
First of all i would like to thank everyone on here for helping and giving thair advice!!
But i have a problem with my bubba kush!!
this is where she lives:
-3x3 veg tent
-400w hps (18/6) using hps as im waiting for mh bulb!
-and only giving her plain water for the last 5 waterings!

I topped her to try and get some light to the lower part of the plant as the fan leaves are quite large! this is a future mother plant!!

These pics were takin in the future flower tent as the light is not as yellow!


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DST

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If I was faced with a plant like that I would firstly give it a feed with some micro nutrients, all the little goodies that helps plants take up nutrients among other things (zinc, copper, magnesium, molybedenum, etc). Then I would give it a light feeding unless your medium already has nutrients in it.



Good luck with getting it sorted..



DST
 

wyteboi

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it is staying too moist and causeing her not to eat. let the pot dry out before watering again. DO NOT FLUSH.





soil
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
let the soil dry & transplant into a bigger potter....if you pop out your rootball youll see alot of roots my guess

let the soil dry out inbetween waterings and water with some N for sure:peace:
 

mouse

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What did you feed it before those 5 waterings ?

What soil is it in ?

Very important questions before you act.

I would say you have locked up the medium causing the osmotic flow to reverse hense it looks like underwatering but in actual fact the plant just can't absorb any nutrients or water because of the balance of salts.

Brown patches on the leaf = first deficiency
Yellowing = second deficiency

Two deficiency's so either its really hungry or you fed it while it had enough food in the soil and screwed the medium.

This is just my best guess and this is just the stoned ramble of a guy who likes to grow good pot. Take it or leave it.

Answer those questions above and I should be able to help :)
 

*BUDS

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Thats right mouse what soil is it in? Maybe poor quality, no nutes, no aeration etc.
 

red.eye.jedi

Active Member
Hi and THANK YOU ALL for posting :bigjoint:

-What did you feed it before those 5 waterings ?
:3ml (per liter) of canna grow

-What soil is it in ?
:its in canna coco coir but have toped with biobizz light mix as roots were showing on top! ( i am not liking coco!!)

Also two of my lemon skunks leaves are curing up, turing brown and falling off! But the uk cheese seems to be doing good!
Could this be due to water as i have been giving them well water until a few days ago?

Thanks again for all your help at rollitup!! ;-)
 

colonuggs

Well-Known Member
Hi and THANK YOU ALL for posting :bigjoint:

-What did you feed it before those 5 waterings ?
:3ml (per liter) of canna grow

-What soil is it in ?
:its in canna coco coir but have toped with biobizz light mix as roots were showing on top! ( i am not liking coco!!)

Also two of my lemon skunks leaves are curing up, turing brown and falling off! But the uk cheese seems to be doing good!
Could this be due to water as i have been giving them well water until a few days ago?

Thanks again for all your help at rollitup!! ;-)
transplant into a bigger potter using sunshine #4 or promix
 

mouse

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If you topped it off with light mix you are going to have knocked the PH of the coco out of whack with what it needs to be.

Light mix = organics ph 6.5 is about optimal
Coco = hydro you want something more like 5.8-6.2

The coco nutrients are made to be used in the coco PH range which is different to that of organic soils.

Your medium's PH is basically too high for your nutrients.

Colonuggs is about right but just to confirm, are you using canna coco grow ? and do you have more coco to repot into ?
 

wyteboi

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it could be but i dont have a prob with well water. some is a lot worse then others though. i think you are just over watering a tad bit. and they are staying too moist.

roots showing on top is a sign of good soil. but it also tells me that the top of your pot is staying moist so what about the bottom of the pot? its probably soaked.

let her dry out.





soil
 

red.eye.jedi

Active Member
Ok i wil try transplanting into bigger pot and stop watering for a few days as the soil is quite moist at the bottom! Also can i repot into biobizz light mix as i dont have any coco? N also my canna nutes are for soil and not for coco! Could this be the problem?

And while you guys are so helpful! I have a pot of gold about a foot tall with lots and lots of new shoots, can i flower this or do i need to do some pruning first? Ask for pics if you want to see the lady ;)
 

^Slanty

Active Member
Ok i wil try transplanting into bigger pot and stop watering for a few days as the soil is quite moist at the bottom!
This would be the reason why your roots were showing at the top of your medium! They were starving for O2! You are way over watering or you have poor drainage/aeration in your medium.
 

wyteboi

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If you topped it off with light mix you are going to have knocked the PH of the coco out of whack with what it needs to be.

Light mix = organics ph 6.5 is about optimal
Coco = hydro you want something more like 5.8-6.2

The coco nutrients are made to be used in the coco PH range which is different to that of organic soils.

Your medium's PH is basically too high for your nutrients.

Colonuggs is about right but just to confirm, are you using canna coco grow ? and do you have more coco to repot into ?
this info is very very undereducated. no offence at all intended mouse but you do not know much about nutrition or how a plant eats.

plant food is plant food , no matter if its MG , advanced , or homemade compost. food is food. some is "instant" an some is organic, but they are both the same when broken down.

second you cant knock the ph of the whole pot off just by top dressing with a lil dirt ? that makes no sense at all.

third the ph of coco is about the same as any good dirt. 5.8-6.8 and its also a buffer so the ph will stay at that range without help. (same as soil)

coco is inert like hydro but its still a "dirt" medium. it needs treated just like dirt. it dont matter if you use organic , synthetic or coco specific foods ,its all the same. as long as the food is between 4.0 an 8.0 the soil/coco is gonna buffer it to what the medium is and all will be fine.

the number one most important thing to worry about is plenty of aeration and drainage.

the second most important thing is plant nutrition.

once you read an suck up knowledge on those two subjects you really cant go wrong. then its just a matter of dialin everything in.






soil
 

mouse

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this info is very very undereducated. no offence at all intended mouse but you do not know much about nutrition or how a plant eats.

plant food is plant food , no matter if its MG , advanced , or homemade compost. food is food. some is "instant" an some is organic, but they are both the same when broken down.

second you cant knock the ph of the whole pot off just by top dressing with a lil dirt ? that makes no sense at all.

third the ph of coco is about the same as any good dirt. 5.8-6.8 and its also a buffer so the ph will stay at that range without help. (same as soil)

coco is inert like hydro but its still a "dirt" medium. it needs treated just like dirt. it dont matter if you use organic , synthetic or coco specific foods ,its all the same. as long as the food is between 4.0 an 8.0 the soil/coco is gonna buffer it to what the medium is and all will be fine.

the number one most important thing to worry about is plenty of aeration and drainage.

the second most important thing is plant nutrition.

once you read an suck up knowledge on those two subjects you really cant go wrong. then its just a matter of dialin everything in.






soil
You said it yourself they are both the same 'When broken down' try adding a standard dose of organics and a strong enzyme product at the same time and see what happens to the plants.

Have you checked the PH of lightmix and taken into consideration that it takes a tiny bit of PH to massively adjust pure water. COCO is an inert medium and it might have buffering capabilities, but putting soil in there is going to raise the ec of the COCO and raise the PH as well. You have to be really careful with these things to ensure success.

PH 8 and 4 will kill beneficial fungi and bacteria, annihilate your microherd completely. Suddenly there is nothing to break down the raw materials in the soil ? Where did you get that info ?

And wait a second ? Where is your actual solution for OP ?

I am just trying to help, and all plant food is not the same, but of course they are the same when broken down there is a very small list of elements that plants require in their diet.

Don't go calling people undereducated ? How do you know what I have studied ? What I have done and what experience I have ?

I almost always state that everything I say is IMO and people should formulate their own opinions. Which this is.

Also where are all your threads giving back to the community and proving your worth ? My garden speaks for itself.

Argue with me, debate with me, fine. Please don't call people undereducated, especially when you do not use correct grammar yourself.

Sorry guys, I don't appreciate that......

OP - I stick with what I said and that's repot into the light mix and see how it goes, the light mix should contain enough food to fix any deficiencies for a week or two and then you can see where your at :)

Yet again this is just the opinion of a guy who likes to grow good pot, take it or leave it :)

Mouse
 

wyteboi

Well-Known Member
If you topped it off with light mix you are going to have knocked the PH of the coco out of whack with what it needs to be.
completely untrue

Light mix = organics ph 6.5 is about optimal
Coco = hydro you want something more like 5.8-6.2
we pretty much agree. except coco is nothing like hydro.

The coco nutrients are made to be used in the coco PH range which is different to that of organic soils.
coco nutes are made for coco, yes. but if you read up on the mediums you are referring to, and plant nutrition then you would know that "coco nutes" are not gonna work any better then synthetic or organic nutes. same goes for any good soil , "coco nutes" , organic and synthetic are pretty much the same if done right. you show me the ingredients of the "coco nutes" that differ from other food that dont say coco on the bottle ?


Your medium's PH is basically too high for your nutrients.
if this is true then his ph is too high for ANY nutes. a plant dont uptake the foods any differently because its coco.

You said it yourself they are both the same 'When broken down' try adding a standard dose of organics and a strong enzyme product at the same time and see what happens to the plants.
i do it every feeding. i dont use a "strong" dose of enzymes though cause its not needed. a small dose is fine.

Have you checked the PH of lightmix and taken into consideration that it takes a tiny bit of PH to massively adjust pure water. COCO is an inert medium and it might have buffering capabilities, but putting soil in there is going to raise the ec of the COCO and raise the PH as well. You have to be really careful with these things to ensure success.
what is a tiny bit of "ph" ?
the word buffering means to buffer ....i think.
dont you "raise the ec of the coco" everytime you feed ?

PH 8 and 4 will kill beneficial fungi and bacteria, annihilate your microherd completely. Suddenly there is nothing to break down the raw materials in the soil ? Where did you get that info ?
"buffering" is in the dictionary.
you have to be A LOT more careless then that to kill the microherd !

And wait a second ? Where is your actual solution for OP ?
are you even reading the thread ?


Don't go calling people undereducated ? How do you know what I have studied ? What I have done and what experience I have ?
I almost always state that everything I say is IMO and people should formulate their own opinions. Which this is.
i didnt call you undereducated , i said your info was. i dont know what you have studied , but your info shows what you have not studied.
i also said no offence , i was hopin you would learn from it.

Also where are all your threads giving back to the community and proving your worth ? My garden speaks for itself.
go look for yourself , i have helped a lot of folks on here. thats all i do. and if im wrong i am quick to admit it. i give way more then i recieve , i got a good heart. my posts an info speaks for itself. i was growing good dope LONG before i knew shit about growing. your garden (unless you post probs) dont mean shit to anyone other then you.
if your good at it , i respect you for that , and i dont need to see your garden , you say it looks good an all you got is your word so i believe you.

Argue with me, debate with me, fine. Please don't call people undereducated, especially when you do not use correct grammar yourself.
i'll debate all day but fuck the arguin. my grammer is very undereducated , thats fine , i admit that. again i never called you nothin.



soil :bigjoint:
 

red.eye.jedi

Active Member
Thanks for all your help! will let it dry out, repot her and give her some N and then will see how she does, But the medium is taking a while to dry out! But will always add perlite in future!

Plus i didnt mean to cause any arguments, so please dont fight :bigjoint:
 
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