Please Help, Beginning of 3rd Weed Veg

tyke1973 said:

My advice would be in future grows and from now on put them straight on to the 600 hps light,i have no idea why you have not done this to start with just have the light about a foot of the plant tops for about a week after they have there first true leaves.Then keep lowering the light untill the light is around 6 ince of the tops,with a ossalating fan blowing across the plant tops.If you would have done the 600 has soon has the true leaves were through then you would have been around a foot tall now prob bigger i veg for 4 week and mine are around 1 1/2 ft tall at the end of week 4.

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... are you posting in the right thread?

missnu said:

I start any and all seeds under a 400w Mh and have never had one get burnt up, or stunted or anything...they grow like awesome!

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I used a 400w HPS and it went really pale and bleached. Though I like to save electricity and seeing as the plants don't need that much light when they are young (as my LED shows anyway : ) so why rinse 400w of electricity for veg when I can do the same job with 90

so you still have a week or 2 left
i would not flush them any more just water with no nutes

tyke sounds like he knows how to grow and has been doing this for years, but this is how to grow a large strain with a large yield in a short time

but its lot harder to get right
you need to know what your plants are doing and if you are helping or stressing the plants out, this will come in time
my 600w mh are 8" above plants and looking very good but some of the other plants could not take high lums

but you could put your 600w hps 8" above the plants and it could fry them, you have to do it over time and see how your plants reacted and if you get it wrong you can lose so much of your final yield
i all way said i will tell you the safe way of doing things
you can still get a good yeild the way you have been growing them, it just takes a bit longer

JASON79 said:

tyke sounds like he knows how to grow and has been doing this for years, but this is how to grow a large strain with a large yield in a short time

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Shame he/she doesn't read before replying though, just puts random posts XD

Any recent pics/updates elliesdaddy?

tyke1973 said:

Dude,the info that you have been listening to is not right,the seedlings once they have there 1st true leaves should be put under the 600 hps.If you would have done this the plants would have been near flowering now.Just have the 600 about a foot of the seedlings when young,when they become used of the light then keep lowering it till its inces of the tops.At 4 week of veg if you feed good nutes the plants should be a foot tall at least.I feed nutes has soon has the seedlings have there first true leaves 1.1 ec just up the ec each week till you end up at 1.4 at week 4 of veg then 1.5 all way through flower.And a oz or two bone dry of a 600 you should pull about 7/10 if you feed right and your room is keyed.dont do to many plants under one light un less your flowering really small i mean around 6 ince

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you make this sound easy to do its not !!
this is Elliesdaddy first grow and leaning about nutes, temp, humidity, ph, room set, watering ect and you have tell elliesdaddy this

if this was his 4th grow + and wanted bigger buds, this would be good for elliesdaddy to know

Matchbox said:

Shame he/she doesn't read before replying though, just puts random posts XD

Any recent pics/updates elliesdaddy?

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like this lol

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/526307-new-beginings.html#post7401178

Doubt i can get any pics up tonight but i will defo give an update at 11

Now i can't find any ambers but i also can't find any clears they are practically all cloudy guess i'll just keep the look out for ambers,
Would i be able to start 10 seeds in rockwool and keep them growing in rockwool for a week or two(including sprouting), so i can start off some plant's while i dry and cure then after they have been cured a bit i can round up the money within a day or two for the water farms, new tent, etc... I just don't want to waste time

Budz have grown well in there 12 hours of darkness!
Will be surprised if there is less than 2 - 3 oz on each of them!
Looking forward to what the next few day's are offering me

Elliesdaddy said:

Budz have grown well in there 12 hours of darkness!
Will be surprised if there is less than 2 - 3 oz on each of them!
Looking forward to what the next few day's are offering me

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Hey Ellies . Its been awhile XD.

Your plants are looking very impressive. I wanted to stop by and thank you for all of the advice you gave me.

My WW x BB grow is in my signature. Should stop by and check it out when you have time. Everything is going excellent, and I am going to flower these out once the runt of the batch grows 3-4 more inches.

The Cocotek is a lot easier than I expected it to be. I never rinsed it and broke it down with my hands (and the MRS. xD), and it wasn't flushed of salts either. Turns out General Hydroponics Cocotek bricks don't need flushing.

Bah I am rambling again. I FIM'ed all of my girls, two were not as low as they should have been but one took it excellently. The third (RUNT) was FIM'ed a few nights ago and is bouncing back greatly.

Hope to talk again soon! And congrats on gorgeous girls.

-Ocho2

P.s. Could you possibly post what height you recommend my 400W light to be above the girls when I trigger flowering and when the buds start arriving? Just stop by my thread, I'd appreciate it !

Ocho2 said:

Hey Ellies . Its been awhile XD.

Your plants are looking very impressive. I wanted to stop by and thank you for all of the advice you gave me.

My WW x BB grow is in my signature. Should stop by and check it out when you have time. Everything is going excellent, and I am going to flower these out once the runt of the batch grows 3-4 more inches.

The Cocotek is a lot easier than I expected it to be. I never rinsed it and broke it down with my hands (and the MRS. xD), and it wasn't flushed of salts either. Turns out General Hydroponics Cocotek bricks don't need flushing.

Bah I am rambling again. I FIM'ed all of my girls, two were not as low as they should have been but one took it excellently. The third (RUNT) was FIM'ed a few nights ago and is bouncing back greatly.

Hope to talk again soon! And congrats on gorgeous girls.

-Ocho2

P.s. Could you possibly post what height you recommend my 400W light to be above the girls when I trigger flowering and when the buds start arriving? Just stop by my thread, I'd appreciate it !

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Thank you mate it's much appreciated i'll drop by now

Elliesdaddy said:

Now i can't find any ambers but i also can't find any clears they are practically all cloudy guess i'll just keep the look out for ambers,
Would i be able to start 10 seeds in rockwool and keep them growing in rockwool for a week or two(including sprouting), so i can start off some plant's while i dry and cure then after they have been cured a bit i can round up the money within a day or two for the water farms, new tent, etc... I just don't want to waste time

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Yep you can put seeds in rockwool, just be careful, I've found that it dries out quite quickly, maybe find a tray and put about 2mm of water in it, then put the cubes in that. You can veg for a good 3-4 weeks in a 3" rockwool cube as the roots get air pruned and properly fill out the cube it's magical lol. Oh and make sure you rinse all the dust off and handle it with gloves, I've made that mistake, after a week it feels like you have thousands of tiny needles in your hands.

I also see your sold on the waterfarms lol

Elliesdaddy said:

My plant's are just beginnning their 3rd week of veg, they are still only about an inch out of the soil with 4 generations.
The posts i see on here say i should veg for 4 weeks (5 including germination) and the plant should be about 1 ft tall then i should start budding to recieve about 2oz bone dry yield per plant but these seem like they are going to take about 2months to get to 1ft in height
They are going to be put under a 600w hps for budding
I have some pics from a week ago if anyone would like to see just ask but i won't have any new ones till possibly tonight

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dude why have you not put them under the 600 has soon has they have there 1st true leaves put them straight under the 600,i never understand why growers veg under low intence lights for veg,this is the time when the plants need the light to get the nodes close they should be around 1 1/2 ft tall now

tyke1973 said:

dude why have you not put them under the 600 has soon has they have there 1st true leaves put them straight under the 600,i never understand why growers veg under low intence lights for veg,this is the time when the plants need the light to get the nodes close they should be around 1 1/2 ft tall now

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Because of the long light cycles it's usually economical/more energy efficient to veg under 'weaker' lights and as far as low intensity lighting is concerned in veg, so long as it is kept a reasonable distance from the plants they perform the same if not better than high wattage lights at a fraction of the cost, minimum distances from the canopy being, CFL's at 2", Fluoro tubes at 1", LED's any amount of inches seems to create the same effect with absolutely no stretching and very tight internodal growth... It's not about Lumens, Lumens are a measurement of brightness to the human eye... my plants don't have eyes...

It's all about PAR (Photosynthetically active radiation, I.e correct light wavelengths for photosynthesis to happen) and as far as lower intensity lights are concerned they have anything from 80-100% PAR which is way more efficient than ANY, HPS or MH bulb, the only difference is penetration (which is solved by keeping the lower powered lights close enough to the plants) but there's pretty much no difference between high wattage lights and low wattage lights in veg.

OH and he's now at the end of flower as said a million times over... this thread started as a help kinda faq type deal and is now elliesdaddy's grow journal.

learn to actually READ through stuff mate!

Thanks for saying it for my matchbox, i don't know what's wrong with this guy?? i'm like 2 views off 7,000 on this thread i'll have to have a big smoke if it reaches 10,000.
All my threads are gone accept this one? don't care much about the others i'm so glad i've kept this one but wth??

And waterfarms i'm still 90percent on it's most probably going to be my choice
Thank's for the info on rockwool it's actually cheap as anything isn't it, i'm going to get 10 seeds just incase i get some bad seeds
Going to get extrema from sannies seeds it's mainly indica i think 20% sativa with a flowering time of 8/9 weeks

And matchbox i know, my loft is filled with insulation i don't think it's rockwool i'll look tonight but when i was growing up there it would cover my feet with tiny bit's of glass and it killed

hi thanks
found your forum
how big is your loft
because it could make a vey good grow room with a bit of work

Matchbox said:

Yep you can put seeds in rockwool, just be careful, I've found that it dries out quite quickly, maybe find a tray and put about 2mm of water in it, then put the cubes in that. You can veg for a good 3-4 weeks in a 3" rockwool cube as the roots get air pruned and properly fill out the cube it's magical lol. Oh and make sure you rinse all the dust off and handle it with gloves, I've made that mistake, after a week it feels like you have thousands of tiny needles in your hands.

I also see your sold on the waterfarms lol

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what do you think about wet kitchen roll with the seeds in placed in a sandwich bag

and stored some where warm and dark
once tap roots are an 1" place in the rock wall

just make a hole in the rock wall cubes so the root can slide in an 1" of the way down (you have to place the cubes in a bucket of water ph to 5.7 for 5-10 mins) be using them

i have alway done it in soil but should work well in rock wall cubes

I kind of started a grow up there in the past
Here's a pic


As ghetto and home made as it can get
This grow was thrown out at just a few weeks old for certain reason's

My current grow was started up there in another ghetto set up but this time with a cfl
but thanks to rollitup i no longer have access to these (y)

The loft is the whole flat, 2 bedroom but a huge flat for 2bed but on top, originally i wanted to put my tent up there but i didn't use my brain and realise it wasn't going to fit in the loft with the wooden A frame so i shoved it in one of the flat's rooms.

I know it may be able to be a good grow room but it has a really good air flow up there which with the weather especially recently will have my plant's in the cold.
Plus the ceiling started to crack only a tiny piece at the edge of my living rooms ceiling from when i was going up there so it's not only going to leave me with cold plant's, it's going to cave in the roof when i don't have home insurance

But yes in the future after this second grow is put into flower i will definitely use it to store a vegging station i'll just have to get a mini vegging tent and put a couple of 50watt heaters in there.


My first ever attempt at growing the one i threw away, i was feeding regularly and 3 weeks of using my hps for 18 hours they still didn't have any nodes? i don't know why up there was so slack any ideas?

By it didn't have any nodes i mean it had 2 leaves and the baby ones and the 2 leaves were tiny reaching about a cm big! this may be the same as this grow though, just needed nutrients but i got a better performance from a cfl in the tent with no nutes than the hps in the loft with no nutes