Please help ASAP. Tried everything I could think of. WTF?!?

also..set your water ph to anything between 5.2 and 5.6 to start

don't adjust it again until its above 6.2

hey dude.. i really appreciate your help
i may just try this
but i have been dealing with BMO for about a year trying different levels and keep thinking ok this grow it's going to work. never does lmao. time to quick fucking around with this stupid shit. i have onlly been trying it bc i dont want to get a major corporation nutrient line but... think of the weight ive lost in all this time fucking with them

BTW the PH doesnt fluctuate one bit with this stuff. if it set it to 5.8 7 days later.. still at 5.8

SonOfGod7 said:

BTW the PH doesnt fluctuate one bit with this stuff. if it set it to 5.8 7 days later.. still at 5.8

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theres nothing wrong with what the formula I proposed has to offer

personally I feed on the lite side.. I would personally be fine with using it at 4ml to 5ml max per gallon

Im sure youll be much happier
seriously
try it at the amount I said youll be happy

SonOfGod7 said:

BTW the PH doesnt fluctuate one bit with this stuff. if it set it to 5.8 7 days later.. still at 5.8

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your ph isn't rising because your feeding too much

ph is suppose to rise gradually, that's a good thing

ph rises super fast - feed more nutes
ph rises slow - your in the sweet spot
ph doesn't rise you might be over feeding

word brotha maybe that will save me a trip and some money
like i said before i had done this run successfully back when I lived in another city a few years ago and no probs.. thought i was only running it at regular but maybe Sour Diesels just eat up a lot of nutes

Why are you running organic nutes?

SonOfGod7 said:

more pics..
I have a PPM meter and I could use it if you want but.. I was told from the company BMO that a PPM meter would be of little use with these living 'organic' ingredients

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Ah yeah didn't realise BMO is organic, you might just need a different set of nutes as its hard to feed heavy with organics in a res and if you do, you usually end up with stability & ph problems if its not made for hydro.

Ppm meter wont work with that either, you're right. Buy some dirt or change nutes, it requires some skill to use organic nutes in a res and not all organic derrived nutes will work without fucking shit up over time

SonOfGod7 said:

As far as the PPM.. inside the package of nutrients it says "A TDS/PPM METER WILL BE OF LITTLE USE TO YOU FOR THESE NUTRIENTS. THEY ARE LIVING AND ORGANIC AND WILL NOT CONDUCT blablabla TO BE MEASURED ON A TDS/PPM METER"

Looks like you gave bad advice again. Take a look at yourself bud before you go around judging like a dumbass

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i cannot offer advice on your current grow, however, all i'd have to say is if you want to go with "living organics" you'll need to grow in soil, using living soil.
ppms, ph, flushing, etc, all those are a fools errand in a true living soil, but that's not really what you are doing
i'd also have inquiries on how much "living nutrients" you actually are getting in a sealed bottle.

greasemonkeymann said:

i cannot offer advice on your current grow, however, all i'd have to say is if you want to go with "living organics" you'll need to grow in soil, using living soil.
ppms, ph, flushing, etc, all those are a fools errand in a true living soil, but that's not really what you are doing
i'd also have inquiries on how much "living nutrients" you actually are getting in a sealed bottle.

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i do not use organic fertilizers in hydro myself

organic materials work in organic soils..... some still try it in sterile medium.. i do not

but if you look at even the advanced nute line (its not all organic but part)they combine organic stuff into the formula using aminos and kelp which only breed bad bacteria in inorganic mediums
hell look at the GH floranova... its got organic stuff in it also

i agree you should switch
i hadn't considered that advise based on the organic issues... i haven't actually tried organic hydro.. it would clogg my drip emitters

im4satori said:

i do not use organic fertilizers in hydro myself

organic materials work in organic soils..... some still try it in sterile medium.. i do not

but if you look at even the advanced nute line (its not all organic but part)they combine organic stuff into the formula using aminos and kelp which only breed bad bacteria in inorganic mediums
hell look at the GH floranova... its got organic stuff in it also

i agree you should switch
i hadn't considered that advise based on the organic issues... i haven't actually tried organic hydro.. it would clogg my drip emitters

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Organic in hydro works, but it requires bennies. Even so, I run nutrient salts with bennies in hydro and have fantastic results - the only organic input being BioAG fulvic acid.

Johnny Lawrence said:

Organic in hydro works, but it requires bennies. Even so, I run nutrient salts with bennies in hydro and have fantastic results - the only organic input being BioAG fulvic acid.

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not sure what the purpose of organic nutrients in a chelated hydro grow are though
if its as a chelated salt it's already useable to the plant, so the microbial diversity is superfluous
i'm not saying what you are doing is wrong, just saying i'm not sure the purpose of it all

greasemonkeymann said:

not sure what the purpose of organic nutrients in a chelated hydro grow are though
if its as a chelated salt it's already useable to the plant, so the microbial diversity is superfluous
i'm not saying what you are doing is wrong, just saying i'm not sure the purpose of it all

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Root rot.

Sterile works, but I never had success with H202. I had success with chlorine and/or Zone, but you can't use either with fulvic - it creates a carinogenic off gas.

Running bennies with chelated nutrients gives me giant bright white afros for root balls. I make no attempt to keep the micro herd alive though - just top water them in at every res change.

Johnny Lawrence said:

Root rot.

Sterile works, but I never had success with H202. I had success with chlorine and/or Zone, but you can't use either with fulvic - it creates a carinogenic off gas.

Running bennies with chelated nutrients gives me giant bright white afros for root balls. I make no attempt to keep the micro herd alive though - just top water them in at every res change.

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ahhh, I see!
Gotcha
I misunderstood your purpose on that
I was thinking you were using them to chelate your organic nutrients

Johnny Lawrence said:

Root rot.

Sterile works, but I never had success with H202. I had success with chlorine and/or Zone, but you can't use either with fulvic - it creates a carinogenic off gas.

Running bennies with chelated nutrients gives me giant bright white afros for root balls. I make no attempt to keep the micro herd alive though - just top water them in at every res change.

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I actually find these adding any organics... kelp, aminos, fulvic adds to the potential for root disease
unless your in soil or coco bennies wont flourish and therefore the BB doesn't put the bad bacteria in check only adding to your root issues

Johnny Lawrence said:

Root rot.

Sterile works, but I never had success with H202. I had success with chlorine and/or Zone, but you can't use either with fulvic - it creates a carinogenic off gas.

Running bennies with chelated nutrients gives me giant bright white afros for root balls. I make no attempt to keep the micro herd alive though - just top water them in at every res change.

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johny
I think what your seeing is a result of the hormones that give your plants a quick response to root. but that doesn't mean your roots aren't being affected negatively over all in the long run....

I stopped making the organic argument in hydro cuz to many peeps are saying its ok.. but I don't have the same experience

its easy to see in the res.

using only inorganic nutes in your res at the end of a week itll still look clean

using organic for a week the tub is covered in scum and the pump clogging or prefilter clogging

im4satori said:

I actually find these adding any organics... kelp, aminos, fulvic adds to the potential for root disease
unless your in soil or coco bennies wont flourish and therefore the BB doesn't put the bad bacteria in check only adding to your root issues

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I disagree, and so do my bright white root afros. There have been university studies that show that bennies do just fine in rockwool. They even survive halfway decent in expanded clay. They thrive better in coco, yeah, but they do alright in rockwool. I don't expect them to necessarily flourish. That's why I add them every week now. I run ebb & flow, but top water them by hand at every weekly res change. I have the craziest, whitest, healthiest root balls ever. And trust me, I've done teas, zone, SM, sterile, etc.

The only thing I haven't tried is colloidal silver. That's next on my experiment list - I've heard/read good things.

im4satori said:

I stopped making the organic argument in hydro cuz to many peeps are saying its ok.. but I don't have the same experience

its easy to see in the res.

using only inorganic nutes in your res at the end of a week itll still look clean

using organic for a week the tub is covered in scum and the pump clogging or prefilter clogging

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I don't have a problem using fulvic. And I run trace amounts of kelp during veg without issues. Sugars are an effing nightmare and always gave me problems. Same with products like floralicious or that karma whatever stuff from botanicare - problems. Fulvic is so clean though. And with running bennies, my whole system is always clean - res changes are breezy.

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