Playing with BHO and IWE

vacpurge

vacpurge

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Twitch. said:
i have only had to do the 36 hour thing once, usually i can do it in 12 now, and when i do it i do run the pump continuously. there are others on here that cant run it 24/7 so they will get a full vac and leave it for a little bit then come back and re-vac it. the reason being the bho on the inside is off gassing so it is constantly changing the pressure in the vac chamber and yes make sure the heat is on too. the thermometer really helps so you know what the surface temp of the bottom of your vac chamber is.
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stick one of these IN your chamber and it takes alll the guess work from the thermometer: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CDN-ProAccurate-Probe-Thermometer-/261247420520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd38f4868


also, I dont think the oil puts out any significant gasses to effect vacuum after the initian muffining is done, not any that are worth running the pump all day and all night at least. pull to a full vacuum, then turn your pump off. IMO, its not worth letting it run just to remove what the BHO has degassed, which probably really isnt much. not enough to make the needle on the gauge even move slightly. it goes from like a 99.9% vacuum, to like a 99.5% vacuum after de gassing probably.... I wouldnt worry.

maybe turn the pump on every few hours. crack the valve open... let the pump suck on the chamber for a few second, just to remove any possible de gassing, and turn it back off. your electricity bill, neighbors, and pump seals will thank you!
 
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adam soza

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OK, I just got muffin and have it under full vac, on the heat, without the pump running. Now what? I'm looking for wax, not shatter.
 
Twitch

Twitch

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vacpurge said:
stick one of these IN your chamber and it takes alll the guess work from the thermometer: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CDN-ProAccurate-Probe-Thermometer-/261247420520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd38f4868


also, I dont think the oil puts out any significant gasses to effect vacuum after the initian muffining is done, not any that are worth running the pump all day and all night at least. pull to a full vacuum, then turn your pump off. IMO, its not worth letting it run just to remove what the BHO has degassed, which probably really isnt much. not enough to make the needle on the gauge even move slightly. it goes from like a 99.9% vacuum, to like a 99.5% vacuum after de gassing probably.... I wouldnt worry.

maybe turn the pump on every few hours. crack the valve open... let the pump suck on the chamber for a few second, just to remove any possible de gassing, and turn it back off. your electricity bill, neighbors, and pump seals will thank you!
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like i said some people cant run it all the time so they do this, didnt you have some stuff sitting while you went on vacation and it still didnt wax?

the thermometer you suggested is good for finding out the air temp in the chamber not the oil temp, the bottom will have a different temp then the air and the oil
 
Twitch

Twitch

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adam soza said:
OK, I just got muffin and have it under full vac, on the heat, without the pump running. Now what? I'm looking for wax, not shatter.
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has the muffin deflated when it gets close to full vac it should deflate if you have the temp right, it will look like shatter for a while when it sit there and boils, do you have any pics?
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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adam soza said:
OK, I just got muffin and have it under full vac, on the heat, without the pump running. Now what? I'm looking for wax, not shatter.
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no I believe it had waxed already before I went on vacation... it was waxed around day 6 or 7. by the time I got home on day 13, it hadnt changed much. otherwise it did wax up, everything will if you hold it long enough in the chamber, which is also adams answer.... TIME.

it will either wax up if its fresh, strain dependant, or if youve added major amounts of kief to your mix (is what ive found)... if it wont wax up quickly... just keep it in the chamber, even if it takes a week, it WILL wax up. but it WILL also lose some of its flavor, and become very very fuckin hard to get on the dabber!

Twitch. said:
like i said some people cant run it all the time so they do this, didnt you have some stuff sitting while you went on vacation and it still didnt wax?

the thermometer you suggested is good for finding out the air temp in the chamber not the oil temp, the bottom will have a different temp then the air and the oil
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that thermometer is PERFECT for finding the exact temperature of the oil... what does it have to do with air temp?? I put the probe IN the vac it pro on the bottom, and UNDER the oil. so I am getting a very very accurate result, much more accurate that pointing the gun to the griddle, and doing guess work, or pointing the laser to the underside of the chamber, which is still off by 5 or so degrees ive found.
 
Twitch

Twitch

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dude the ir gun is really accurate, i promise my gun is more accurate then the temp thingy

and yes the answer is time, but my time period seems to be shorter then yours. not trying to sound like a dick, but the proof in in the pudding or wax in this case
 
Kase

Kase

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Alright so this batch is looking amazing... can't wait to show you guys ;) Pics tonight or tomorrow eve at latest.
 
sfcc892007

sfcc892007

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Those seem like extremely long purge times. I've found if you can manage to not agitate your oil at all, then the purging process is much quicker. I prefer shatter because of the clarity. I blast onto a heated surface ( 100-115degrees) so the butane evaporates quickly, then straight to the vac. No scraping. Scraping just traps butane and prolongs the purging process sognificantly. Just purge out to shatter, keeping your temps under 115, then when fully purged, increase the temps to 130 and it will wax up.
I use a portable induction cooktop under my vac chamber with programmable temps but I'm always worried about waxing up so my pump runs in 15min intervals while I check the temps between purges. Seems tedious but I'd shoot myself purging for a full day.
 
sfcc892007

sfcc892007

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The more butane you use the longer it will take as we'll. You don't need all that tane. Pack your tubes tight and even. Ill use less than half a can on an oz. I also put my butane in the freezer. :shock:
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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Twitch. said:
dude the ir gun is really accurate, i promise my gun is more accurate then the temp thingy

and yes the answer is time, but my time period seems to be shorter then yours. not trying to sound like a dick, but the proof in in the pudding or wax in this case
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I think your time is shorter because your material is fresher. im not too sure what makes it wax... I made some with 7g bud and 7g kief and it waxed up in 12 hours, even though the kief came off shake that was 6+ months old. I think its all strain/age dependent. maybe im using too much butane? who knows. its not all about wax though... wax in a very controversial subject in the concentrate world. some love it (mostly noobs) and some love it (mostly the experienced guys)... kinda funny how that works eh? either way, it gets ME fucking stoned and im no lightweight, and my buddies.. well lets just say that one woke up this morning and said he was STILL high!!

I got an IR gun too. its close to what the cdn probe thing says, but theyre usually 3-5 degrees difference... difference being that the CDN probe one is more accurate as its been sitting DIRECTLY under my oil for a few days, whereas my IR gun (and im sure yours too) numbers jump around... it shows a new number every .5 seconds and its only off by a few degrees. for th 17$ that the cdn probe costs, its well worth it to throw it under your parchment paper and in the chamber so you got on the go, accurate numbers being shown... not pointing the IR gun at diff spots and getting slightly different readings. doesnt it get annoying grabbing the IR gun, pointing and shooting at ten diff spots to get an average, then - or + a few degrees to try to estimate the oil temp???

the cdn probe measures the temp of the oil directly.

your ir gun measures the chamber temp right? in theory, the oil and chamber should be the same temp. but how do you know for sure, unless you got both!!! which I got, and they def give 2 different readings.
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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sfcc892007 said:
The more butane you use the longer it will take as we'll. You don't need all that tane. Pack your tubes tight and even. Ill use less than half a can on an oz. I also put my butane in the freezer. :shock:
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there we go, theres the answer. I believe thats been my problem the whole time... cant wait to get home and experiment!!!

I also put the tane in the freezer... liquid is better than gaseous butane IMO. firstly, when blasting, id rather it stay in liquid form until im ready to evap it, I dont like breathing butane fumes as they evap while spraying, AND not to mention the higher chance of fire if its starting to evap. I also find that room temp butane makes more pressure in the tube. cold butane FTW!!

less than half a can per oz is nuts though... last batch i ran I used 2.5 cans for a half oz!!!!! the 2nd can was still coming out golden and sticky.

the old man that taught me 5 years ago used 3 cans per half oz... 15 min water purge, scrape, and smoke it all that night. 14g of bud turned into 3g of oil turned into smoke. 1 night. lots of butane left... crazy. he now has stomach problems.
 
Twitch

Twitch

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vacpurge said:
I think your time is shorter because your material is fresher. im not too sure what makes it wax... I made some with 7g bud and 7g kief and it waxed up in 12 hours, even though the kief came off shake that was 6+ months old. I think its all strain/age dependent. maybe im using too much butane? who knows. its not all about wax though... wax in a very controversial subject in the concentrate world. some love it (mostly noobs) and some love it (mostly the experienced guys)... kinda funny how that works eh? either way, it gets ME fucking stoned and im no lightweight, and my buddies.. well lets just say that one woke up this morning and said he was STILL high!!

I got an IR gun too. its close to what the cdn probe thing says, but theyre usually 3-5 degrees difference... difference being that the CDN probe one is more accurate as its been sitting DIRECTLY under my oil for a few days, whereas my IR gun (and im sure yours too) numbers jump around... it shows a new number every .5 seconds and its only off by a few degrees. for th 17$ that the cdn probe costs, its well worth it to throw it under your parchment paper and in the chamber so you got on the go, accurate numbers being shown... not pointing the IR gun at diff spots and getting slightly different readings. doesnt it get annoying grabbing the IR gun, pointing and shooting at ten diff spots to get an average, then - or + a few degrees to try to estimate the oil temp???

the cdn probe measures the temp of the oil directly.

your ir gun measures the chamber temp right? in theory, the oil and chamber should be the same temp. but how do you know for sure, unless you got both!!! which I got, and they def give 2 different readings.
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no my gun goes to the .0 and yes it fluctuates when going over different spots, i have used i temp probe inside i have also used a regular and digital thermometer inside my chamber the most accurate and can tell me what a temp is immediately is the ir gun

to each his own
 
aknight3

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that bho looks really beautiful, alot of times people make shit and its comes out golden- light brown, u can tell that shit is nice and dark, like you said almost red, must have some beaitful amber trichs in that bho, i commend you my good sir, i absolutley love my bho and my weed to have amber trichs, especially indicas that i personally NEED for sleep, without cbd and/or cbn i would be fucked for sleep, luckily i am good wit harvesting to get my desired results.


It annoys me how many say that once a trichome has ambered that it is much less potent, IMO this is just untrue and biased. eveyone likes there marijuana differently. and while amber trichomes might not contain the most thc or has more degraded thc than clear/cloudy or milky trichs, PERSONALLY I enjoy bud that had alot of amber trichs.... again, the medical ability in more prevelant and noticable IME. not saying that i dont like cloud trichs either, i do like some of that type of bud for daytime smoking weed or work-weed ( bud that you can smoke and still be functional and get good work done) but when it comes to sleep time, nothing beats a nice indica or indica hybrid with 50% amber trichs, it really brings out the sleep qualities or 'side effect' (IMO a great side-effect)of the particular strain, anyway, sorry about the novel! i just wanted to say great great great looking BHO and offer my opinion, thanks for listening/reading if you got this far, if not thats OK to:peace:
 
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adam soza

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Blasting a run today of about 60-90gms and will be experimenting with the heat this time around. I don't have a vac it pro so no metal on metal so I'm forced to use a hot water bath on my dessicator (it's the old school one you see in a lot of youtube videos). With the hot water bath, I noticed that I have to crank the griddle up to 380 or so just to even try to get 100 plus in the chamber. I need one of those guns. Can I pick that up at a regular hardware store Twitch? If so, what do they run? Thanks in advance for any help in getting me to achieve waxxxxx!!!
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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lol 70$ vs 17$ for the probe you stick in the chamber under the oil. also, good luck with the temp gun if youre using water. a griddle is one thing, but water is another story.
 
Twitch

Twitch

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lol i got it hat harbor freight for 35 bucks, lmao your probe was meant to go in a turkey, my gun was meant to check the air temp of a vents you cant reach so that ac guys can have an accurate reading of the air temp. if your temp probe was superior they would use that. i am sorry VP there is no argument that you can make that will show that the probe is better.

i am sorry dude we can sit here and argue till are fingers are bruised but the gun is bad ass
 
vacpurge

vacpurge

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no doubt that the gun is accurate, but if youre not pointing it directly at the oil, whats the point??? its like youre being accurately wrong. youre getting an air reading of the air IN the chamber?? no.. unless the oil has been sitting in the chamber for a very long time and has achieved the same heat as the chamber, and youve slowly slowly worked your way up over a period of a day or so, your temp reading of the outside of the chamber wall, or griddle, means nothing. I (we?) want the instant temp of the oil... not the griddle/chamber. now, the temp of the chamber and oil could be close if its sat enough, but its still a guessing game. too many variables with the temp gun for me, I dont even use mine anymore, if you got any air movement, or a hotter or colder room than normal due to rain or season change or whatever plus theyre inaccurate to 1 degree per every foot, and constantly fluctuating.. the probe stays put, easy to read, no fucking around, and is right directly in the center of the action.. sometimes it takes 6 hours for my vac it pro SS chamber to completely even out heat with the chamber and everything else.
 
Kase

Kase

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So winterized oil is done, really really excellent! So much so that I ordered the stuff to make a little vac chamber :) figured ya guys would be proud. Will get some pics of the newest batch up in the morning. My new bigger tube was also delivered today, so I can do 2 cans in 1 tube.
 
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