Plants have consciousness

Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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hillbill said:
Sounds a little fundamentalist to me. Not Baptist Fundamentalism but the acceptance of unprovable theories and beliefs, none the less.
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Yeah consciousnesses didn’t enter matter it’s a belief of mine xD

You either get it or you don’t. No harm in that.

You might be interested in DMT - the spirit molecule. Touches on how the soul enters matter using DMT.

Our two biggest doses of DMT are a few weeks after conception (when the soul enters the body) and right at the moment we die.

Life essentially is one big trip.

@insomnia65

Me too. I hate typing this shite out on a phone. Takes me several attempts to write what I want to say lol
 
Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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insomnia65 said:
Was thinking of maybe having some DMT,. I tripped when I was a teenager im a lot older now and wary.
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Its actually released in our sleep in smaller doses we dream. As dreams are essential a trip.

Id love to try some but got no contacts. We did have some but didn’t work - think we didn’t burn it hot enough or too hot I dunno lol

All I know is that environment is critical to a good or bad trip, find a safe spot in nature and that’s where the best trips happen ime
 
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Gaussamer

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Animate cell collections do not constitute consciousness. Consciousness requires awareness of self, not simply the trait of being reactive to the environment.
 
green_machine_two9er

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PadawanWarrior said:
Could be that they know I have their babies vegging that will keep their genetics alive so they want to keep me happy.
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More like the collective consciousness of the cannabis working to keep us cultivating it. It wants to grow and since it’s an annual plant it knows it’s doomed anyway. So why not develop cannabinoids that mammals have receptors for.
 
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Nutty sKunK

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Gaussamer said:
Animate cell collections do not constitute consciousness. Consciousness requires awareness of self, not simply the trait of being reactive to the environment.
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No it does not. Consciousness does not need awareness of self to be present, quite the opposite, unless you classify animals as having no consciousness.

Self-Consciousness is a human trait. It’s simply awareness recognising itself - like a mirror.
 
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Animals have consciousness, of which there are certainly degrees, but canines for instance are very self-aware due to their highly social nature. Plants are not self-aware, they process no information and act strictly reactively to their environment. Consciousness is how far you can "see down the road" inside of yourself and use that to comprehend your place within reality to effect changes or process further information. A gigantic side effect of this is the unending quest for certainty and affirmation of your place within your reality, it's why we need to be seen and heard by other humans who also have a linear perspective of consciousness. It ratifies our own understanding of ourselves. Plants, crystals, amoeba are incapable of anything other than being a product of their environment. Their entire existence is condition IF/THEN/ELSE and there is no indication of plants ever indicating a condition WHAT IF/WHAT THEN/WHAT ELSE. That is consciousness, and it does inseparably require an attentional factor of the self to degrees.
 
Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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Gaussamer said:
Animals have consciousness, of which there are certainly degrees, but canines for instance are very self-aware due to their highly social nature. Plants are not self-aware, they process no information and act strictly reactively to their environment. Consciousness is how far you can "see down the road" inside of yourself and use that to comprehend your place within reality to effect changes or process further information. A gigantic side effect of this is the unending quest for certainty and affirmation of your place within your reality, it's why we need to be seen and heard by other humans who also have a linear perspective of consciousness. It ratifies our own understanding of ourselves. Plants, crystals, amoeba are incapable of anything other than being a product of their environment. Their entire existence is condition IF/THEN/ELSE and there is no indication of plants ever indicating a condition WHAT IF/WHAT THEN/WHAT ELSE. That is consciousness, and it does inseparably require an attentional factor of the self to degrees.
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Canines only appear to be self aware becomes of humans making them feel self aware. Wolfs are not self aware - they react.

Consciousness is not how far you can see down the road, that’s instinct.

Consciousness is the invisible window reading these words supporting all other forms of life.

A shrimp has consciousness and instinct. Both are implicit in one another. Out of instinct our sense of self has been established.
 
insomnia65

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Nutty sKunK said:
Its actually released in our sleep in smaller doses we dream. As dreams are essential a trip.

Id love to try some but got no contacts. We did have some but didn’t work - think we didn’t burn it hot enough or too hot I dunno lol

All I know is that environment is critical to a good or bad trip, find a safe spot in nature and that’s where the best trips happen ime
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Nutty sKunK said:
Canines only appear to be self aware becomes of humans making them feel self aware. Wolfs are not self aware - they react.

Consciousness is not how far you can see down the road, that’s instinct.

Consciousness is the invisible window reading these words supporting all other forms of life.

A shrimp has consciousness and instinct. Both are implicit in one another. Out of instinct our sense of self has been established.
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In your opinion.
 
Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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Gaussamer said:
So how long have you been living with schizophrenia?
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Well what a constructive way to keep the conversation going.

Nobody here has responded to the fact of how consciousness entered matter.

And you don’t even respond intelligently when I demonstrate how consciousness doesn’t need self.

You call me schizophrenic? That’s rich. 99.99% of humanity is insane. How?

Try to stop thinking. You can’t. Maybe a few seconds but pop, another thought comes in. Can’t stop it can you? So are you really in control of your thoughts or are they in control of you?

An intelligent person would recognise this
 
green_machine_two9er

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Nutty sKunK said:
Well what a constructive way to keep the conversation going.

Nobody here has responded to the fact of how consciousness entered matter.

And you don’t even respond intelligently when I demonstrate how consciousness doesn’t need self.

You call me schizophrenic? That’s rich. 99.99% of humanity is insane. How?

Try to stop thinking. You can’t. Maybe a few seconds but pop, another thought comes in. Can’t stop it can you? So are you really in control of your thoughts or are they in control of you?

An intelligent person would recognise this
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Hey I’m with ya here. Being that matter seems to be influenced or even manifested by consciousness. It makes since to me that all the stuff needs the “spirit” or consciousness or awareness to be manifest. And that obviously has been happening long before humanity snd will continue long after.

Quantum consciousness. To me that is the base of all awareness. Deeper than any thinker, or self. That’s all Ego play. That’s what humans have special. Not consciousness but ego.

Ego is responsible for the fear response to this very question. “ no no no. I’m special. My thoughts are amazing and everything else in creation is under me!!”

plants And animals obviously don’t have that..
But plants and animals and dinosaurs all interact with the fluid like mater we call the real and tangible and by experiencing, or being conscious of matter it’s created at light speed because of the awareness of it. Errr wtf is really going on here.
Sure this idea could be scizo. But science has only brought us deeper down the rabbit hole, science has proven this, not only theoretically. Matter comes in and out of existence. We know awareness seems to play a role in this.

so at the end of the day, dogs do it. Cats do it. Corona virus does it. Soon I wonder if computers will do it. ......
 
hillbill

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green_machine_two9er said:
Hey I’m with ya here. Being that matter seems to be influenced or even manifested by consciousness. It makes since to me that all the stuff needs the “spirit” or consciousness or awareness to be manifest. And that obviously has been happening long before humanity snd will continue long after.

Quantum consciousness. To me that is the base of all awareness. Deeper than any thinker, or self. That’s all Ego play. That’s what humans have special. Not consciousness but ego.

Ego is responsible for the fear response to this very question. “ no no no. I’m special. My thoughts are amazing and everything else in creation is under me!!”

plants And animals obviously don’t have that..
But plants and animals and dinosaurs all interact with the fluid like mater we call the real and tangible and by experiencing, or being conscious of matter it’s created at light speed because of the awareness of it. Errr wtf is really going on here.
Sure this idea could be scizo. But science has only brought us deeper down the rabbit hole, science has proven this, not only theoretically. Matter comes in and out of existence. We know awareness seems to play a role in this.

so at the end of the day, dogs do it. Cats do it. Corona virus does it. Soon I wonder if computers will do it. ......
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The last sentence is very frightening. “Just Pull The Plug” May not work. Soon.
 
Nutty sKunK

Nutty sKunK

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green_machine_two9er said:
Hey I’m with ya here. Being that matter seems to be influenced or even manifested by consciousness. It makes since to me that all the stuff needs the “spirit” or consciousness or awareness to be manifest. And that obviously has been happening long before humanity snd will continue long after.

Quantum consciousness. To me that is the base of all awareness. Deeper than any thinker, or self. That’s all Ego play. That’s what humans have special. Not consciousness but ego.

Ego is responsible for the fear response to this very question. “ no no no. I’m special. My thoughts are amazing and everything else in creation is under me!!”

plants And animals obviously don’t have that..
But plants and animals and dinosaurs all interact with the fluid like mater we call the real and tangible and by experiencing, or being conscious of matter it’s created at light speed because of the awareness of it. Errr wtf is really going on here.
Sure this idea could be scizo. But science has only brought us deeper down the rabbit hole, science has proven this, not only theoretically. Matter comes in and out of existence. We know awareness seems to play a role in this.

so at the end of the day, dogs do it. Cats do it. Corona virus does it. Soon I wonder if computers will do it. ......
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Yeah AI is the next ‘big deal’. I think it’s crucial it sees humans not as a threat but as a potential for cooperation.

What was intriguing was a situation where they left
Google’s deepmind AI completely bare of any information. It was simply 4 blocks that’s it. What did the cheeky bugger end up doing with no input? It started replicating itself... like an earthly intelligence. It’s almost like with intelligence comes the inherent need to replicate itself.
 
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Northwood

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Neuroscientists take a different view of animal consciousness than general western culture because the scientific method relies on more empirical evidence rather than tradition. Hence the Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness. During my entire pre-adult life I was taught that only humans are blessed with consciousness and sentience because we were created in HIS likeness and have souls, and animals were made only for our benefit to exploit and serve our needs and do not have "souls". I think that prejudice still exists in our culture, and it's a difficult one to break out of. Heck at one time western culture thought only white people of european ancestry had "real consciousness", so maybe we've made a bit of progress over the last couple centuries or so. But these old Biblical beliefs certainly do still influence many of us and color our perception.
 
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