plants drooping in dwc

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Hydroburn said:
The diamond nectar website straight up says organic... I wouldn't use it unless bubbled in bennie tea, foliar spray, or you know of other people that are using it with success in DWC. Not sure about fulvic acid since it is supposed to be a chelator or something, but most organics need microbes to break them down and make nutrients available.

Typically organics in mediumless hydro fucks shit up for us regular folk. Pulling off dead roots is the right thing... you don't want them rotting in the res and the plants should quickly grow new roots. nameno is correct too... I have also noticed the roots grow into cords when left above the water line. There should be enough DO in the water that you don't need a giant gap, and the more water volume you have the more stable your system will be.

Bumping up nute ppm won't do anything if the roots are dead.

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Thanks for taking the time to send me those links I'll check em out tonight.
haha I'm sucha Noob I just checked gh website bout the diamond nector you are absolutely right about it being organic.
Shit I just thought it was some sorta acid to help the plant up take micro nutrients. I'm running a sterile res w zone so Def gonna skip that fromhere on out. Though I do have two drip buckets planted at the same time that are loving it! I'm guessing the drip buckets r a Lil more forgiving when it comes to user error
 
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I will say the extra pump and the little air pocket seems to be doing the trick. I see tons of new fresh pearly whites making there way into the res. It's lights out now but I'll throw upa photo tomorrow
 
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DWC is touchy because the roots are always submerged in water... and a low oxygen humid environment is perfect for anaerobic bacteria to bloom; organic material is food for bacteria (good and bad). The extra air bubbles will help infuse the water with dissolved oxygen, and colder water can hold more DO.

some other methods like hempy buckets can run organics all day long, but you need to innoculate with bennies so they can process the organics into usable nutes.

You could try foliar spray the diamond nectar mixed with a little unscented dish soap as a wetting agent.
 
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Hydroburn said:
DWC is touchy because the roots are always submerged in water... and a low oxygen humid environment is perfect for anaerobic bacteria to bloom; organic material is food for bacteria (good and bad). The extra air bubbles will help infuse the water with dissolved oxygen, and colder water can hold more DO.

some other methods like hempy buckets can run organics all day long, but you need to innoculate with bennies so they can process the organics into usable nutes.

You could try foliar spray the diamond nectar mixed with a little unscented dish soap as a wetting agent.
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Meh I'm prob just better off shelving it for now. though I was reading heisenbergs tea recipe and after this run might give it a go.
Thought a sterile res would be less complicated but starting to have my doubts.
 
Marlo95

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You need to add 2 more products to your system

H2o2 and florakleen

Florakleen- after you drain your nite water, fill it back up with ro water and put about 3ml a gallon in it and leave the roots soaking for about 2 hours. This makes Shute you never deal with nute lockout because it dissolves all those salts that build up.

H2o2- some people look down on it but I say fuck it! I keep a clean res so that root rot is and disease are never an issue.
 
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OMG, it wasn't the extra pump and lowering the water level that did it, it was raising the ppm!!

How could anyone say raising ppm won't do anything with a straight face, at such a low starting ppm?

Extra pump and lower water level are nice, but with 250ppm and below, you will have DROOPY PLANTS.

4Sku2nkd0 said:
I will say the extra pump and the little air pocket seems to be doing the trick. I see tons of new fresh pearly whites making there way into the res. It's lights out now but I'll throw upa photo tomorrow
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churchhaze said:
OMG, it wasn't the extra pump and lowering the water level that did it, it was raise

I had done so much reading about over fert waiting for my gear. I had started em from seed and did no nutes for the first 2 weeks or so.
I did have them at 400 or so before I noticed the prob and dropped it at the res change thinking I had some sorta lock out.
While the low ppms Def didn't help my situation I had to of introduced some sorta bacteria I'm thinkin. But next go around I'm gonna be a Lil more aggressive w my feeding for sure
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FrozenChozen said:
You need to circulate and aerate to water more.... get a small submersible pump... it helped me through drooping... read up on "flooming" too... you can kinda create a "floom" if you stick the pump to the side wall of the hydro tub right along the water line...
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here's a good one for about 10 gallon tubs....
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I'm using two root spas supposedly no need for a stone the airline goes directly into the tube connected to the elbow at the base of the buckets and almost acts like a floom pushing big bubbles up the Side of the bucket aggitating my surface area.
Though I've seen lotsa successfull grows w this method the added airstone is Def helping in my situation.
As for a Lil sub pump if I convert to rdwc I'll Def give that a go but seems like a pain to run in each bucket.
 
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Here's a Lil update my two dwc buckets have Def perked up quitea bit. I tied down my toSkywalker and all the undergrowth looks great. The Ww also seems to be bouncing back but it still has rusty dead spots from over feeding early on
 

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Here's two farms I started exact same time as the buckets.
Quick question my prized lady is a heavy feeder had her at 500 ppms next day she was at 400 upped her to 550 at top off same thing now finally at 650 she's still around 630 2 days later.
My question is she's been showing slight signs of over fert the whole time clawing and very slight burning. But she's still eating and thriving should I just keep doing what I'm doing? I know excess N can cause me prob when I switch
 

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pic looks like light is getting to the roots and stunting them, prob why PH is high.
 
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Army13p23

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Did you ever figure out why your leaves were drooping , curling? Mine have just started curling down two days ago and cant seem to figure out why

They( 3 of them) are in 5 gal buckets with air stones. No resivor just single 5 gal buckets
 
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Army13p23

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In veg stage still. The air bubble seems fine, roots seems healthy, ppms are around 600. Water temp was 58 deg kinda cold. My air temp in the tent did drop down to 45 degrees because heater turned off for some reason. Usually air temp is between 65-75 (its winter and cold in NY) RH stays around 50-60%. The PH varies from 5.8 to 6.2 then I lower it back down to 5.8 again. The water level is right at the bottom of the net no space. Only started two days ago but want to see what helped you out.
 
Badrice08

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I'd say your temps and ppm are doing a 1-2 punch on your plants. in DWC you really don't need that high of PPM in the system unless you already have monster plants.
 
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Badrice08 said:
I'd say your temps and ppm are doing a 1-2 punch on your plants. in DWC you really don't need that high of PPM in the system unless you already have monster plants.
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I think I figured it out. I got the temp back under control. Maybe the ppms are a little to high I will clean n lower the ppms to around 450.
I bought a new HLG light went from HPS to LED and had the intensity up to high. So I lower the intensity and raised the the light and 2 out of 3 perked back up and stayed that wal all day.
Hopefully tomorrow the 3rd one will perk back up also
 
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