Plant will not form pistils in flower

Tim1987 said:

If i can give any advice, id say try plain water for a week or two. See how it goes.

I'd suggest to test a soil sample too. Because the nutrient can lower the ph.
What leachate that comes out into the waste isn't an accurate representation. Because buffers like lime etc, leach from the pot.
You need a mix of your soil to test. A soil test kit, or testing a slurry sample with distilled water, and a pen is the way to go.

Thats all i can tell you to do, and ask that you get the data. Otherwise i'm only guessing.
A pic in natural light will really, really help too.

Sorry bro, just being honest. Trying to help.

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Smokingbandit000 said:

No worries man I know it's hard to figure outs what wrong without knowing all the details and I appreciate everyone's help as always.

I guess I'm just looking for more of what could be cuasing it so I can search to find answers.

And I was not thinking your knocking the soil I was expecting you to be familiar with it because it seems like everyone is lol.

Anyhow I will take your advice and give it just plain water for the next few waterings and see what happens I got nothing to lose and I trust your knowledge as you nailed my last problem and that thing turned around quick just didn't come out good because it was already far to gone. Hopefully I can save this one but moving forward I'm going back to smaller plants and more of them.

One thing that might change your input and I tolttaly forgot to mentioned. There are some new leaves that are getting a slight twist in them and one looks wavy not straight. No single bladed or three blades all have five blades as normal but just a few have some triwing or wavyness to them.

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Tim1987 said:

Na, its all cool bro. Never any offense taken. Just wanted to say it respectfully.
Instead of stomping on your toes.

Yeah sounds like a good plan. Plain water sounds good. Nothing to lose, as you say.

To be completely honest, those twisting new leaves, and distorted new growth screams lockout due to low ph to me.
The problem is, in soil this is usually caused by continuously damp soil, without adequate waste runoff. Things get anaerobic at the root zone.
Creating excessive urea, and amonium nitrate. Acidifying the root zone.
Just came to mind as well, if you've been adjusting the ph of your water, i'd avoid it all together.
If you have been using ph down, what is the active component in yours? It isn't Nitric Acid by any chance is it?

I have no problem helping where i can bro. Will definitely share my thoughts.
I appreciate the kind words. You never know, you might have the solution to a problem of mine, i can't figure out one day too. I think its what its all about. Being helpful.

Good luck the next week or two.
I'd definitely think about testing your soil.

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Tim1987 said:

Na, its all cool bro. Never any offense taken. Just wanted to say it respectfully.
Instead of stomping on your toes.

Yeah sounds like a good plan. Plain water sounds good. Nothing to lose, as you say.

To be completely honest, those twisting new leaves, and distorted new growth screams lockout due to low ph to me.
The problem is, in soil this is usually caused by continuously damp soil, without adequate waste runoff. Things get anaerobic at the root zone.
Creating excessive urea, and amonium nitrate. Acidifying the root zone.
Just came to mind as well, if you've been adjusting the ph of your water, i'd avoid it all together.
If you have been using ph down, what is the active component in yours? It isn't Nitric Acid by any chance is it?

I have no problem helping where i can bro. Will definitely share my thoughts.
I appreciate the kind words. You never know, you might have the solution to a problem of mine, i can't figure out one day too. I think its what its all about. Being helpful.

Good luck the next week or two.
I'd definitely think about testing your soil.

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Smokingbandit000 said:

Yes my water is oh at 9 so I use only phpH do every time and it's from general hydroponics it's said acid on the front but that's it.

My wife just reminded me also that on that first run I didn't have pH up or down and I just used distilled water from the store. I never bothered checking pH at all and never had a single problem on a single leaf.

Man I think you might be on to something here!

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Smokingbandit000 said:

So should I go back to that water and stop messing with the pH at all?

I can do that lol makes life easier anyway. Just cost 60 cents a gallon but no biggie.

So just to get everything straight. Your saying I should stop nutes altogether for the next couple waterings and stop thing my water correct?

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Tim1987 said:

I just browsed the GH ph down on google. It seems phosphoric acid is what they use. Phosphoric acid will practically do the same thing to your soil.
My own analogy is thinking of an old busted car battery, or similar. The acid dries, the water evaporates. But the acid is still there.
Its possible ph down could do the same with soil. It would have to have some sort of affect.
It's really only a hydroponic thing.

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Smokingbandit000 said:

Alright let's do it.

I just took a look today after flushing yesterday and it looks overall healthier and sprouted new growth overnight faster than the last 3 days.

I'm gonna get back in a couple weeks to report what it does I have a good feeling that might be the main issue I have been having for a while.

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Tim1987 said:

Awesome. Look forward to your update.
Sounds positive already.
Good luck, and hear from you soon.

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Smokingbandit000 said:

Ok...........so Im Gona say upfront that I feel like a complete idiot and had and made a big noob mistake....I think I had a light leak!

I noticed it a couple days ago when my lights were on I had a beam coming out the back of my tent from a vent hole. It's still pretty dark back there all day but im thinking if lights getting out some might be getting in causing my plant not to flower right?

Here's where I am at now. Since I went to distilled water the plant has responded great, it looks healthier than ever with no odd signs on the new growth and it's got a nice green to it instead really dark like before. I have still not given it nutes since the flush, no signs of diffenciency.

I noticed the possible light leak two days ago, the first time of lights out after I closed the leak, it stretched about 3 inches and also shot out some pre flowers, not much but it's a start lol.

Now what makes me think the light leak is the main culprit ( not to say I wasn't having other problems because pH and nitrogen I think was still a issue) but my last plant flowered a little late then all the sudden starting having signs of reveg during the rest of it's life out of nowhere. It's possible that when I added ventilation I opened it up and didn't close it all the way.

I'm thinking because I never cuaght it it kept this one from even starting.

Anyway if this is the case, I'm wondering will it flower out as normal or is it too gone to save?

And if it will still flower out, should I expect the buds to follow the oreflowers shortly after or should I expect a couple more weeks?

I ask because normally I have oreflowers before I go into flower, but this one was wierd. I vegged for so long the preflower dried up and all the new growth never gave new preflower out until now.

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Tim1987 said:

I'll be honest. I'm in a 4x4 space with an 8inch fan for extraction. I'd put money on it not being ventilation.
Light leaks will cause stretch and delay flower though.

There's a couple glaring coincidences to me.

1. First grow was fine. Distilled water.

2.Second grow was troublesome. Tap water.
Added ventilation made it better.

3. Current grow has the same trouble though. Tap water.
Got immediately better using distilled. But the issue is still around. Fixed a light leak.

4. A rich soil was being used, and as suggested can cause revegging.
Nitrogen is gaseous as well. So extra is coming through in the ventilation.

5. Extra light causes extra vegetation. You added another, of the same light. Small light leak as well.

6. Imvho, it was your water. You may want to get an RO machine.
But i believe combining the other elements meant the problem got worse.

Glad its getting better mate.

Keep us all updated. Anything else just shoot.

Peace,

Tim.

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Smokingbandit000 said:

Got it, should I wait til I see buds orming before going back to nutes?

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Smokingbandit000 said:

Hello everyone.

I have one large plant in four weeks of flower with no pistils yet.

I tried this once before with the same cut and had lots of issues. I figured it all out and it finished in 14 weeks with large airy colas that were crap.

I have grown the strain before with good success using multiple smaller plants.

This time my temps are good, no light leaks, I doubled my light so I have two thousand Watt led lights on it, both are supposed to be equivalent to a 400 Watt hps. I also checked my time and it's a digital that's on point.

This was a clone vegged for several months and I transplanted it into a 20 gallon pot with fresh fox farm ocean forest soil, lollipopped it and pruned, then vegged for two weeks under the new lights before the flip. I did not use any new for weeks one, then week two and three I only used half strength. I am 3 days into week four with no pistils forming. The plant didn't stretch until week three and is still stretching.

I'm not sure what to do at this point. I gave a couple clones to my buddy and he had pistils in a few days.

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Coloradoclear said:

Have you checked your timer . . . I had a timer that was fucking up and turning my lights back on . . . Just happened to see it

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Smokingbandit000 said:

Yeh my timer is working fine.

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Tim1987 said:

Hi smokingbandit,

You might be on to something with the nitrogen.

Made me wonder too,
If you're in soil, how good is your drainage, and aeration?
How often are you watering?
Plenty of waste runoff too?

An increase in urea will happen with continuously wet soil.

Also how is your soils ph being measured?

Edit: Your waste isn't an accurate reading.

Wet soil will have an abundance of urea, and ammonium nitrate. This will lower the ph in your soil.

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Blitz35 said:

Urea would be more an issue on a farm i would think...most bottled nutes have either an ammonium and/or nitrate forms of nitrogen, not urea based. If somehow his soil contained urea, it would break down into ammonium in the soil and turn the whole thing acidic. For now it's nearly impossible to offer much help as under those lights in the pic, the plant looks pur-ple-fect Normal pics dude, can't see anything with colored lights on plants!

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Tim1987 said:

Yep.
Absolutely agree with you!

But my analogy is FFOF is being used, and has been amended as well.
Its gotta be rich.

I helped out in the previous thread. The images are still really fresh in my mind.

Also, if calcium was high, then the ph likely wouldn't fall quickly.

I don't think its a ph problem. I believe it's a watering issue.

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Blitz35 said:

From what i see, grow big has no calcium in it at all, but his soil does contain alot of sea amendments, so ya, getting ph down may not be too easy, but if its organic, the 7 may be ok in the end. Either way, i actually can't help here, because without seeing the plant, it's a mystery

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