Plant Dropping to Sure Why Help!

robert 14617

robert 14617

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i am in 3 gal containers setting on top of 5 gal bucket lids and i only water roughly once a week and feed lightly every other week if the plants look like there is a need . the soil i use is reg. potting soil with pearlight i add to keep it airy. i water enough to get just a little runoff , then let it dry almost to the point the plant will wilt
 

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Stoney McFried

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Right, I said he could supplement N if he wanted to, but, it could affect yield. See the part that I put in bold and italic, I also said...adjust according to where the plant is in cycle. Since bloom nutes still have N, just lower amounts, he should be fine. A little yellowing is to be expected, and happens when the plant is in nature. Since we're basically trying to recreate the plant's natural environment indoors, Shouldn't we allow the plant to go through its life cycle as naturally as possible? Wouldn't that be the best way to avoid stress? Why would we continue to feed the plant as if it were in its veg state? We don't want to encourage new leaf growth, we want to encourage more pistils and more resin production. When we put the plant in 12/12 and feed it bloom instead of veg nutes, we're telling the plant, "Ok, time to flower now." So we let it have an autumn. It's not going to be entirely deficient, as bloom nutes still contain N, but it doesn't need the same levels of N that it did during veg state.
redeye75 said:
Here is a quote from another grower (RM3) regarding pre harvest flushing and I have followed this method:

Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. Additionally You can supplement N in the flowering stages to avoid the plant eating itself.. several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.
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redeye75

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robert 14617 said:
not sarcastic tool asking in honest curiosity........................

and i don't agree with flushing even though plenty of growers still swear by it i would never presume to tell someone not to listen to that advice, but i am concerned about the size of the container and the time between watering
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Resorting to name calling... Real mature and i thought that was against the rules here...
 
redeye75

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Someone needs to learn something instead of act like a 12 year old...... If one can NOT grow and maintain healthy foliage until harvest, then basically you haven't mastered the art of growing cannabis.

"Folks use the ruse of yellowing leaves as a cover up for not understanding plant culture.....not having the experience and/or knowledge to be able to retain a lot of healthy foliage until harvest.

It's not the leaves dropping off that determines the prime time to harvest, it's several factors including the rate of new calyx/pistil development, bulkiness of the colas, color of the resin heads, etc. Bottom line - keep the leaves green until harvest and have as much foliage going into the flowering response as you can. It's the leaves that will drive bud production."
 
robert 14617

robert 14617

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no one told the OP that his plants look normal for this period in plant development stop looking for an argument
 
redeye75

redeye75

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robert 14617 said:
no one told the OP that his plants look normal for this period in plant development stop looking for an argument
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I never claimed that anyone did.... Im not looking to argue.... I post facts and you post BULLSHIT!! You think your so high and mighty with your big post count, like of I have 10k posts so I'm right... More bullshit and more of a reason why people are given and accepting bullshit on this website....
 
robert 14617

robert 14617

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WTF have i given other then what i have done that works for me , never told anyone what they need to do... stop this crap stop your post count envy it makes you look childish....................................

looks like i have another person to put on my ignore list , people who believe their view is the only valid point and no one else can have any positive feedback that can be of any value,i don't have time for little minds ......... so long
 
redeye75

redeye75

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robert 14617 said:
WTF have i given other then what i have done that works for me , never told anyone what they need to do... stop this crap stop your post count envy it makes you look childish
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LOL speaking of childish, I'm pretty sure you were the one name calling.... Post count envy? I could care less about a fucking post count but people who come here looking for help automatically believe what comes out of the mouths of someone with a high post count even if what they say is total bullshit!
 
Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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You said the plant should be green all the way though, and should be given extra N if it was deficient. I take that as meaning in addition to what is already being supplied by bloom ferts. That would be feeding the same levels as if it were in veg, right?Basically, you're saying that a plant must keep the same level of N through veg AND flower. But that's not what happens in nature. In nature, the plant loses some of its leaves and uses up its stored N. It's part of the life cycle. If you've fed it correctly through veg with veg nutes, you should have plenty of stored N in the plant to get it through when you switch to the bloom nutes and change the ratio of NPK. Yellowing is normal. As long as the plant doesn't use up all the N before it's time.
redeye75 said:
I never said that....
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You DON'T NEED all that extra foliage in flower. The plant is done growing and adding nodes, branches, what have you; now it's time to focus on bud and resin production. The plant needs to think it's going to be winter soon. That's what encourages growth of budmass. It's basically trying to catch pollen in an effort to make seeds and ensure its survival. More resin=stickier buds. Giving it extra Nitrogen is encouraging it to grow leaves. You don't need extra leaves at this point. If it's focused on maintaining it's leafy growth, that's taking energy away from bud growth.
redeye75 said:
Someone needs to learn something instead of act like a 12 year old...... If one can NOT grow and maintain healthy foliage until harvest, then basically you haven't mastered the art of growing cannabis.

"Folks use the ruse of yellowing leaves as a cover up for not understanding plant culture.....not having the experience and/or knowledge to be able to retain a lot of healthy foliage until harvest.

It's not the leaves dropping off that determines the prime time to harvest, it's several factors including the rate of new calyx/pistil development, bulkiness of the colas, color of the resin heads, etc. Bottom line - keep the leaves green until harvest and have as much foliage going into the flowering response as you can. It's the leaves that will drive bud production."
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Stoney McFried

Stoney McFried

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Dude, this is uncalled for. If you look at the grow journals of very experienced growers on this website, you're going to see that they aren't worried about extra leaf production, nor keeping the plant's leaves as green as they were in veg. We're trying to reproduce natural conditions here. Allowing the plant to do what its supposed to do. You don't smoke the leaves, and many people prune excess leaves during flower to allow better air circulation and light to the buds...because the plant doesn't need all the extra leaves-it's not growing new branches anymore. In flower, it's time to focus on bud and resin production.
redeye75 said:
I post facts and you post BULLSHIT!! You think your so high and mighty with your big post count, like of I have 10k posts so I'm right... More bullshit and more of a reason why people are given and accepting bullshit on this website....
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redeye75

redeye75

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The more healthy foliage you have going into the flowering response the more bud production no matter what the crop and I never said anything about new leaf production I was simply stating that you should strive to keep the leaves that you have healthy and green all the way to harvest.... Focusing on bud and resin production is the leaves JOB so to allow the plant to become so nutrient deficient that it starts feed from its leaves is not good if you want the best bud possible... "don't worry about bud production, concern yourself ONLY with producing and maintaining the most healthy root and foliage mass you can". Excellent bud production will automatically follow.
 
Dr. Greenhorn

Dr. Greenhorn

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redeye75 said:
Ahh another reason why RIU is going to shit... a high post count user being sarcastic to someone who just may know a little something....
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I think the real reason RIU is going to shit is because of people like you who think your method of growing is the "correct and only" method of growing.
 
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