Planning on making hash!

SpFx420

Member
Hey guys so ive been interested in making some for awhile and recently I made a couple grams doing the iso extraction method but I was planning on doing something with higher potency like BHO extraction (Ive looked into the safety aspects). Id like to try out those fancy dabs hahabongsmilie

But my questions are

What types of hash seem to have the highest yield and will be most worth it?

I can use dank but im scared of wasting it, Is it possible to make it with mids just using alot more product instead. Or would it be less potent?

How much bud do i need to make about 4 grams of bho??

And do you think its worth it? thats why i asked about mids, id also hate to fuck up and waste dank

Thanks for the help
 

Jogro

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my questions are

What types of hash seem to have the highest yield and will be most worth it?
Its up to you to decide what's "worth it", but chemical type extractions give you the highest yield in terms of extracting the max possible cannabinoids from your starting leaf/bud.

Note that "highest yield" isn't necessarily "best hash".

My personal preference is quality over quantity, but that's subjective.

I can use dank but im scared of wasting it, Is it possible to make it with mids just using alot more product instead. Or would it be less potent?
The whole point of making hash is that it concentrates either the trichromes, or all the THC (depending on what kind you make).

Yes, its absolutely possible to make really strong hash starting with weak bud, its just your overall yield (grams of hash per ounce of bud/leaf) will be lower.

How much bud do i need to make about 4 grams of bho??
Depends on the bud. Obviously, the more THC in the buds, the more you can extract out in your oil.

I think a good rule of thumb is that you'll return about 10% of your starting weight as BHO.

But the range is probably about 5-20% depending on how good your extraction is, and what you're starting with (ie trim vs perfectly manicured top shelf buds).

So the quick answer is figure you'll need 1-2 OUNCES of buds to make 4 grams of high quality BHO.
 

budlover13

King Tut
Beware that in Cali at least, making hash is the equivalent of cooking meth. Just throwing that out there.
 

cheechako

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Beware that in Cali at least, making hash is the equivalent of cooking meth. Just throwing that out there.
Wow. Good thing I don't live in California! No, wait - it is not! I miss California, and BHO and meth both scare me a lot! I'm going to get bubble bags when I have trim.
 

cheechako

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curious , why would bho scare you?
Aren't you the dude with that fancy reclamation unit? That's cool - I would try something like that if I had lots of cash. I'd rather avoid most chemicals and solvents. Besides, from what I've read, making BHO in your living room is a bad thing. Ice water doesn't tend to explode.
 

dbkick

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yeah, just ran some last night and vac'd for like hours and hours, no butane left in my wax. I ran it right here at this desk too, you probably get more leaked butane by filling a lighter.
 

Jimmyjonestoo

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yeah, just ran some last night and vac'd for like hours and hours, no butane left in my wax. I ran it right here at this desk too, you probably get more leaked butane by filling a lighter.
I usually run mine inside as well. I would imagine it only becomes an issue if you're doing it on a very large scale.
 

SpFx420

Member
And thank you Jogro looks like you really know your shit. So it doesnt matter if i use mids as far as quality goes because its just the thc being collected?? I might try with 2 ounces of mids and some dank mixed in for my first time. Would you say that the high from using bho is worth it in general tho? And in terms of Quality and strongest form what would you go with? What about bags?? I was thinking that looked like more of something you do with a shit ton of trimmings or bud.

Sorry for my sloppy posts btw
 

Trousers

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I agree with jogro he knows his shit. (and sometimes worry that he is going to come in and correct my posts)


My opinions:

BHO
BHO is not dangerous. Make it in your garage with the door cracked a bit and a fan blowing out. Butane sinks to the ground.
For me BHO is the strongest but not that enjoyable to smoke by itself. I only make BHO with buds I do not want or with dry leftover stuff.

Bubble Bags
The next strongest and by far the tastiest and best smelling. If done right you will not get much, but it will kick ass. Do not use buds with bags, the yield is tiny. You might as well make BHO. Good wet frozen trimmings will make more and better bubble hash than buds. I bought a bubble machione for about $150 and it is great. If you do not have that you should hand stir.

Dry Ice

Less strong than the above, slightly stronger than ISO? It is really easy to make and you will get a good product and more of it.

ISO

Yuck. Less strong than bubble bags or BHO. I will not make it again after trying full melt bubble hash. It is easy, cheap and works well, but yuck.

Everclear
Same deal as ISO but i would rather have alcohol in my hash than ISO. I have made tincture after carboxilizing (fuck, can't remember what that word is) weed and it was incredible. Every thing went slow motion .


For me the clear winner is bubble bag full melt. It smells like flowers, it tastes incredibly good. When I hit it with my Hakko soldering iron in a concentrate bowl it is amazing. It is like you do not get a hit and then you blow out a cumulus cloud of smoke.

Before I figured out how to make full melt, I took to mixing it with weed, as it was harsh and not super tasty. Now I want to taste it.
 

SpFx420

Member
Thank you for your great easy to read post Trousers and I cant stop laughing at that little bin laden faced child haha, Thats awesome how you explained each and I really appreciate that. So far I plan to do BHO with a couple ounces and il try it outside, I love not having neighbors :) I was looking into getting one of those nail and dome attachments to dab to oil into. Im just now starting to get into extracts so I probably wont use high quality herbs the first time. That bubble bag full melt sounds amazing! Ive only had some black hash from a dispensary that i really liked and that iso which wasnt too good.
 

Jogro

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And thank you Jogro looks like you really know your shit. So it doesnt matter if i use mids as far as quality goes because its just the thc being collected?? I might try with 2 ounces of mids and some dank mixed in for my first time. Would you say that the high from using bho is worth it in general tho? And in terms of Quality and strongest form what would you go with? What about bags?? I was thinking that looked like more of something you do with a shit ton of trimmings or bud.
The butane (or other organic solvent) pulls out the organic compounds. Stuff other than THC gets extracted in your solvent, including other cannabinoids, but yes, you can make top quality BHO using mid-grade weed if you know what you're doing.

In terms of your second question, only you can answer that. I don't think high quality is so different with chemical extracts, its just that the stuff is much more potent and you are effectively vaporizing (not burning) it.

I'm not really a fan of BHO myself, but that's a question of personal preference. I don't feel like messing with organic solvents, torches or fancy equipment.

IMO water hash is easier and a heck of a lot safer to make, plus it tastes better.

Its not as efficient an extraction, so your yield won't be as high, but personally, I don't care. If you're growing yourself (instead of paying vastly overinflated retail prices) the weed is cheap enough. My basic assumption here is that the only reason you're making hash to begin with is that you have a surplus of weed of some type.
 

Jogro

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I agree with jogro he knows his shit. (and sometimes worry that he is going to come in and correct my posts)
I'm flattered, though sometimes I'm full of shit, too. I'll just respond to below

BHO is not dangerous. Make it in your garage with the door cracked a bit and a fan blowing out. Butane sinks to the ground.
For me BHO is the strongest but not that enjoyable to smoke by itself. I only make BHO with buds I do not want or with dry leftover stuff.
Well, I'd say this. If you know what you're doing, and use appropriate precautions in doing so, its possible to make BHO safely at home. But empirically, BHO *is* dangerous because every week you can read a story in the paper about some idiot blowing themself up or burning their house down trying to make it. Also flaming blowtorches + being stoned out of your gourd. . .not a good combination either.

I've never actually made it, but that's because after having tried honey oil in the past, I just don't have interest in the product. What I will say is that this will yield the best quality of the chemical extracts, if made correctly plus the strongest.

Bubble Bags
The next strongest and by far the tastiest and best smelling. If done right you will not get much, but it will kick ass. Do not use buds with bags, the yield is tiny. You might as well make BHO. Good wet frozen trimmings will make more and better bubble hash than buds. I bought a bubble machione for about $150 and it is great. If you do not have that you should hand stir
Of the methods you mention, I agree.

IMO, the tastiest and best smelling is actually a good old fashioned dry sieve hash, freshly sieved and pressed, but with the advent of bubble bags, almost nobody is making this anymore. Rubbing/tumbling over a silk screen is probably the least efficient way of making hash, and one of the slowest. Bubble is a close second, and for most people probably a better choice.

Note that if you want to make water hash from buds you have to mince them up very finely first. If you just try to agitate whole buds, the trichromes inside the buds won't break off and you waste about 90% of them. Also, if you completely grind the crap out of them (like toss them dry in a blender), you'll lose much of the trichromes before you start and introduce lots of leaf dust lowering your quality.

If this is going to be a comprehensive post on ways to make hash, let me also mention "gravity" hash, or "gumby" hash. This is basically the same as the bubble-bags, just without the bags to grade the hash and sort out the micrscopic broken off leaf and other "junk". After agitation in ice water you just let the trichromes settle out of the ice water to the bottom, then concentrate them by siphoning off most of the water from the top and doing a second suspension then drying. IMO, this is the best "poor mans'" hash technique. Again, you won't get the same efficiency as a chemical extraction, and you won't get the same quality as with bubble bags, but you'll still have a good quality hash with no chemicals.

Dry Ice
Less strong than the above, slightly stronger than ISO? It is really easy to make and you will get a good product and more of it.
Never tried this, have little comment.

My understanding is that this is somewhat comparable to a dry sieve in terms of what it gives you. . .which shouldn't be a surprise, since this basically *IS* just a dry sieve, just with added dry ice to make the trichromes more brittle. Quality depends on how much extraction you do. The less shaking/extraction the less hash you'll get, but the higher the quality.

ISOYuck. Less strong than bubble bags or BHO. I will not make it again after trying full melt bubble hash. It is easy, cheap and works well, but yuck.
Could not have said that better myself. ISO has water in it, plus its denatured. . .yuck.

Acetone is probably superior to isopropanol as a solvent, by the way, giving better yield and flavor but you'll want to use a good quality acetone.

I've heard that petroleum ether (aka naptha) can work well too, though I've never tried it. That one is EXTREMELY flammable, plus the fumes are bad for you too. As a chemical acetone is safer, though I don't know how the extracts themselves compare.

IMO all chemical extractions are OUTDOOR ONLY. If you're going to cook anything, use an electric hot plate set on LOW.

Everclear
Same deal as ISO but i would rather have alcohol in my hash than ISO. I have made tincture after carboxilizing (fuck, can't remember what that word is) weed and it was incredible. Every thing went slow motion .
Agree again.

Back when I was younger and had access to same, I've done it using reagent grade 100% dry ethanol and *if* you can get it, its probably better than everclear. . .but still not as good as bubble.
You have to decarboxylate the extract if you want to create a true tincture that will be absorbed via the mucous membranes of your mouth and be active.
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
decarboxylate
that's it

we drank the tincture I made, about three droppers full each, mixed with beer
since I did not flush the chlorophyll out of the weed, it tasted terrible but dang it was strong

My drunk brother stopped drinking that night and my wife told me she thought we were on some sort of barbiturates, because we were in slow motion
 

Jogro

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View attachment 2464331 what kind does this look like, its crumbly but i can still mush it into a ball
Based on the granular consistency that's either dry sieve or water hash. Impossible for me to tell more than that based on the one low-power picture, but maybe someone "hash smarter" than me can do so.

If you want to get a sense of what's in there, take a good look at it with a 30-40x loupe, or even a microscope, if you have access to one.

That's really the best way to judge hash quality, short of actually smoking it. Good hash will be pure trichrome heads. If you see leafy bits in there or other gunk you know quality isn't top notch.
 
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