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Laughing Grass

Laughing Grass

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i learned how to drive and shift gears on an old Allis-Chalmers tractor, huge orange pos, but after about a week i could shift smoothly....then i started driving my dad's 63 f100 around the farm...while they weren't home :shock: ...when they caught me they both acted pissed, and my mom was...but my dad started letting me drive when we went out somewhere other than town, when i was 13...
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I grudgingly learned six years ago. That car is gone now and we only have automatics.

I don't get the point of a standard. Just a pain in the ass.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Laughing Grass said:
I grudgingly learned six years ago. That car is gone now and we only have automatics.

I don't get the point of a standard. Just a pain in the ass.
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for any kind of utility vehicle, i agree...for a performance vehicle, you have a lot more control than with an automatic transmission, you decide when and why to downshift, and you can accelerate more quickly, building rpm before you shift so there is no "lag" when it shifts from gear to gear
 
raratt

raratt

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
for any kind of utility vehicle, i agree...for a performance vehicle, you have a lot more control than with an automatic transmission, you decide when and why to downshift, and you can accelerate more quickly, building rpm before you shift so there is no "lag" when it shifts from gear to gear
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I can manually shift the automatic in my Challenger, just push the stick to the right. It will downshift also. It automatically shifts at redline. A 727 Torqueflight was THE competition transmission. Besides being almost bullet proof, changing the stall speed of the torque convertor and adding a shift kit is faster than anyone can shift a manual.
 
DarkWeb

DarkWeb

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raratt said:
I can manually shift the automatic in my Challenger, just push the stick to the right. It will downshift also. It automatically shifts at redline. A 727 Torqueflight was THE competition transmission. Besides being almost bullet proof, changing the stall speed of the torque convertor and adding a shift kit is faster than anyone can shift a manual.
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My jeep can do that. I prefer stick in the turns though......not the same.
 
Laughing Grass

Laughing Grass

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
for any kind of utility vehicle, i agree...for a performance vehicle, you have a lot more control than with an automatic transmission, you decide when and why to downshift, and you can accelerate more quickly, building rpm before you shift so there is no "lag" when it shifts from gear to gear
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Haven't most supercars done away with the manual transmission?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Laughing Grass said:
You can't change gears as smoothly and quickly as a computer.
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who says? i can shift gears with NO way for you to tell unless you're watching me do it..i can down shift coming down an incline, and use the rpm to smoothly shift higher to take off at the bottom of that hill, with no lag or lurch. i can maintain a constant speed going up all but the longest steepest hills...and i don't break down and strand you in the middle of nowhere, facing thousands of dollars worth of repairs...
i've been doing it for more than 40 years, and the only time anyone's head has even swayed slightly is when i intended them to...
 
DarkWeb

DarkWeb

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
who says? i can shift gears with NO way for you to tell unless you're watching me do it..i can down shift coming down an incline, and use the rpm to smoothly shift higher to take off at the bottom of that hill, with no lag or lurch. i can maintain a constant speed going up all but the longest steepest hills...and i don't break down and strand you in the middle of nowhere, facing thousands of dollars worth of repairs...
i've been doing it for more than 40 years, and the only time anyone's head has even swayed slightly is when i intended them to...
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A manual can still break, same with the clutch. I've actually had less broken automatics. And if there is a issue it's usually just a little top off of fluid.......maybe a filter change.
 
Laughing Grass

Laughing Grass

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
who says? i can shift gears with NO way for you to tell unless you're watching me do it..i can down shift coming down an incline, and use the rpm to smoothly shift higher to take off at the bottom of that hill, with no lag or lurch. i can maintain a constant speed going up all but the longest steepest hills...and i don't break down and strand you in the middle of nowhere, facing thousands of dollars worth of repairs...
i've been doing it for more than 40 years, and the only time anyone's head has even swayed slightly is when i intended them to...
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Let's get a hot coffee and go for a ride. I'm driving!
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DarkWeb said:
A manual can still break, same with the clutch. I've actually had less broken automatics. And if there is a issue it's usually just a little top off of fluid.......maybe a filter change.
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the manual transmissions don't just break...people break them, not knowing how to use them properly...90% of manual transmission repairs are burnt out clutches....
 
DarkWeb

DarkWeb

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
the manual transmissions don't just break...people break them, not knowing how to use them properly...90% of manual transmission repairs are burnt out clutches....
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LOL "keep off the grass" comes to mind....

Sorry bud I don't agree. Jeep manuals in the '90's where notorious for being crap. The automatics are still on the road. And many cars with a manual are cable shifted.....I've had issues with those too.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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DarkWeb said:
LOL "keep off the grass" comes to mind....

Sorry bud I don't agree. Jeep manuals in the '90's where notorious for being crap. The automatics are still on the road. And many cars with a manual are cable shifted.....I've had issues with those too.
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there are good ones and bad ones..there were some spectacularly bad automatic transmissions...
gm had the rotohydromatic 375, the older chevy turboglides, the gm turbohydromatic, the fordomatic 2 speed, pontiac tempestorque,
ford explorers and escapes, and honda civics all have shit transmissions, the cvts that nissan uses are piles of shit...
in contrast, the new broncos, mach 1s, tacomas, golfs, coopers, velosters...all have stellar manual transmissions...even the civic is a much better choice with a manual...
 
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