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TweedleD

TweedleD

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Easy SCOTTY! :D
Wow this thread keeps going and i am using it like a bible right now!

I do have a few questions hopefully someone can answer. Unfortunately i cant read for too long without getting some serious eye pains so i am limited to how much i can read through in a sitting.

First off, i remember you said you do not use an air stone as the water is oxygenated enough from the constant flow over the hydroton.
Have you tried a grow with one in?
Reason im asking i linked some people from another forum,uk based, and they all seemed to think it was necessary to have one in, but yet none of them have used a waterfarm (from what i can tell).

My growth has been somewhat slow compared to yours.
I dont know, my counting has gone all fucked up to the point where im not really too sure when i actually started and how long theyve been growing.
I think it has been 3 weeks...maybe 4...or 5... : /....Can't really remember..

Well, anyway, i have a PE and a Blue Widow in waterfarms, and it seems like in pure height it is winning over the PE, but i know from growing these two strains in soil before that the PE ends up having more nodes.
Oh, and for a comparison i also have a PE in soil, which seems to have gone through a phase of looking like it needed Mg, and maybe still does.

The PE is @ 600ppm 0.5 / 6.3pH
Blue Widow @ 650 ppm 0.5 / 6.3pH

Seems like i cant get my pH to stay down, its been a right battle! I think some of the acid turns to talk which dries on areas of the hydroton.

I need to addback 2 litres to both my ladies, and i was wondering what PPM you all reckon i should be @ judging from your experiences.

All help is greatly appreciated!

Peace! :)

Oh...link below :D
 
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Benjammin'29201

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Any suggestions for something to cover the intake with? I tried some thin panty hose but it blocked WAY to much air from my wind tunnel. I've heard squirrell cage is good because airflow is far more important than filtering the intake.. Help someone?
 
SCOTTYBALLS

SCOTTYBALLS

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TDooda said:
Easy SCOTTY! :D
Wow this thread keeps going and i am using it like a bible right now!

I do have a few questions hopefully someone can answer. Unfortunately i cant read for too long without getting some serious eye pains so i am limited to how much i can read through in a sitting.

First off, i remember you said you do not use an air stone as the water is oxygenated enough from the constant flow over the hydroton.
Have you tried a grow with one in?
Reason im asking i linked some people from another forum,uk based, and they all seemed to think it was necessary to have one in, but yet none of them have used a waterfarm (from what i can tell).

My growth has been somewhat slow compared to yours.
I dont know, my counting has gone all fucked up to the point where im not really too sure when i actually started and how long theyve been growing.
I think it has been 3 weeks...maybe 4...or 5... : /....Can't really remember..

Well, anyway, i have a PE and a Blue Widow in waterfarms, and it seems like in pure height it is winning over the PE, but i know from growing these two strains in soil before that the PE ends up having more nodes.
Oh, and for a comparison i also have a PE in soil, which seems to have gone through a phase of looking like it needed Mg, and maybe still does.

The PE is @ 600ppm 0.5 / 6.3pH
Blue Widow @ 650 ppm 0.5 / 6.3pH

Seems like i cant get my pH to stay down, its been a right battle! I think some of the acid turns to talk which dries on areas of the hydroton.

I need to addback 2 litres to both my ladies, and i was wondering what PPM you all reckon i should be @ judging from your experiences.

All help is greatly appreciated!

Peace! :)

Oh...link below :D
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I need more info on your grow have a picture? I cant say for sure where your at in your grow.. Yes Ive tried air tubes, stones.. never did they make any difrence what so ever .. your Ph is fine dont worry about it..

I looked through your thread but for some reason I dont see any pics..
 
TweedleD

TweedleD

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Bloody hell!
My image host has been shut down for some lardy dah breach of bandwich crap so all my images from all the threads are now gone!
Tomorrow i will reupload them all from Day 00 To now..... fun times.

There should be a video a couple pages back from youtube.

Will tell you more in the morning. its 3am for me! haha

Nighty night
 
TweedleD

TweedleD

Active Member
I have uploaded the latest pic.
Ab ove capony group shot followed by me trimming 3 nodes worth of big fan off.
Hope i havent overdone it but i hope that means more light gets to the lower growth.

Hope you can help me Scotty...

TD
 
Raylan

Raylan

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Scotty, would you mind taking a look at the grow in my signature and perhaps telling me what I'm doing wrong with the PE? She was doing just fine up until about 5-6 days ago. I have lots of pics and tried to post as much info as possible. I was just a little behind your growth up until day 18, then I started falling wayyy behind your grow.
 
SCOTTYBALLS

SCOTTYBALLS

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Raylan said:
Scotty, would you mind taking a look at the grow in my signature and perhaps telling me what I'm doing wrong with the PE? She was doing just fine up until about 5-6 days ago. I have lots of pics and tried to post as much info as possible. I was just a little behind your growth up until day 18, then I started falling wayyy behind your grow.
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hmm not sure where your getting your nutes from but if somone sent me the wrong shit twice I would be extreamly pissed off.. and on top of that saying this product is better then another product shows that they are complete retards.. they dont even know what the hell you are growing! where not growing fucking daisys and sunflowers here you need to get the right shit first then I can tell you if you have a problem in about 3 weeks dont expect the plant to magically heal itself either.. you will only be able to tell from how the new growth comes out.
 
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NWgrowerguy

Member
Hey scotty,that grow was epicsauce on toast. +1 rep 2 u

I got inspired and just picked up an armoire for an indoor grow,It's dimensions are 30 in. wide x 20 in. deep x 40 in. high ,I've only got a $300 budget for my box so I pieced together a waterfarm setup with parts from my local hardware store instead of buying a kit and still needed to get a light so I got a 15 qt. and 27 qt. sterilite storage containers for my buckets and ordered a sun systems 150w HPS because I can't find a CMH to fit into my budget so I figured a 150w HPS is better than nothing right?

My questions for you are......Do you think I could expect the same results (give or take a few grams,lol) by following your ph/pps guidelines with lower headroom for my lamp with such a low wattage HPS?.....And how often should I check my ph/pps levels with a waterfarm system?

I also might add 2 maybe 3 CFL's to give it a boost
 
Raylan

Raylan

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I was definitely upset, but very tired of dealing with them at that point, so I gave in.
By this point you were already flowering, and I've yet to even reach my screen, so I'll let you know when I get the FloraNova Bloom and see if you can give me a few pointers. The new growth is fine looking for the most part, but the effected growth only gets worse, though a lot of this is due to my PH I believe. I ordered a BF Vanilla Kush when I got the PE, so I'll be starting that up after the PE is done. Will be following your journal to a T for that one, as minor variations seem to be biting me in the ass on this one. That and inexperience haha.
 
Flo Grow

Flo Grow

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+REP on both harvest Scotty !

3 questions for you, or Serapis:

1) What are your rez temps or is that NOT a concern due to the recirculation of the water ?

2)Can you explain, in more detail, how you drain the bottom using the tube once the screen is in place ?

3) Can I run a 400w CMH in my 400w Lumitek Digital Ballast ?
 
Serapis

Serapis

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Flo Grow said:
+REP on both harvest Scotty !

3 questions for you, or Serapis:

1) What are your rez temps or is that NOT a concern due to the recirculation of the water ?
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The GH Waterfarm utilizes an air pump to push water up a pick-up tube and then it is dripped over the medium. The water is always moving and is heavily oxygenated. You don't have to worry about rotting roots. I do add about 5 ml of H2O2 about every 4-5 days, to keep the water clean. Plus, when you are flowering and pushing the ladies like we are, they tend to drink more than a gallon per day, so you are always adding fresh water, unlike a huge 25 gallon reservoir which may not see an infusion of fresh water for a week or more.

Flo Grow said:
2)Can you explain, in more detail, how you drain the bottom using the tube once the screen is in place ?
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There are two ways you can do this. If you have the available height, like a 8' or 9' ceiling, I would have the waterfarm on a milk crate. That way you can drain it a lot easier, just rotate the water level tube until it is parallel with the ground and let it empty into another 2 gallon container. If you are like me and just don't have the room to raise the waterfarm, you can use a shop wet/dry vac to suck the water right out from the leveling tube.

In my short experience in using a farm, I have only had to drain and flush twice. Both times about half way through flowering because the available nutrients got out of whack. when you keep adding water and topping off one of the farms, sooner or later you'll have a nutrient imbalance. Your ppms will remain kind of high, but the plant will show it's lacking. At that point, I drain, flush and refill with fresh water and nutrients. Generally I would empty and flush at beginning of flower and once again about 4 weeks in.

Flo Grow said:
3) Can I run a 400w CMH in my 400w Lumitek Digital Ballast ?
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Scotty or someone else will have to answer this one, as I have no idea. I started to Google it and do some research, but I figured I can always learn from someone else.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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I'm certainly not Scotty but you asked five days ago, so I'm thinking your questions are fair game for anyone with good answers. :) Keep in mind Scotty used a 400 watt CMH bulb on his grow. That is 53,000 lumen and your bulb will provide only 16,000 lumen. Based on that alone and no other variables such as environment, temperature, nutrients, water quality, etc, mathematically, you are looking to yield about 35% of what Scotty did, if you run a perfect grow and have no real issues. that is the mathematical answer, I on the other hand wish you good luck!

oh, as far as checking ppm and ph, I check my ppms every morning when lights come on and top off water and add nutrients. I check PH rarely, as Flora Nova Bloom has great stabilizers and buffers. Very rarely does my PH swing. It is good to check it daily, but allow it to swing somewhat. phosphorus and Magnesium are available on the higher PH spectrum, where as Calcium and Manganese are on the lower end. If you keep adjust PH to same point, plant is going to miss out on some nutrients. I allow my PH to swing from 5.5 to 6.5. Scotty likes a range between 5.1 to 6.1. As for ppms, we allow the plant to dictate it's needs, as the requirements are ever changing throughout the plant's life cycles.

NWgrowerguy said:
Hey scotty,that grow was epicsauce on toast. +1 rep 2 u

I got inspired and just picked up an armoire for an indoor grow,It's dimensions are 30 in. wide x 20 in. deep x 40 in. high ,I've only got a $300 budget for my box so I pieced together a waterfarm setup with parts from my local hardware store instead of buying a kit and still needed to get a light so I got a 15 qt. and 27 qt. sterilite storage containers for my buckets and ordered a sun systems 150w HPS because I can't find a CMH to fit into my budget so I figured a 150w HPS is better than nothing right?

My questions for you are......Do you think I could expect the same results (give or take a few grams,lol) by following your ph/pps guidelines with lower headroom for my lamp with such a low wattage HPS?.....And how often should I check my ph/pps levels with a waterfarm system?

I also might add 2 maybe 3 CFL's to give it a boost
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hidelittleman

Member
Nice work Scotty, you def have me sold on using a waterfarm, especially as i can pick it up for £50; Absolute bargain.

I do have one question for you, and ive had a scan through and dont think ive seen anything about it, but how do you prep the seed for the waterfarm?
 
SCOTTYBALLS

SCOTTYBALLS

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SCOTTYBALLS

SCOTTYBALLS

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NWgrowerguy said:
Hey scotty,I'm really hoping you could help me out

I'm pretty much copying your waterfarm setup because it looked that badass and worked out so well for you,but I think I might have a problem,I think the buckets I picked to use are too big.

This is the link to my grow journal ( https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/410533-my-first-grow.html ) please take a quick look and tell me what you think about it.
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I just had a look at the pictures.. I would Use aluminum tape on the lower bucker to prevent algee growth... with a 150w hps I could get away with 16" of distance but your going to have to do alot of weaving probly a good 3 weeks into flower before I would stop or small dime size buds where present.. ofcourse this is strain dependent too.. I would not expect killer yeilds but 3-4 oz would be my goal for that setup..
 
shishkaboy

shishkaboy

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anyone know for a fact how long PE takes to be done cause 45-55 days. no way im at 56 now and not even 50% brown
 
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