Piercing With Sterilized Needle

GlassJoe

GlassJoe

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Hearing about people needling their plants or dumping ice water on them or throwing them in darkness for 3 days makes me glad I was never growing when this kind of misinformation was going around.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Decarloroberts96 said:
So still, a bunch of dickheads.
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One difficulty with finding people who have tried this is that confirmation bias is a massive problem for the sort of bro science believers who would try such a thing in the first place. You have an overwhelming probability of getting lied to by those whose ego exceeds their actual curiosity. So:

If you are genuinely interested in the effects of the mutilation you describe, do the experiment.

Use clones of a strain you’ve grown often enough so that you know and can describe the cultivar’s habit, behavior, potency and flavor profile.

Pierce 12 clones. Don’t pierce the other 12. Grow in the same space under a shared light. You need that number to get credible statistics.

Then compare the pierced plants for yield, effect, flavor.

Ideally set up a blind test where the cognoscenti you know try the smoke without your disclosing which sample group they’re from.

This is the bare minimum you will need to do to start in on the central question.

My gut tells me that high and flavor will be unchanged, and that you’ll pull a bit more off the plants you didn’t unnecessarily injure.


But I could be full of nonsense. Engage your inner researcher.
 
Decarloroberts96

Decarloroberts96

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cannabineer said:
One difficulty with finding people who have tried this is that confirmation bias is a massive problem for the sort of bro science believers who would try such a thing in the first place. You have an overwhelming probability of getting lied to by those whose ego exceeds their actual curiosity. So:

If you are genuinely interested in the effects of the mutilation you describe, do the experiment.

Use clones of a strain you’ve grown often enough so that you know and can describe the cultivar’s habit, behavior, potency and flavor profile.

Pierce 12 clones. Don’t pierce the other 12. Grow in the same space under a shared light. You need that number to get credible statistics.

Then compare the pierced plants for yield, effect, flavor.

Ideally set up a blind test where the cognoscenti you know try the smoke without your disclosing which sample group they’re from.

This is the bare minimum you will need to do to start in on the central question.

My gut tells me that high and flavor will be unchanged, and that you’ll pull a bit more off the plants you didn’t unnecessarily injure.


But I could be full of nonsense. Engage your inner researcher.
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Thank you for that, really. This crop has a week to go, and DEF not gonna intentionally mutilate them. I think im gonna pull 5 out of each strain when i flip these veggies. And try it out. I did this with the 2 day darkness before harvest and really didn't see a viable difference. The hairs were a bit more red IF anything. Whats the worse thats gonna happen?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Decarloroberts96 said:
Thank you for that, really. This crop has a week to go, and DEF not gonna intentionally mutilate them. I think im gonna pull 5 out of each strain when i flip these veggies. And try it out. I did this with the 2 day darkness before harvest and really didn't see a viable difference. The hairs were a bit more red IF anything. Whats the worse thats gonna happen?
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If you’re using one control plant and one test plant per strain/cultivar, your statistical analysis will be not-valid, and any results you publish cannot be used.

You cannot change the recipe and then complain that the recipe was bad. Reread my suggested course of action and choose many clones from one cultivar.
 
Decarloroberts96

Decarloroberts96

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cannabineer said:
If you’re using one control plant and one test plant per strain/cultivar, your statistical analysis will be not-valid, and any results you publish cannot be used.

You cannot change the recipe and then complain that the recipe was bad. Reread my suggested course of action and choose many clones from one cultivar.
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Sorry i worded that incorrectly, and didnt explain well. They will all be in the same environment, when i say to pull 5 of each , i shouldve said to tag and label them. Same lights, nutes, and Enviro
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Decarloroberts96 said:
Then i do have it misunderstood, im a bit lost
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You can grow one strain and have quite different phenotypes, making a viable comparison impossible. If you work with clones derived from a single plant, you have one phenotype.

It is a basic tenet of what scientists call a controlled experiment. I find that while the scientific method is simple and easy to understand, most don’t know what it really is.
 
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